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Victor_c3

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26. I blame a lot of it on the general misconception that a lot of Americans have about war
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:53 AM
Dec 2012

Most people aren't aware of or don't care about what really goes on in the wars in the Middle East. Mass media repeats over and over again terms like "surgical strike" and they glaze over civilian casualties. The government doesn't keep track of or report the full extent of civilian casualties and Americans go on believing that those deaths are minimal to nonexistent. Terms like "collateral damage" are used when discussing dead boys, girls, women, and men who are killed during an errant drone strike and it further sterilizes our actions and makes them palatable to Americans.

Much of America grows up playing war related video games and watching movies that doesn't capture the full nastiness of war which further makes war a more palatable action. You shoot and kill someone on the game, the pile of pixels falls off the screen, and you don't see the end result and you grow numb to the experience.

The flag waiving veterans that you do see are mostly veterans who haven't actually participated first hand in combat. Those veterans seem to preach or suggest that there is glory to be had in war and that combat is a patriotic function. Meanwhile, combat veterans who are broken by the war and their experiences remain quiet, battling their demons in silence. Americans who don't know better mistaken this silence for a withheld story of valor or heroism an believe, wrongly, that this silent veteran is just humble and modest. At least in my case, much of my actions in the war left me with feelings of shame and guilt.

In a semi-anonymous forum like this I let a lot of my thoughts and emotions run freely, but aside from the Doctor's at the VA, nobody I actually talk to know much about what I did when I was in Iraq. Nobody that I interact with regularly has any idea of the full nastiness of war and ugly it can be or what I did. And I do realize that my silence is feeding the American misconception on war. I've posted one of my combat award certificates on this forum before, but I've never shown anyone that I really know some of those details about myself.

I do realize that much of my opinions on war are contradictory. I'm not proud of what I did, yet I make sure everyone knows that I'm a veteran. I sport an avatar on this forum for a Bronze Star Medal and I proclaim that I served as an Infantry Platoon Leader in my signature yet I'm ashamed of what that actually entailed.

I kind of lost the point that I wanted to make with this post, but I spent too much time writing it to just trash it. The two things that I wanted to try to work into this was:

1) In the 20th century, for every 1 Soldier killed in war approximately 10 civilians were killed. This number was compiled by the red cross.

2) It is estimated that between 100,000 and 1,000,000 Iraqi civilians were killed in the war. The number is so vague because the DOD doesn't bother to keep track of this number itself. How many people are aware of that?

War is a criminal action. The politicians who wage it need to be held accountable for it. However, as a society, we all need to take responsibility for it as well. The American people step back and allow our politicians to wage these wars. How many protest have you seen demanding a stop to the wars in Iraq or Afghanistan? I do realize that I'm just as much of the problem as anyone else is (if not more so because of my silence regarding what I saw and did in war myself). I need to get more active and I need to demand accountability for our politicians actions in starting these wars.

Why Hagel over someone like General Wes Clark [View all] Horse with no Name Dec 2012 OP
because Obama is closer to Hagel than Clark , Clark would be in consideration when Hillary is JI7 Dec 2012 #1
Hillary would not consider Clark. She is miles apart from him on Foreign Policy. She supported the sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #5
Clark supported Hillary for President in the Primary , they are very close JI7 Dec 2012 #6
I doubt it. A lot of people have been loyal to the Clintons and have not always had the favor sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #11
when Hillary becomes President watch Clark end up in the administration JI7 Dec 2012 #19
Clark is close to the Clintons. nt bluestate10 Dec 2012 #17
Clark led the first PNAC war green for victory Dec 2012 #24
Thanks. I think that war flew under the radar of many Democrats, another sign that if it's our team sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #39
I do care about the continuation of President Obama, and winning in 2016 graham4anything Dec 2012 #28
if. the republicans want hagel, you can bet they'll get him spanone Dec 2012 #2
Why? RobertEarl Dec 2012 #3
Why not? ForgoTheConsequence Dec 2012 #4
Did he support Bush's wars? I don't remember him speaking out against them. We elected Democrats sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #7
Here you go grantcart Dec 2012 #13
Thank you. I do remember him as one of the few Republicans who spoke out against the Bush sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #41
Initially he did, like a lot of Democrats. ForgoTheConsequence Dec 2012 #15
So basically he supported the illegal invasion, but didn't support the strategy after he saw how it sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #20
Yes he got one of the biggest decisions Politicians had to make at that time, wrong as did all those sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #21
I blame a lot of it on the general misconception that a lot of Americans have about war Victor_c3 Dec 2012 #26
I am very glad you did not thrash this excellent post. sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #40
Even on this forum anti-war talk seems to get lost in the general discussion Victor_c3 Dec 2012 #27
Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts Fumesucker Dec 2012 #30
I never knew too much of this guy Victor_c3 Dec 2012 #25
please do NOT use we. and I am not part of the WE here. Hillary45 to continue Obama's policies graham4anything Dec 2012 #29
Don't include me on any team that thinks we need to go around the world killing people. We need a sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #35
Eliz. Warren herself said nothing off the table in Iran, so not quite sure what you are getting at graham4anything Dec 2012 #38
Did Iraqis kill those people on 9/11 or Afghans, most of whom had never heard of 9/11 according to sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #42
Afghanastan was unanymous. Only CTers don't believe 9-11 happened. But graham4anything Dec 2012 #44
Mrs. Hagel also supported President Obama's re-election. BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #8
I love your sig-pic. That looks like my cream Chow when she was pup! BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #9
Did I miss Hagel calling for Bush's impeachment? MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #12
He did say this about Bush. ForgoTheConsequence Dec 2012 #18
The next Secretary of Defense has only one function grantcart Dec 2012 #10
An interesting take that I had not considered....Makes me feel a bit better about the possibility of Rowdyboy Dec 2012 #14
Agreed. n/t Horse with no Name Dec 2012 #16
Interesting take on things quakerboy Dec 2012 #22
Potential Obama nominee favors massive defense reductions grantcart Dec 2012 #34
I say Clark for any position he is willing to except. nt Grey Dec 2012 #23
This is a wise move on Obama's part! vi5 Dec 2012 #31
Huh? it has NOTHING to do with Patriotism Iggy Dec 2012 #32
What's the deal with this repetitive pushing of Clark? Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #33
Umm...his entire mililtary career perhaps? truebrit71 Dec 2012 #36
Hmmm. Not much of a record to recommend him for a cabinet post. Colin Powell is retired. Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #43
There is nothing wrong with Hagel in this position. mmonk Dec 2012 #37
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