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andym

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16. The polling disregarded most was Joe's favorability hovering around and under 40% since Nov 2021
Sat Nov 23, 2024, 01:56 PM
Nov 23

He basically got blamed for the price increases, especially on food and housing that were the after effects of Covid. The Fed's actions to raise interest rates to quash inflation made life difficult for those holding CC debt. These economic conditions made life difficult for many and others who could bear them were not happy about paying more. Historically, these conditions are very bad for the President or party in power: Jimmy Carter (1980) and George HW Bush (1992-2nd term election) come to mind-- Clinton beat Bush with "I feel your (economic) pain." The actual health of the economy mattered less.

Given that Joe was getting the blame for the cost-of-living and both prices and interest rates were lower under Trump, Democrats had their work cut out for them. Joe probably could not have won even if he had performed better in the debate because of his favorability. Whoever got the nomination would have had to carve out a vision/economic policies that made them the "change" candidate. Unfortunately it is very difficult for a sitting VP to do that, so Kamala would have had to propose really bold if not controversial policies (no matter that they might not get implemented), but that is not what happened.

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My wife says True Dough Nov 23 #1
But the polls weren't correct... Think. Again. Nov 23 #2
No, Trump did not win by a large margin. yardwork Nov 23 #10
Hmmm, just enough to not trigger recounts but within a "reasonable" margin. Think. Again. Nov 23 #15
Yes. yardwork Nov 23 #17
I knew it would be razor thin either way. underpants Nov 23 #3
There was a lot of self-censorship on here as well dalton99a Nov 23 #4
Strategies? Septua Nov 23 #5
+1. Obama was elected twice. dalton99a Nov 23 #12
Harris is only 1.5 million votes behind Trump as of right now. Elessar Zappa Nov 23 #19
It's really difficult DeepWinter Nov 23 #6
I disagree that "as we expand out, we lose people." yardwork Nov 23 #8
I thought the polls were accurate, but I was over optimistic. yardwork Nov 23 #7
Before the election, I didn't believe Progressive dog Nov 23 #9
And they lie. They lie to friends and family, and they lie to pollsters dalton99a Nov 23 #11
In two "prediction" threads I had Trump winning with 292 EVs Prairie Gates Nov 23 #13
after changes upon changes, we are more or less the same Jersey Devil Nov 23 #14
The polling disregarded most was Joe's favorability hovering around and under 40% since Nov 2021 andym Nov 23 #16
Yup. Elessar Zappa Nov 23 #18
Yes, we get it already... Blue_Tires Nov 23 #20
Well, I've personally come to no conclusion about why MineralMan Nov 23 #21
I know why... Blue_Tires Nov 23 #22
Well, that's the difference between you and me, I guess. MineralMan Nov 23 #23
Since black voters got screwed the hardest Blue_Tires Nov 23 #24
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