in Crist I trust! And now I don't gotta make excuses. Charlie Crist is now a democrat!!!

[graham4anything]

62. OOPS, I shouldn't assume everyone is a Bobby Kennedy fan.

That explains it all.

Silly me to assume most people here were Bobby Kennedy, Teddy Kennedy, JFK, fans like myself

How gosh darn silly of me.
And one calls themself liberal?

I am sure the two people above, that you have an affinity for
(who are unknown in the sense that there is no voting record as they are brand new, and unknown in the sense that they have never been vetted nationally and you would not even know what position either of them would have taken on many issues at all.

Being that just about 100% of everyone voted for.(and see separate response for this).

I didn't realize one were talking a stale talking point vs. reality soundkabibble.

oops.

and I bet one don't realize that Bobby Kennedy wiretapped Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
oops epic fail here.

but then some people also forgot that President Lincoln(the singular best president of all time) was a republican.

And oops, guess you forgot that if the first candidate mentioned as a personal favorite in the post I am quoting, didn't have President Obama on his side, OOPS, she would still just be a teacher in Mass. She was in President Obama's TEAM and then that led to her Senate run.


Without President Obama and his team, GIVING her the opening, she would not even be a senator elect today, and if not for his coattails in his landslide election, the election was a nailbiter the entire way.(plus some badly campaiging done by Scott Brown toward the end cost him votes at just the time he needed them.)
There but for the Grace of Obama,and his team, is she senate-elect.

You might feel that is harsh statement, but politics is politics, and it takes a team to make a candidate. One doesn't snap their fingers like Barbara Eden in I dream of Jeannie (Rest in Peace Major Nelson), or crinkle their nose like Samantha in Bewitched did and become Senator or Congressman or later President. This is not a Frank Capra movie based on fantasy not dreams like Mr. Smith goes to Washington.
(or even the absurb notion of a show like Homeland, which thinks Brody would actually be able to be Vice President nominee without having a resume in politics.)

But the most amazing thing is, I myself truly, madly, deeply, love Bill Ayers.
But I am not naive enough to know that those outside of the mainstream, do NOT
have any chance of winning a general election.
We saw what happened with one issue candidates that were great people like George McGovern and Eugene McCarthy. They were not elected President.

George McGovern, Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, Angus King, Bill Ayers, Abbie Hoffman
are /were all great people.

But in 2016, on election day, Elizabeth Warren, like Charlie Crist, like Mike Bloomberg and like Barack Obama and Michelle Obama will be voting for Hillary Clinton45 for President.Along with Charlie Crist.

And if Charlie Crist is the pick Hillary makes for VP as they used to say on Laugh-In,
(a show I am sure as Elizabeth Warren is old enough to have been about 19 or 20 years old, when Laugh-In started in 1968 (she was born in 1949), You bet your sweep bippy she will be voting for Hillary45/Crist48 for President.

She is a team player, I would assume, no? (though I have no reason to assuredly say that, one would believe it to be true). If she is not a team player, she would not have wanted a job on Team Obama's team. Unless she is NOT a democratic candidate, in which case she would be a dreaded 3rd party and run against the democratic candidate in a Presidential election then she is a Team Democratic isn't she? She will then, to well, quote a title of a Woody Allen movie "Take the money and Run". I am sure she would not NOT take the money from the Democratic Party, and run. That would be naive to think.


Also, btw, tell me-what are her foreign affairs issues? Do you have any idea?
Being that she has no opinions whatsoever.

But please no high/mighty with me. Because Ms. Warren has NO position on those issues except that she stated (I will post this in a separate response to your response but let's just say without any effort whatsoever, I found one quick answer to reply to you )

As for a Mass/California ticket?
Pray tell, how one would get 270 electoral votes with a Mass/California ticket of two relative unknowns nationally, running against Jeb Bush, who would instantly portray it as the most liberal ticket of all time and with just about NO record of any type to take to America and make the case, they would instantly be defined by Jeb Bush and his operatives and it would be Mike Dukakis all over again. (and I love Mike Dukakis, but the Bush family destroyed him). Jeb would say it was far to the left of Mike Dukakis.

And to get elected, Elizabeth Warren would have to destroy and tear down Hillary Clinton, an American Icon, and one like Eleanor Roosevelt, that is considered one of the singular greatest Women in American history, thereby fracturing the party even worse than what happened in 1968 or 1980 or 2000.

I do wish Bill Ayers would run for office in Illinois (perhaps for the Jesse Jackson Jr. seat???)
I do love Bill Ayers.

but I myself would never suggest Bill Ayers, a distinguished Prof. from a liberal state, run for President. I myself am smart enough politically to know it wouldn't happen.
Tom Hayden only got so far himself. (and I truly deeply madly love Tom Hayden.
But not as a realistic presidential candidate in 2016 vs. Jeb Bush. Ain't gonna happen.

And, sigh, wish Abbie Hoffman were still here to fight for us, but he didn't hang in there.
I can picture Abbie leading OWS like he led us in the 60s. If only he stuck around a few more years.

And, sigh, on the day John Lennon was killed, Imagine John Lennon as President candidate.
But I know, he was born in the UK and not able to be President.

Had LBJ won 1968 though, meaning that RFK would still be here, and perhaps had Dr. King still been alive too, it is interesting to think that perhaps Dr. King, in 1972 or 1976, would have been the VP choice with Bobby Kennedy(who prior had wiretapped Dr. King as JFK's AG)
and it was a known fact that Dr. King
well, from wiki-

Politics

As the leader of the SCLC, King maintained a policy of not publicly endorsing a U.S. political party or candidate: "I feel someone must remain in the position of non-alignment, so that he can look objectively at both parties and be the conscience of both—not the servant or master of either."[31]

In a 1958 interview, he expressed his view that neither party was perfect, saying, "I don't think the Republican party is a party full of the almighty God nor is the Democratic party. They both have weaknesses ... And I'm not inextricably bound to either party."[32]

King critiqued both parties' performance on promoting racial equality:

Actually, the Negro has been betrayed by both the Republican and the Democratic party. The Democrats have betrayed him by capitulating to the whims and caprices of the Southern Dixiecrats. The Republicans have betrayed him by capitulating to the blatant hypocrisy of reactionary right wing northern Republicans. And this coalition of southern Dixiecrats and right wing reactionary northern Republicans defeats every bill and every move towards liberal legislation in the area of civil rights.[33]
Although King never publicly supported a political party or candidate for president, in a letter to a civil rights supporter in October 1956 he said that he was undecided as to whether he would vote for Adlai Stevenson or Dwight Eisenhower, but that "In the past I always voted the Democratic ticket."[34]

In his autobiography, King says that in 1960 he privately voted for Democratic candidate John F. Kennedy: "I felt that Kennedy would make the best president. I never came out with an endorsement. My father did, but I never made one." King adds that he likely would have made an exception to his non-endorsement policy in 1964, saying "Had President Kennedy lived, I would probably have endorsed him in 1964."[35]

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if Dr. Martin Luther King was smart enough to never speak in absolutes, I think, as he and President Obama are much smarter than me, I will agree with Dr. King

and in 2016, if/when Hillary Rodham Clinton is the nominee, Elizabeth Warren will 100% endorse and vote for Hillary Rodham Clinton as the 45th President of the United States of America.

With Hillary in the race, Ms.Warren will NOT be running in 2016.
She is not fool enough I would hope to fracture the party.Nor tear down the single most popular Woman in America (well, after Michelle Obama, but Michelle is not running in 2016).
Her fans do a disservice suggesting it.

IMHO only.And 100% politically speaking. Politics is a team sport. NOTHING gets built by itself. It takes a team to become a President.

(and thanks to the great community organizers in Chicago and the nation, President Obama became President Obama.
And the Hillary haters look to Hillary's past and see the wrong link.

The correct link is Saul Alinsky who, from Chicago, was one of the singular great community organizers from the left, and who in a direct link helped President Obama win the election.
He is a great man (read a bio on him if you don't believe me), and well, it takes a team to win.

And winning is the only thing. Because losing is nothing.
And 100% of nothing is still nothing. No matter how many ways one says otherwise.

(and look for different response shortly that is specific and short).
Don't want it to get lost in this big weighty response).

but I composed and found that info in mere seconds/minutes. Imagine if a team of Jeb Bush professionals were looking into things.
And every single piece of dirt on Hillary has been exposed ad naseum, and the people have digested and disgarded it. Making Hillary the one and only candidate talked about for 2016 to have been vetted nationally, giving her such a huge advantage it is immeasurable.
That cannot be said for any of the others.

IMHO of course.