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Emrys

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39. I'll split another one, then:

Reply to paleotn (Reply #37)

Fri Dec 6, 2024, 07:30 PM

Dec 6

In the 1973 Yom Kippur War, Arab forces were overwhelming Israeli forces and Prime Minister Golda Meir authorized a nuclear alert and ordered 13 atomic bombs be readied for use by missiles and aircraft.

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30 yrs ago today: Ukraine disarmed itself voluntarily in exchange for security assurances from US, Britain and Russia [View all] Dennis Donovan Dec 5 OP

None of this would have happened Evolve Dammit Dec 5 #1

One of the worst blunders of the moniss Dec 5 #2

The worst blunders came afterwards Emrys Dec 5 #7

I disagree that the parties were ever going to go to the mat for moniss Dec 5 #10

Apart from anything else, Russia held the launch codes for the missiles Emrys Dec 6 #13

It's not about launching them as much as moniss Dec 6 #14

I can't believe you're seriously suggesting this, twice now Emrys Dec 6 #15

Your response sounds childish and hopelessly naive. moniss Dec 6 #17

The threat would have set up Ukraine for military intervention PDQ to prevent it spreading nuclear materials and weapons Emrys Dec 6 #18

You position would make any country a pushover in international negotiations.nt moniss Dec 6 #22

Your position would see nuclear materials and weapons in the hands of even bigger crooks and bastards - Emrys Dec 6 #26

It would be foolish to claim that countries that have bargained over moniss Dec 6 #28

What would really be foolish is to imagine that Ukraine's position was strong enough at the time to attempt such a ploy. Emrys Dec 6 #31

Only a poor negotiator could come away moniss Dec 6 #38

We may be a bout to see the theft of our assets, so I hope MadameButterfly Dec 6 #11

This may be the end of the non-proliferation treaty. Crunchy Frog Dec 5 #3

And 10 years ago... druidity33 Dec 5 #4

While the leaders signed the documents they crossed their fingers behind their backs. Jacson6 Dec 5 #5

Putin has vowed to annihilate Ukrainians and their country. sinkingfeeling Dec 5 #6

That's quite noble but if you mind if I ask Jspur Dec 6 #20

No, but he had an Ukrainian girlfriend we helped to leave after Putin invaded. sinkingfeeling Dec 6 #23

I wish Biden would push through NATO membership for Ukraine MadameButterfly Dec 6 #12

He can't DetroitLegalBeagle Dec 6 #34

Thanks to the Nunn-Lugar Act, and Ash Carter. The Budapest Memorandum meant that... FailureToCommunicate Dec 5 #8

It was a mistake. Passages Dec 5 #9

Misleading. WarGamer Dec 6 #16

SOVIET nukes ck4829 Dec 6 #24

yes WarGamer Dec 6 #25

They shouldn't have Meowmee Dec 6 #19

Turns out those were empty promises Bettie Dec 6 #21

Blunder or pay-off? OAITW r.2.0 Dec 6 #27

A nuclear armed nation has never been invaded. Never. paleotn Dec 6 #29

Well, Ukraine invaded a chunk of Russia earlier this year Emrys Dec 6 #32

You don't get my meaning. That sliver of land in the Kursk oblast isn't existential to the Russian regime's existence. paleotn Dec 6 #33

OK, let's not get into hairsplitting, but I was responding to "invaded". Emrys Dec 6 #36

You're splitting hairs. paleotn Dec 6 #37

I'll split another one, then: Emrys Dec 6 #39

Let's take this at face value. Newly independant Ukraine was promised security by the Russians and by us. MMBeilis Dec 6 #30

I remember saying at the time they would regret it JCMach1 Dec 6 #35