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ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
95. I am in favor of effective self defense for those who need it
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:36 PM
Dec 2012

And far and way the most effective self defense weapon is a handgun.

I teach firearms mostly to GLBTs and women for that reason. They are often reluctant gun owners but have come to the realization that until things change, they have little choice. The police cannot be there in real time, and are sometimes part of the problem. These are not people in bad neighborhoods participating in questionable activities. Sometimes it follows them home. T*s are being slaughtered in some cities and NOTHING IS BEING DONE. These are not gun nuts. They will probably never by any kind of long gun, AR, AK, or otherwise. They will disarm when the threat passes.

Maybe you can be the one standing over them telling them that it was better they get their brains bashed in or got tortured and shot rather that own an evil pistol. I however, will continue to help them until the threat passes. It seems the progressive thing to do.

K&R nt lillypaddle Dec 2012 #1
This image answers the OP stats questions Coyotl Dec 2012 #11
Thanks for this, both the stats and the commentary Bibliovore Dec 2012 #49
I want to thank you for the graphic too. iemitsu Dec 2012 #58
I think I'll put this in its own thread. Coyotl Dec 2012 #68
You should, it needs to be seen by many. iemitsu Dec 2012 #70
DONE: Protect Your Home from a Killer, the Handgun. Coyotl Dec 2012 #71
Roger, wilco. iemitsu Dec 2012 #73
Good one. Won't change many minds here, but anyway. freshwest Dec 2012 #103
Hear Hear! Eric the Reddish Dec 2012 #104
I now know of 2 homes robbed for the firearms on the premises.... Sheepshank Dec 2012 #140
Guns in trucks reminds me... sanatanadharma Dec 2012 #152
I have to say it again. lapislzi Dec 2012 #161
Same here.. ReRe Dec 2012 #2
Trumad - Same Here - No Need To Own A Weapon cantbeserious Dec 2012 #3
You sound just like my Dad. blueamy66 Dec 2012 #4
The sane voice of a real man..... llmart Dec 2012 #5
My Brother owns a handgun... trumad Dec 2012 #8
My ex is more than a bit paranoid........ llmart Dec 2012 #22
Also never owned one. Bluenorthwest Dec 2012 #6
ditto WooWooWoo Dec 2012 #7
Same ... 55 and would never own a gun relayerbob Dec 2012 #9
My grandfather lived to be 78 and never wore his seatbelt. justanidea Dec 2012 #10
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What's yours? laundry_queen Dec 2012 #125
Ah! The "Winston Churchill" argument! Aristus Dec 2012 #129
Ever own a microwave? Tutonic Dec 2012 #12
I do... Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #18
Whaaaaaaaat? n/t JimDandy Dec 2012 #75
Obviously you have overlooked the stories klook Dec 2012 #127
LOL n/t JimDandy Dec 2012 #130
I'm your age, same here Freddie Dec 2012 #13
I say if you have a gun because you like target practice... svpadgham Dec 2012 #14
Completely agree genxlib Dec 2012 #15
re:I'm 55 years old and have never owned a gun in my life. allan01 Dec 2012 #16
One of my FB friends is a "2nd amendment rights" enthusiast Freddie Dec 2012 #17
Statistics mainstreetonce Dec 2012 #19
What about people you know? PrMaine Dec 2012 #38
Welcome to DU! JimDandy Dec 2012 #79
Know what I can't figure out? NJCher Dec 2012 #20
I will be 65 years old this coming July. Hepburn Dec 2012 #21
That metric is not available ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #23
Why would intrusion into a home not be tracked? AllyCat Dec 2012 #35
Not everything is a home invasion ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #43
Yeah? I've never had a thing happen to me, and I'm a woman, and I carry no gun. Further... Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #53
Then you must not have any GLBT friends who have been bashed, harassed, or threatened ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #83
Oh, no doubt about gun nuts shooting GLBT folks, just as they shoot kids Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #92
GLBTs are at the same risk for being assaulted as the rest of us? ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #93
So they get shot more? And you're in favor of guns????? You're nuts nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #94
I am in favor of effective self defense for those who need it ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #95
Oh I see. So you're in favor of those shooting gays being able to keep their guns? Demented. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #96
No, I am in favor of people having the tools to defend themselves against predators ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #98
To defend themselves from the guns you are arguing to keep out there and available, right? nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #113
No, against any and all threats to themselves and loved one ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #114
What kind of threat do you feel someone deserves to be shot for? Someone coming at you with a GUN? Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #115
Anything qualifying as the an appropriate use of deadly force under law ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #116
There are gays in Europe, and I never knew one packing heat Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #117
This is the US, not Europe. Bashing and intimidation is more common for gays here. ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #118
And knowing that, that in the U.S. gays are intimidated, you STILL want rampant ownership of guns? Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #119
You do realize WinniSkipper Dec 2012 #122
Of course I am. He's sidetracking the discussion of guns, which is a debate that Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #133
That you cannot address these subjects says much about your arguments ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #137
Why are we even discussing anything? Your point and desire is to keep guns freely sold as they are Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #144
Why do you keep posting the same thing? ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #145
You might belong to 15, however.... Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #147
Meaning that 84% of my posts are elsewhere ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #148
What would you have them do, just accept being attacked, terrorized, beaten, and killed? ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #124
Such Fun, Sir, Watching 'Team NRA' Wriggle About To Try And Find A 'Left' Reason For Their Nonesense The Magistrate Dec 2012 #126
Handguns are effective defense when someone has shot you? Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #131
Actually they are very effective in not getting shot or bashed. ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #135
Oh yes, let's add more guns to the already-existing gun problem. Do you even read what you're Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #139
Do you ever consider that Defensive Gun Use is legitimate ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #141
Do you think WinniSkipper Dec 2012 #121
I think gays is not a discussion of gun regulation, and neither are violent video games, nor mental Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #134
Its an example that many can relate to of why some people buy and sometimes carry sidearms. ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #136
But your solution to pervasive guns in the U.S. leading to pervasive gun deaths is more guns. Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #138
You ignore the individual... ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #142
No, actually. It's an example that you're in a gun group Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #151
Your utter failure to provide a solution of any kind, even acknowledge issues show your ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #153
I've mentioned the solution constantly, stricter gun control and stricter regulations. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #158
Which in know way address the concerns I brought up ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #163
I think of the situation DeschutesRiver Dec 2012 #162
How about his then? WinniSkipper Dec 2012 #149
Are you interested in discussing gun regulation and gun deaths? Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #150
The issues are interwoven. Address them together if you can ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #154
BS. In your mind, anything that will distract the conversation from guns from being controlled Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #157
Its a clear case your so called solution does not address ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #164
I want to know why the NRA won't allow guns in their press conference... Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #170
Don't know what their reasoning was ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #171
Oh of course not. You're a babe in diapers and don't know a thing. Innocence from a gun fetishist Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #174
The environment is not conductive to safe carrying ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #176
Please cease responding to me. You're a gun nut and that's Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #177
I am moderate...who thinks substantive changes are needed ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #179
As the other poster has shown you WinniSkipper Dec 2012 #168
Interesting that the NRA wants teachers packing heat in schools but not at the NRA press conference Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #169
I don't support arming teaches in the classroom or during press conferences ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #172
Ah, but you support the owning and carrying of weapons among people? Such bs. Stop sending me Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #173
At times, some places, and with proper training I am good with it ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #175
You're in luck, I've decided to not respond further to your Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #178
As you like it ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #180
Do you think nobody, male or female. WinniSkipper Dec 2012 #120
Okay, that makes some sense. AllyCat Dec 2012 #99
The reporting system doesn't track it either, even if it gets reported ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #100
Actually, it was available. jeff47 Dec 2012 #102
I don't think it's measurable even in theory eridani Dec 2012 #108
Its one of the many issues involved with gather such data, the other is agenda ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #109
Amen & Thank you. Myrina Dec 2012 #24
If someone breaks into my house salinen Dec 2012 #25
"I don't want to murder anyone, even a thief." Iggo Dec 2012 #33
Sometimes you have to put the lives of others before what you like to do Comrade_McKenzie Dec 2012 #26
K&R forestpath Dec 2012 #27
I'm 42 and I've owned guns all my life. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #28
Almost all gun owners are educated, reasonable, normal, until something makes them rage xtraxritical Dec 2012 #60
I own two guns sweetloukillbot Dec 2012 #80
Probabilities Maineman Dec 2012 #29
What was the perspective burgler looking for? PrMaine Dec 2012 #41
One of uncles liked to hunt pheasant in western Kansas. Maineman Dec 2012 #30
me too riverbendviewgal Dec 2012 #31
I understand. mgc1961 Dec 2012 #32
I love the argument that we should ban cars because cars kill more people. bulloney Dec 2012 #34
And knives have many uses treestar Dec 2012 #52
A big, fat K&R Love Bug Dec 2012 #36
I've lived to be 62 and no guns for me. The thought of using one to hurt someone else? No. No. No. Harriety Dec 2012 #37
I live in one of the cities with the worst crime records and I don't own a gun LynneSin Dec 2012 #39
I have to laugh at them --- Hell Hath No Fury Dec 2012 #128
A gun freak once asked me: Buzz Clik Dec 2012 #40
My wife... trumad Dec 2012 #57
64 and owned a 22 automatic rifle for abut 2 weeks once madokie Dec 2012 #42
In this insane world... the devil Dec 2012 #44
I guess that explains why you got kicked out of the "little boys club"! K&R madinmaryland Dec 2012 #46
Totally agree.... joanbarnes Dec 2012 #47
Thats your experience UndahCovah Dec 2012 #48
My Mom and brothers gave me a 22 rifle when I was 13 years old for Christmas. Puglover Dec 2012 #50
Never owned one in my life either treestar Dec 2012 #51
Guns are for death and destruction. No thanks. I think it's way LibDemAlways Dec 2012 #54
I'm 64 years old, and used to own guns.... jdadd Dec 2012 #55
Any thoughts of gun ownership were banished in the late 60s Warpy Dec 2012 #56
Thank you for sharing your story. iemitsu Dec 2012 #64
Yeah, I'll bet! Warpy Dec 2012 #66
Perhaps that was the initial reason for befriending Fred iemitsu Dec 2012 #69
Wow, you can weave an engrossing story! JimDandy Dec 2012 #85
K&R. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #59
60 yr. old member of the same club Glitterati Dec 2012 #61
I Could Have Written The OP WiffenPoof Dec 2012 #63
I'm almost 67 and live alone... FLyellowdog Dec 2012 #65
Female here, age 64. SheilaT Dec 2012 #67
Almost 51 etherealtruth Dec 2012 #72
I understand your feelings Tsiyu Dec 2012 #74
It is different for rural people Tumbulu Dec 2012 #155
I completely understand not wanting one Tsiyu Dec 2012 #165
Yes and it still going on Tumbulu Dec 2012 #166
Wishing you all the best, of course, Tumbulu Tsiyu Dec 2012 #167
Gee you're not such a... El Supremo Dec 2012 #76
I'm 73 and never owned and never will young_at_heart Dec 2012 #77
I've not owned a gun either. Blue_In_AK Dec 2012 #78
Interestingly, a bear attack is the only threat that I've considered a gun for... sweetloukillbot Dec 2012 #82
That's the only reason we would consider one, too. Blue_In_AK Dec 2012 #84
Want to add - I am a gun owner sweetloukillbot Dec 2012 #91
I have a similar story... SomethingFishy Dec 2012 #87
Your dad was lucky. Blue_In_AK Dec 2012 #88
Man, sorry for your loss... SomethingFishy Dec 2012 #89
Off topic, but you sound like a wonderful father. Exultant Democracy Dec 2012 #81
I have my moments... trumad Dec 2012 #90
Excellent points. I was just thinking about this: ProSense Dec 2012 #86
I own an Air-Weight 38 Special - loaded with snake load Strelnikov_ Dec 2012 #97
I'm 70 & I've never owned a gun either. I'm a single woman & at one time someone suggested that Booster Dec 2012 #101
Same here - we hate guns malaise Dec 2012 #105
I've never owned a gun, either lbrtbell Dec 2012 #106
Your CHOICE, but many of us who hunt and target shoot beg to disagree. More regulation, YES, but RBInMaine Dec 2012 #107
now where in my post did I say ban all guns. trumad Dec 2012 #110
Many here are... ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #143
Me too. Martin Eden Dec 2012 #111
Me neither and I'm 57. tedzbear Dec 2012 #112
There are better ways to defend one's self. Octafish Dec 2012 #123
I own a Mossberg, but it's never had a round through it. Romulox Dec 2012 #132
I'm almost 52, and can think of three guns I might someday own: kentauros Dec 2012 #146
There is no reason for a civilian to own a firearm mwrguy Dec 2012 #156
I own a handgun Texasgal Dec 2012 #159
Guns and Crime: Handgun Victimization, Firearm Self-Defense, and RantinRavin Dec 2012 #160
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