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MineralMan

(148,249 posts) Sun Nov 17, 2024, 02:54 PM Nov 17

The Following Types of Statements Are Not Information, Nor Facts [View all]

"We feel certain that there has been hacking or corruption of ballots." - Feeling something is not information.

"There is no way that Trump won all of the swing states." Again, that is not information. It is a belief based on incredulity. Incredulity is not evidence.

"Trump must have cheated to have won." That is also not information. It is supposition, based on a dislike of the apparent results.

"There were over 600,000 'bullet ballots." Show them to everyone. Otherwise, that statement is just a claim of something else which has no evidence.

Find real evidence or stop claiming it exists. Demonstrate the truth of those statements and THEN call for recounts and investigations. Every state has a process for recounting election results. Start there. Find the evidence; don't just claim there must be evidence. Evidence either exists or it does not.

Trump made the same claims in 2020. He took is "evidence" to 61 federal court cases, where they were found not to be evidence at all. 60 of those cases were simply thrown out of court. Trump lost, fairly and squarely.

If we're going to use the same techniques Trump used, we are going to get the same results he got.

If there was election misconduct, we need to present EVIDENCE of that conduct, not our belief that it occurred. Otherwise, we're simply wasting our time.

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The Following Types of Statements Are Not Information, Nor Facts [View all] MineralMan Nov 17 OP

Agree! Or we could just lie shamelessly and repeatedly and make stuff up. surfered Nov 17 #1

Why is it easier to believe ibegurpard Nov 17 #2

I find it pretty easy to believe that a convicted felon... Think. Again. Nov 17 #4

Thinking that the elections officials in all those states were all in on it is a tough idea to swallow. Fish700 Nov 17 #5

Yeah, I agree, why would you think they are? Think. Again. Nov 17 #10

And the DNC, SCantiGOP Nov 17 #46

Yep, hard to believe he and the rethugs would suddenly stop cheating. We all know trump has cheated all his life... brush Nov 17 #11

And republicans have been known to cheat in elections PatSeg Nov 17 #27

Well said. Think. Again. Nov 17 #31

Yeah, it's so ridiculous to believe... bikes and bunnies Nov 17 #33

And yet he failed miserably in 2020 SCantiGOP Nov 17 #47

Because the results of this election Mike 03 Nov 17 #9

Any hard evidence can only be "discovered" through recounts, a catch 22? Think. Again. Nov 17 #3

There are post-election audits going on in many states, including Minnesota. MineralMan Nov 17 #7

Yes, I just did a post on audits... Think. Again. Nov 17 #12

May not be factional or informational, but they are opinionated. republianmushroom Nov 17 #6

I'm not sure what "factional" or "pinioned" means in your sentence. MineralMan Nov 17 #8

Thank you, yes, my error, see my correction to "pinioned" in posting. republianmushroom Nov 17 #13

Yes. That is what I was asking. MineralMan Nov 17 #14

Then you don't need to respond to me, if, all you want is facts. republianmushroom Nov 17 #17

You are replying in my thread, which is why I'm responding to you. MineralMan Nov 17 #18

Okay, except for this: intheflow Nov 17 #15

But, by what means did he cheat? MineralMan Nov 17 #19

No. intheflow Nov 18 #55

Gerrymandering and micro-targeted misinformation/nt dickthegrouch Nov 18 #56

Recounts could uncover evidence which won't be found without recounts. bucolic_frolic Nov 17 #16

There are recounts going on right now in a number of states. MineralMan Nov 17 #20

Unfortunately those audits and recounts are only concerned with "close margins"... Think. Again. Nov 17 #34

What evidence is there of those? MineralMan Nov 17 #36

Evidence that won't and can't be found without audits and recounts that look for it. Think. Again. Nov 17 #41

Except there are audits EdmondDantes_ Nov 17 #21

"Trump made the same claims in 2020" and what happened 4 years later, HE WON. Anger drives turnout. Let them believe it krawhitham Nov 17 #22

Record turn out in 2020. czarjak Nov 17 #23

Why is it weird? ibegurpard Nov 17 #24

Why do you think it's weird that we fell short of the all-time record? Iggo Nov 17 #25

People on this website MUST present evidence? dpibel Nov 17 #26

The writer of at least some of those statements was calling for a recount of paper ballots in the swing states, pnwmom Nov 17 #28

This message was self-deleted by its author Wiz Imp Nov 17 #49

After reading the letter at the link SickOfTheOnePct Nov 17 #50

+1000 nt WarGamer Nov 17 #29

forward voteragain Nov 17 #30

The reason trump Figarosmom Nov 17 #32

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 17 #35

Trump DID cheat in 2020 Blue_Tires Nov 17 #37

Republicans would cheat again and they know they'll get away with it dflprincess Nov 17 #42

Agreed... Blue_Tires Nov 17 #43

He told us he didn't need any more votes before Election Day. Hope22 Nov 17 #45

No one is saying he wouldn't cheat, that is spun out the air. TheKentuckian Nov 17 #54

Thank you, thank you, thank you Hekate Nov 17 #38

Voter suppression crud Nov 17 #39

Challenging voter registrations 90-percent Nov 17 #44

we should never doubt the stupidity of the ameriKan voter, no other excuse needed. nt yaesu Nov 17 #40

I would add that people should moniss Nov 17 #48

Here's a fact oldtime dfl_er Nov 17 #51

Evidence is obtained by investigation, not by presuming all is as it should be. Hermit-The-Prog Nov 17 #52

How is ForgedCrank Nov 17 #53