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49. How about using a sample of paper ballots to test validity

Mon Jan 20, 2025, 04:57 PM

Jan 20

of the machine counts? I know the results need to be close to trigger an automatic recount, but is there something that either causes or rules out using the sampling method? I thought this was the main reason for paper ballots (other than hand-counting if necessary).

The ballot design in Florida was clearly a mess, and the whole state ought to have been recounted. The 2004 election didn't use paper in key states and precincts, which iirc created some strange anomalies (voter registrations and demographics vs. results) as well as contradictory exit polling - but again, scattered only in certain states, districts, and precincts (just enough to matter), and no way to validate the tabulators.

So I was glad to see the return to paper ballots and optical scanning. Unfortunately, there's still the Electoral College and loud liars in echo chambers. I'm not sure whether polling was way off (it really wasn't in 2016) or whether something didn't work this time. What do you think?

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How about using a sample of paper ballots to test validity Sparkly Jan 20 #49

hand marked ballots, not computer marked lapfog_1 Jan 20 #52

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