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intrepidity

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9. Gah what does this part mean?

Thu Jan 23, 2025, 02:58 PM

Jan 23

Here we go again down the rabbit hole of parsing words and phrases that previously never merited such scrutiny. This mf'er is just so exhausting.

The 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution codified birthright citizenship in 1868. It begins: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”

The executive order focuses on the “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” phrase.

“The Fourteenth Amendment has never been interpreted to extend citizenship universally to everyone born within the United States,” Trump’s order reads. “The Fourteenth Amendment has always excluded from birthright citizenship persons who were born in the United States but not ‘subject to the jurisdiction thereof.’”

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Breaking Birthright Citizenship order blocked by Judge [View all] malaise Jan 23 OP

Good news, but any deets? nt Wounded Bear Jan 23 #1

Here malaise Jan 23 #2

Thanks. I never doubt your veracity myself, but the board has standards... Wounded Bear Jan 23 #3

The link was 8 minutes old malaise Jan 23 #4

Nice to see my home state is on the front line of this one... Wounded Bear Jan 23 #5

Isn't that Ari's home state as well? malaise Jan 23 #6

Ari Melber? Never heard that, but I don't follow celebrity bios much...nt Wounded Bear Jan 23 #7

Yep malaise Jan 23 #8

Here's why I discovered that malaise Jan 23 #29

off topic- Jimi Hendrix statue Seattle. spike jones Jan 23 #46

Seriously sweet malaise Jan 23 #47

Gah what does this part mean? intrepidity Jan 23 #9

Current interpretations and precedents say... Wounded Bear Jan 23 #14

Agreed - illegal aliens are certainly subject to the jurisdiction of the US - they don't enjoy diplomatic immunity - Midwestern Democrat Jan 24 #78

I agree with the judge, I can't believe a member of the bar made that argument. SunSeeker Jan 23 #23

The judge laughed that out of the court malaise Jan 23 #28

Yep. Kingofalldems Jan 23 #10

Sanction that attorney. TheBlackAdder Jan 23 #36

Yes, but Trump will appeal. This could go all the way to SCOTUS. LeftInTX Jan 23 #11

Every now and then SCOTUS actually does the right thing. Frank D. Lincoln Jan 23 #18

I know what Clarence and Alito will do! LeftInTX Jan 23 #20

I sure hope you're right, LeftInTX. nt Frank D. Lincoln Jan 23 #25

Goodness we wouldn't have to worry about this Dem4life1234 Jan 23 #54

So if orangeanus succeeds would they take away citizenship from said persons??? sdfernando Jan 23 #64

Of course Trump will appeal. ShazzieB Jan 23 #40

The SCOTUS will NOT back Trump on this. Wiz Imp Jan 23 #49

Without corrupt lawyers, they'd be no Trump. C_U_L8R Jan 23 #12

All federal judges should be objecting to this awful E.O. regardless of politics FakeNoose Jan 23 #13

I have difficulty understanding how a member of the bar could state unequivocally that is a constitutional order," Ray Bruns Jan 23 #15

Excellent, and I really like "Donvict"! pandr32 Jan 23 #16

Stole it from another DUer malaise Jan 23 #48

It deserves use! pandr32 Jan 23 #56

Wow! Thanks for posting this. nt spooky3 Jan 23 #17

YW! malaise Jan 23 #32

Meirda47 administration's attorney will be fired for not making a strong enough argument ... aggiesal Jan 23 #19

Dear Judge, meet 'President' Blatantly Unconstitutional. spanone Jan 23 #21

Trump's order was made knowing that it would be blocked by the courts. totodeinhere Jan 23 #22

Everyone here understands this is going to SCOTUS. Spare us the condescension. SunSeeker Jan 23 #26

I dare the SC judge who adopted two children from Ireland to declare birthright citizenship malaise Jan 23 #33

I don't think that even this SCOTUS will find that order constitutional. totodeinhere Jan 23 #58

it's also theater for the sick cult Skittles Jan 24 #76

Yes. And many members of his cult are so stupid that they totodeinhere Jan 24 #80

Department of Justice *GAG* Usually, I have an impulse of respect when I think of the Department of Justice - not now. NBachers Jan 23 #24

We are all cilla4progress Jan 23 #27

Way to go, U.S. District Court Judge John Coughenour! Well done, and quickly too. nt CaliforniaPeggy Jan 23 #30

id like to see the lawyers arguing for the order disbarred moonshinegnomie Jan 23 #31

THIS malaise Jan 23 #34

KICK Hekate Jan 23 #35

He attacked the judge malaise Jan 23 #39

The bill that has been proposed VMA131Marine Jan 23 #37

Not entirely true FBaggins Jan 23 #52

Thank you malaise Jan 23 #59

Well, except ... VMA131Marine Jan 23 #60

Not really - he was born almost a decade before the Chinese Exclusion Act FBaggins Jan 23 #68

Sigh ... VMA131Marine Jan 23 #69

Diplomatic Corp DallasNE Jan 24 #79

That's why I said the exceptions to "under the jurisdiction" VMA131Marine Jan 24 #81

Seriously? Courts have to duke out the jurisdiction of "All persons born..."? ancianita Jan 23 #74

Post removed Post removed Jan 24 #75

Bravo, Judge Coughenour 👍! Daleuhlmann Jan 23 #38

Tell Donvict malaise Jan 23 #41

Well, the donald might not care. calimary Jan 23 #63

Damn, someone still believes in the constitution. republianmushroom Jan 23 #42

Are you watching his lying press conference right now malaise Jan 23 #43

No, don't watch the news on TV. republianmushroom Jan 23 #45

He's a sick POS criminal who isn't fit for the presidency Dem4life1234 Jan 23 #55

Who, the judge ? republianmushroom Jan 23 #62

No trump I meant Dem4life1234 Jan 23 #70

Who are you talking about ? republianmushroom Jan 23 #65

The orange one Dem4life1234 Jan 23 #71

HOWEVER! 3825-87867 Jan 23 #44

It is unconstitutional William769 Jan 23 #50

I agree malaise Jan 23 #53

I pray Dem4life1234 Jan 23 #51

However, while this is (entirely ridiculously) a subject of litigation AZJonnie Jan 23 #57

Coming to America pregnant, then returning to Russia with new baby and American birth certificate. sueroseus Jan 23 #66

Personally I don't need to google because I remember reading the story quite well AZJonnie Jan 23 #67

Good! Now I won't be deported because my maternal ancestors came here before the USA ever existed. Jacson6 Jan 23 #61

That thing infesting the Oval Office is glaringly, blatantly unconstitutional. Six117 Jan 23 #72

John Coughenour was a Reagan appointment as well. Mountainguy Jan 23 #73

As expected by everyone, even the Trump administration. All a set up to get it to the SCOTUS. nt kelly1mm Jan 24 #77