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slightlv

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63. Sorry. Ended up long post, but I needed to get it off my chest. Please forgive me.
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 02:33 PM
Oct 13

My pregnancy was a surprise, and proof that not all birth control works the same for all women. I was on too low a dose, besides having screwed up internals, I guess. The pregnancy was hard, dangerous, and I decided halfway through it never again. That was a good decision, cause the OB-GYN told me after the birth not to plan to have anymore children. Totally advised against it.

My daughter, far from being the child/person one could love and cherish was the exact opposite. Have had her to various psychologists -and- psychiatrists throughout her life. She manipulates everyone, which is why the last of them told us to take her home, he could do nothing for her. This was a military psych; she was in Guam at the time with ex-husband. Her dad and I had tried to get together, and she through a hissy fit until we split up again. I moved us up to be closer to my family for help and support, enrolled her in the catholic school where Sis taught, and the first week she wrote on the walls of the hall, "Aunt Lori is a bitch"... and then tried to deny it. When sis asked her who else called her "aunt Lori" she knew she was caught and just clammed up. She ran away with a kid to another state when she was 18... had two marriages and a kid by each husband... before I ever saw her again. She was in an abusive relationship with the last one, wanted to leave but had nowhere to go... so Mom said, come on and bring the kids. By this time she had adopted a 3rd boy. So, into my 1800 sq foot house they all came, and I tried my best to make them feel loved and welcomed.

Somehow (with help from her dad) she managed to get a loan for a $286,000 house (smdh). While I didn't tell her I thought it was a bad deal (it was... too much for the area and too small for the price), I did caution her to take a critical eye to what she was doing. 3 weeks after moving into her new house, she met a guy here. Moved out of her house and in with him. My two grandsons lived in "her" house. Oldest grandson is on the mortgage with her, so she's stuck unless and until she realizes she can't do anything with it without permission and recompense to him.

She threw out the kid she'd adopted when he hit 18. Ok... he was a shit... but I don't think he'd ever really gotten a chance to shine. My two grandsons got into a knock down/drag out, and she called the cops on my oldest grandson and had him put in jail. Took his car; --told-- him what she was going to do to "their" house... and basically threw him away. He's a damned good kid and I'm so proud of him, I'm busting buttons. But she calls or texts him just often enough to have that depressive effect on him. She won't have a thing to do with me. The youngest grandson ended up here one night in tears. He and the boyfriend got into an argument and they had blows. I told him he was welcome here anytime. My daughter is a narcissistic control freak, and the kids are paying for it. I am, too, in a way... because I refuse to be manipulated or controlled by her (or my mother, for that fact!) any longer. Besides, I adore having my grandson here. He keeps me feeling a little younger, he helps me out around the house, and I just have to get used to living in a "sears and roebuck catalog" house (LOL).

If I had it to do over again, I probably would have had an abortion. The pregnancy was that hard on my body, physically and chemically, it screwed the kid up in utero. She was 3lbs at birth; intrauterine growth retarded; and (I'm convinced) emotionally stunted for life. She messes up her own life, has tried to mess up mine, and -has- messed up 3 kids lives. THAT birth should never have happened, and it was only the family pressure (both immediate and extended) and "romance" thoughts of being a mother that made me continue. But the romance of the thought of pregnancy and birth doesn't jive with reality; nor with 18 years of sheer terror living with her, nor a lifetime wondering what she's gonna do next.

I applaud and support any woman who knows absolutely she doesn't want kids. I had my tubes tied as soon after giving birth as a I could. I wish they'd done it when they delivered by caesarian... but tho I was told "no more" I was too young to know I wanted "no more" (how dumb is THAT logic!). Thankfully, birth control never failed me again. There are a LOT of good reasons to not want kids. Not all of them are external, like some of the ones Xana wrote about. Some women just aren't good mother material. We're made for other things, and give our love to others in different ways. Not to mention what we can bring to the world with our art and creativity and business acumen.

There are women who ARE what I call "natural Earth Mother" types. They could have as many kids as I have critters, and be completely overjoyed. More power to them! CHOICE!! Just keep the crying, screaming kid out of my earshot, please!!!! What works for one doesn't work for another, and I'm saying trying to force, coerce, or urge one option on everyone is a recipe for a lifetime of pain, disaster, lost dreams, and tears for everyone but the controller. They sneak away grinning.

Do I resent my daughter? No... I still love her dearly, and will be there to help her out when she realizes this guy is just like the others. She'll marry him, no doubt, and a month after that want a divorce (smdh again). But I have long since given her permission to live her life as she wants... and I live mine. Besides, with a hubby 72 and subject to scams and malware, I have my hands full. And, for the first time in my life, kid or not, I actually feel needed - by both my husband and my grandson. THAT is a good feeling, and has given me a reason to do more than just wait for the end of my life to happen now that I'm retired.

I never wanted kids [View all] XanaDUer2 Oct 13 OP
Very sound reasoning Mossfern Oct 13 #1
I saw employees w kids struggling XanaDUer2 Oct 13 #2
So you saw some families too poor to have children? It was "Not worth it"? That your decision for the Wonder Why Oct 13 #17
If someone wants kids, they're free to make XanaDUer2 Oct 13 #27
Time to walk the walk.... raising2moredems Oct 13 #110
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Oct 13 #11
Yes it is, and its killing the planet Evolve Dammit Oct 13 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Oct 13 #23
Arable land per head of population canetoad Oct 13 #77
Arable land Cirsium Oct 13 #91
Yeah, you ARE wrong. Sky Jewels Oct 13 #84
Her comment was actually that she supported 3 of her 4 children's decision not to have children Jmb 4 Harris-Walz Oct 13 #16
Thank you Mossfern Oct 13 #61
It was perfectly clear. I had no trouble understanding it. niyad Oct 13 #104
It absolutely is. Jirel Oct 13 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Oct 13 #24
Aw, you can't even argue the point. Jirel Oct 13 #35
I agree biophile Oct 13 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Oct 13 #89
You are allowed your opinion biophile Oct 13 #39
It is not that Cirsium Oct 13 #54
I see the truth in that biophile Oct 13 #74
Thanks n/t Cirsium Oct 13 #83
"We are living in a time when a highly destructive economic system dominates everything." OldBaldy1701E Oct 13 #80
Thank you for your post. Collimator Oct 13 #86
We are indeed overpopulated Envirogal Oct 13 #103
Thanks Cirsium Oct 14 #114
you sound like a bot 4catsmom Oct 13 #82
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Oct 13 #90
Most of the damage Cirsium Oct 13 #37
True biophile Oct 13 #41
Population is what leads to all you mentioned. Envirogal Oct 14 #115
Excellent points Cirsium Oct 14 #120
You cannot point to any social problem bluescribbler Oct 13 #46
Women's rights Cirsium Oct 13 #85
I am NOT tellilng my kids not to have children Mossfern Oct 13 #58
Just a terrible response krkaufman Oct 13 #72
Of course the planet is overpopulated. Sky Jewels Oct 13 #81
I just think things are getting too dangerous and ugly. kerry-is-my-prez Oct 13 #48
I've never for even one moment moreland01 Oct 13 #87
I never wanted children either. FalloutShelter Oct 13 #3
I was also the one not intested in holding the baby XanaDUer2 Oct 13 #5
Same FalloutShelter Oct 13 #6
The smell of baby powder XanaDUer2 Oct 13 #8
My sisters and my mom understood I_UndergroundPanther Oct 13 #67
And that's your right XanaDUer2 Oct 13 #68
You are so right! Mossfern Oct 13 #7
So glad your mothering experience has FalloutShelter Oct 13 #20
I can relate! birdographer Oct 13 #15
Same here. Somebody shows up with a baby, the best I can do Ocelot II Oct 13 #34
Show up with a baby I_UndergroundPanther Oct 13 #70
I have had to quietly leave the room in those circumstances. Demobrat Oct 13 #75
Somebody has to care for the animals! moreland01 Oct 13 #88
Yep - I was the same. "Do not ask me to hold the baby" was what I'd think. kerry-is-my-prez Oct 13 #51
Were you able to pursue your artitic goals? electric_blue68 Oct 13 #94
Yes, I have.... FalloutShelter Oct 13 #98
YW👍 Wow, that's great! ... electric_blue68 Oct 14 #116
I love babies. Just never wanted any of my own. Iris Oct 13 #111
I always wanted kids & to be an artist womanofthehills Oct 14 #113
Every woman has the right to make her own decisions. Diamond_Dog Oct 13 #4
A VERY SPECIAL kind of POS. calimary Oct 13 #18
Can't blame you one bit. I had none (purposefully) for the same reasons! n/t CousinIT Oct 13 #9
It's grossly sexist that Vance and Republicans think Quiet Em Oct 13 #10
It's your freedom to decide - the government shouldn't have any control over our reproductive systems...NONE. Told iluvtennis Oct 13 #13
Absolutely XanaDUer2 Oct 13 #28
I have to ask KT2000 Oct 13 #14
Because he wants to have cheap and uneducated manpower for corporations manpower. Take away good Jmb 4 Harris-Walz Oct 13 #22
I wonder if he saw the new series on the Menendez brothers... birdographer Oct 13 #19
I'm a childless dog lady 😂 Jmb 4 Harris-Walz Oct 13 #29
These superstorms and raging fires XanaDUer2 Oct 13 #33
Just for clarity misanthrope Oct 13 #105
Churches have convinced some women that TBF Oct 13 #25
I never wanted kids either. In fact, I most vehemently Demobrat Oct 13 #26
I like your name Demobrat! nt Jmb 4 Harris-Walz Oct 13 #30
Id be given babydolls as a very young child XanaDUer2 Oct 13 #36
I was given a babydoll once. Demobrat Oct 13 #49
Lolol! XanaDUer2 Oct 13 #50
Are you my daughter? Mossfern Oct 13 #65
I'm the oldest of four. The first time I remember Demobrat Oct 13 #66
Different daughter Mossfern Oct 13 #69
Agree. Jirel Oct 13 #31
I don't think you should knock motherhood as being uninteresting. LisaM Oct 13 #95
nothing more interesting to do? that's just ugly NoRethugFriends Oct 13 #107
What woman votes for vermin like him and Trump? piddyprints Oct 13 #32
Like I said, coworkers XanaDUer2 Oct 13 #38
I love kids but having my own was never a priority. Siwsan Oct 13 #42
I knew I could not handle working XanaDUer2 Oct 13 #43
Married 54 years this week. Two daughters who I des ribe as the best thing.... EarnestPutz Oct 13 #44
Kids are annoying I_UndergroundPanther Oct 13 #45
Looking at active 55-plus condos XanaDUer2 Oct 13 #47
I can't stand the screeching either. Demobrat Oct 13 #56
Wow. Such anti children sentiment in this stream. NoRethugFriends Oct 13 #52
I agree. It seems like some of the people who didn't have children have a sense of moral superiority about it. llmart Oct 13 #60
Don't feel morally superior I_UndergroundPanther Oct 22 #122
Just being honest I_UndergroundPanther Oct 22 #121
here's a really good discussion with a woman who got off the maga train barbtries Oct 13 #53
Ty nt XanaDUer2 Oct 13 #55
We never had 'em, never wanted them. 634-5789 Oct 13 #57
Lol XanaDUer2 Oct 13 #59
I never thought I was responsible enough to have kids. And I was right. Iggo Oct 13 #62
Sorry. Ended up long post, but I needed to get it off my chest. Please forgive me. slightlv Oct 13 #63
Ty for sharing XanaDUer2 Oct 13 #64
I have a sister like your daughter. Demobrat Oct 13 #78
Love your last sentence! (LOL) slightlv Oct 13 #97
I think I_UndergroundPanther Oct 22 #123
I tend to agree to at least a genetic predisposition. slightlv Oct 22 #124
the pressure for people to have kids very much contributes to abuse Skittles Oct 13 #71
I'm my 20s XanaDUer2 Oct 13 #73
Me too. He was wrong. I didn't. Demobrat Oct 13 #76
Everyone will view this question through their own life's lens. DFW Oct 13 #79
When I was around 4 yrs 7ish wks old; I knew... electric_blue68 Oct 13 #92
Circa 72 XanaDUer2 Oct 13 #93
My sis wasn't screaming. Maaaybe a brief look, really not sure...but, ugh, the smell! electric_blue68 Oct 13 #96
What woman votes for Trump? One who hates people of color more than she loves herself. SunSeeker Oct 13 #99
Me neither for about the same reasons. I also lack tolerance of people slow to sinkingfeeling Oct 13 #100
I'm not the only one in my family without children. no_hypocrisy Oct 13 #101
Same. Have them if you want, but it was never a high priority to me. D23MIURG23 Oct 13 #102
The same here, both for the population and wage slave reasons, but also niyad Oct 13 #106
Hear, hear. peppertree Oct 13 #108
I dont know Figarosmom Oct 13 #109
Didn't even have choice in the matter. Xolodno Oct 13 #112
Religious fanatics who seem to be so insecure of their own agency they need a cult figure with a "Bible" msfiddlestix Oct 14 #117
Strong supporter of women's rights to have or not have children! Clouds Passing Oct 14 #118
OMG DU is full of childless catladies! jfz9580m Oct 14 #119
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