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lapucelle

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Sat Mar 15, 2025, 12:18 PM Mar 15

Schumer made the smart move. [View all]

Had the government shut down, it would have remained shut for as long as Republicans chose to keep it closed.

Within a few weeks, the federal courts would have run out of reserve funds to operate. Civil litigation would have been postponed because only "mission critical" cases would continue to be heard, and they are generally limited to criminal cases.

The court postponements would have included cases in which the DOJ is a party and the Trump administration is being sued. Last time around (2019), the Trump Justice Department furloughed three-fourths of Immigration Court judges, postponing thousands of cases.

While the Social Security Administration may have continued to cut checks, in all likelihood new applications would not have been processed during the shutdown. There's already a backlog due to staffing reductions, and Trump and Musk would have been handed a gift: the opportunity to blame Democrats for their gutting of the Social Security system.

Once current funding had been exhausted by agencies, the provisions of the Anti-Deficiency Act would be triggered. It's the Office of Management and Budget that generally determines who is furloughed and who is not based on the contingency plans filed by federal agencies.

You used to be able to view agency contingency plans on the whitehouse.gov website. That information has been disappeared.

A shutdown would have played right into Trump's hands. The waters would have been muddied as to exactly who was responsible for any stoppages in services. National Parks would have been closed. Social Security applications would have been put aside. Any federal cases involving the Trump administration would have been held in abeyance.

All of that is just the start, and the "Blame the Democrats:" narrative would have been repeated over and over again on social media, on Fox, and eventually in the MSM.

Does anyone think that Johnson would have been eager to negotiate or introduce a new CR while the chaos played out, and Senate Democrats were shouldering the blame?

And while some Senate Democrats will be absorbing all the incoming heat, as things stand, every Democratic representative has clean hands as to the onerous budget cuts in the CR, and the government did not shut down.

That could very well be the key to winning back the House.

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www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/heres-how-shutdown-could-affect-courts
www.crfb.org/papers/government-shutdowns-qa-everything-you-should-know#whatisashutdown
www.justice.gov/jmd/media/1377216/dl
www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/Agency-Lapse-FAQs-9.27.2023.pdf
www.whitehouse.gov/omb/information-for-agencies/agency-contingency-plans


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Schumer made the smart move. [View all] lapucelle Mar 15 OP
I assumed that Schumer weighed all the options and did what he thought was right. I don't think he did it on a whim. Walleye Mar 15 #1
Not a single House Democrat owns any part of the CR. Their hands are clean. lapucelle Mar 15 #8
Definitely a hostage situation. Trump loves this so he can gloat afterwards. Apparently it's all he lives for. Walleye Mar 15 #59
And causing demonstrations DENVERPOPS Mar 15 #75
Oh yeah, I'm sure he's thinking about that. Moving on us like a bitch. Walleye Mar 15 #95
There was a video on TV DENVERPOPS Mar 15 #162
He's probably already planning his Fourth of July parade with tanks rolling down Pennsylvania AvenueI'm Walleye Mar 15 #166
Not even possible Mountainguy Mar 16 #194
Very interesting, thanks for insight pattyloutwo Mar 16 #195
I agree Mtnmama Mar 15 #102
No, you're not missing anything angrychair Mar 15 #145
Welcome to DU LetMyPeopleVote Mar 16 #209
I think so XanaDUer2 Mar 15 #2
The problem with this is that the next budget (September) will be much worse Polybius Mar 15 #3
Maybe, that is hard to tell at this point. A lot is going to happen between now and then. 33taw Mar 15 #7
They don't need help the next time FBaggins Mar 15 #29
+1, The OP leaves out the biggest take is this vote was our only leverage politically uponit7771 Mar 15 #88
I don't agree - our leverage was peeling off house republicans FBaggins Mar 15 #101
Quinnipac poll put shutdown squarely on MAGA/Trump ...those were the facts we had uponit7771 Mar 15 #108
There's no way that would stick FBaggins Mar 15 #114
That's speculation that doesn't match up historically, few times has Americans switch blame over time cause one ... uponit7771 Mar 15 #141
Historically? FBaggins Mar 15 #150
The poll question itself was speculative, and the Trump/Republican message that Democrats were to blame lapucelle Mar 16 #174
Actually 32% of the respondents were ready to blame congressional Democrats. lapucelle Mar 16 #175
By right move do you mean announcing your opposition to the bill Sneederbunk Mar 15 #4
The right move was to not shut down the government, but thank you for your input. lapucelle Mar 15 #12
While Trump and Musk shut it down anyway? SergeStorms Mar 15 #64
Those clean hands will help us win special elections and take back the House in 2026. lapucelle Mar 15 #67
Most Americans blamed Trump/MAGA for shutdown... This makes no sense in regards to political consequences uponit7771 Mar 15 #92
In the abstract, in one poll taken before any shutdown had occurred, the majority would have blamed Trump or Republicans lapucelle Mar 15 #109
Enron and Putin's Puppet is going to slash government anyway might as well impose severe political cost on them ... uponit7771 Mar 15 #143
How many times did potus trump shut down the government as 45? Who is currently in charge? krawhitham Mar 17 #246
I think you can find that information on Google. N/T lapucelle Mar 17 #252
If the country lasts that long. SergeStorms Mar 15 #94
Win elections lol Hornedfrog2000 Mar 15 #126
And the little leverage they had gutted by the "Yes" votes. Scrivener7 Mar 15 #81
But if they didin't vote "yes, then the GQP would say Bad Things 'Bout Dems. But now . . . hatrack Mar 15 #84
I know. And by agreeing with hundreds of Democrats against 10, I'm told, we're just people Scrivener7 Mar 15 #107
It would NOT have been shut down for weeks or months. Bengus81 Mar 17 #241
I appreciate your post. It is sane. valleyrogue Mar 15 #5
Trump wallows in chaos. A shut-down for him would be his greatest fantasy. lamp_shade Mar 15 #6
So when does a meaningful stand happen? They continue virtually unabated....speed is the only variable. dutch777 Mar 15 #9
I really tire of all this Republican-lite crap Bluetus Mar 15 #76
Thank you! I am where you are-- tragically and sadly. I am looking into the Indivisible Project....gotta DO something! dutch777 Mar 16 #177
And note that 7 of those 9 bastards ended up voting AGAINST the CR Bluetus Mar 16 #183
When the price of Dry Powder moves beyond a certain $/ton figure, then - look out!!! hatrack Mar 15 #90
Yeah, not quite sure what that price is indeed. Guess we are trying to corner the market...before we die on our knees. dutch777 Mar 16 #178
So then why do you think all the other Dems who voted "no" were not convinced? Or do you believe them hlthe2b Mar 15 #10
I'm sure that all the Democratic senators who voted against the CR will be releasing statements, but lapucelle Mar 15 #16
Have the courts grown a new appendage willing to enforce their rulings? Magoo48 Mar 15 #33
Your comment is best addressed to Senator Murphy who assumed that the Courts would remain open. lapucelle Mar 15 #39
The courts are open and going through the motions, but without enforcement, what good are they? Magoo48 Mar 15 #45
... lapucelle Mar 15 #48
My apologies, all better now. Magoo48 Mar 15 #57
Well that's reassuring. At this point the "the courts are useless" narrative is truly defeatist. lapucelle Mar 15 #63
Two people, two different views of what's defeatist. Magoo48 Mar 15 #79
Then by all means go out and convince the people not paying attention lapucelle Mar 15 #120
Yes indeed Magoo48 Mar 16 #172
Gee, one out of thousands. Color me impressed....not!!! ratchiweenie Mar 15 #136
Not all of those who voted no were not convinced FBaggins Mar 15 #31
Clean hands in a civil war. I think R's will do what they want. Hope22 Mar 15 #11
I thought, CrispyQ Mar 15 #32
I get a lot of $#it for my screen name!!! Hope22 Mar 15 #35
By the time the 2026 elections come around the outrage and the pain totodeinhere Mar 15 #38
I admire your hopeful nature. Hope22 Mar 15 #44
You think Elon Musk stole the 2024 election? N/T lapucelle Mar 15 #55
I go by what TSF says Hope22 Mar 15 #58
I like what you're saying here. bluestarone Mar 15 #71
"Then we would have the votes to impeach and remove him." Wednesdays Mar 15 #74
Yes we would need Republican votes. totodeinhere Mar 15 #128
Like the Spanish Nationalist did circa 1937? uponit7771 Mar 15 #96
I agree with this being his thought process EdmondDantes_ Mar 15 #13
I have to reluctantly agree. His worshipers need to feel the pain of his policies. louis-t Mar 15 #14
I don't disagree with the decision mcar Mar 15 #15
I agree, but "Schumer Caved" is a better headline than "Senate Democrats Shut Down Government". lapucelle Mar 15 #19
We've been keeping our powder dry for over four decades. -nt CrispyQ Mar 15 #49
How so? That claim requires the assumption that Democrats have accomplished nothing since 1985. lapucelle Mar 15 #52
Oh good grief, it doesn't mean that. It just means we've been going along to get along. CrispyQ Mar 15 #65
So you didn't actually mean the thing that you said? lapucelle Mar 15 #70
Whatthefuckever. You're exhausting. CrispyQ Mar 15 #72
You know your business.. I find that Interesting.. Not "Exhausting. Cha Mar 15 #133
My guess is that Trump would have been fine with a shutdown Buckeyeblue Mar 15 #17
This infighting wouldn't have occurred if those who wanted to abolish the filibuster the last few years had prevailed MichMan Mar 15 #18
I brought chairs. underpants Mar 15 #20
Calling dibs on that blue one. tavernier Mar 15 #50
Right on - love your graphic. waterwatcher123 Mar 15 #160
Well he did go right. That part is right. William769 Mar 15 #21
Thanks for the heads up. lapucelle Mar 15 #23
He went futher right with his vote over the majority of Senate Democrats. William769 Mar 15 #25
I agree. The House is in recess until March 24th underpants Mar 15 #22
A government shutdown would open all eyes to cachukis Mar 15 #24
This: They must be challenged now, not later. -nt CrispyQ Mar 15 #34
I agree Andy823 Mar 15 #26
Hmmmm. Trump has congratulated Schumer on doing the right thing. CrispyQ Mar 15 #27
That should tell everyone what they need to know. SergeStorms Mar 15 #99
Democrats should NOT have voted to give Trump the power to spend or withold funds as he sees fit. Martin Eden Mar 15 #123
This will not be easily reversed. CrispyQ Mar 15 #124
I think Schumer made the right move, too. Progressive dog Mar 15 #28
The legality of his spending money he doesn't have the right to spend, doesn't change if the govt shuts down. CrispyQ Mar 15 #40
Sigh planj07 Mar 15 #41
Trump is congratulating him to help widen yorkster Mar 15 #106
Political consequences for MAGA would be devastating, 53% of Americans already blamed them... uponit7771 Mar 15 #105
Thank you!!!!! nt LAS14 Mar 15 #30
Had a book tour starting Monday HereForTheParty Mar 15 #36
Dems should have threatened a shut down from the start crud Mar 15 #37
No Dem votes unless DOGE is shut down. This!! So much this!! CrispyQ Mar 15 #42
100+ InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 16 #227
Get back to me in three months... -misanthroptimist Mar 15 #43
What power did Senate Democrats have to "fix those things"? lapucelle Mar 15 #46
THis: "The only power Senate Democrats had was to shut down the government, and that move would have put Trump's OMB in Amaryllis Mar 15 #82
Thank you for that. N/T lapucelle Mar 15 #85
You're welcome, but which part? Amaryllis Mar 15 #91
The part about Trump's OMB running the show during the shutdown. N/T lapucelle Mar 15 #113
It wasnt OMB running teh show during the shutdown that made me change my mind; it was that OMB could run the show Amaryllis Mar 15 #171
The ONLY way this ends is in the streets or the election booth lapfog_1 Mar 15 #132
First off, I have no suspicions about you -misanthroptimist Mar 15 #121
As a federal employee, I'm telling you he betrayed us miserably SSJVegeta Mar 15 #47
Welcome to DU! lapucelle Mar 15 #122
... SSJVegeta Mar 15 #144
Sayanara orangecrush Mar 15 #51
Imagine for a moment... lame54 Mar 15 #53
"A shutdown would have played right into Trump's hands." tman Mar 15 #54
Stop making so much sense. nt Wednesdays Mar 15 #56
Thank you for that info! I've been wondering about the courts. CaptainTruth Mar 15 #60
Has it stopped them so far? -nt CrispyQ Mar 15 #68
You said this better than I did... Dem4life1970 Mar 15 #61
Sometimes, the definition... oldsoldierfadingfast Mar 16 #210
Does "business as usual" politics require even a tiny modicum of integrity? Ping Tung Mar 15 #62
Shutting down the government would have been burning down the village to save it. lapucelle Mar 15 #73
Yup. Instead, Democrats handed the arsonist the means and walked away... Self Esteem Mar 15 #83
I don't think the money is going where you think it is Quanto Magnus Mar 15 #66
You are wrong nakocal Mar 15 #69
What are you talking about? That's the second time today that someone invoked a Hitler comparison lapucelle Mar 15 #77
All this old girl can glean from this entire mess is Joinfortmill Mar 15 #78
I know I feel comforted that 9 Dems and 1 Ind chose to defy 213 House Dems and 38 Senate Dems Nanjeanne Mar 15 #80
And, somehow, stating that makes you someone who "is just complaining about Democrats!!1!" Scrivener7 Mar 15 #89
Does it? I sure am not complaining about the 38 and 213. Nanjeanne Mar 15 #93
Yep. Exactly. But that's what I'm told by people who always insist that our Democratic leaders can do no wrong Scrivener7 Mar 15 #98
Screw 'em. Nanjeanne Mar 15 #100
. Scrivener7 Mar 15 #103
They all could have done more to convince the rest lapfog_1 Mar 15 #115
In all my years of seeing him in action I have never moniss Mar 15 #86
On numerous occasions he has stood up for people on the (Wall) Street. /nt thought crime Mar 16 #224
Since when has Trump ever failed to blame Democrats BlueKota Mar 15 #87
Dead now,.dead later is still dead... JCMach1 Mar 15 #97
Sure, if you're willing angrychair Mar 15 #104
While I understand the desire to fight it out, I suspect you are right Maeve Mar 15 #110
I think people who are killed off by the bad guys BlueKota Mar 15 #116
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All of the negative outcomes lapfog_1 Mar 15 #112
Thank you for acknowledging that "the Democrats folded like a cheap suit" is a Republican talking point. N/T lapucelle Mar 15 #125
sooo what do YOU call it? lapfog_1 Mar 15 #130
Sorry, but I don't take Trump's "praise" of Democrats at face value. lapucelle Mar 15 #137
re-evaluated lapfog_1 Mar 15 #138
Sorry, arguments predicated on the fallacy of eqivocation do not work on me lapucelle Mar 15 #139
You are entrenched in your position lapfog_1 Mar 15 #140
Closing the government would result in the government being dismantled at a quicker pace, lapucelle Mar 15 #147
Nope. lees1975 Mar 15 #117
What polls were quite clear on that? N/T lapucelle Mar 15 #127
Quinnipiac for one. Think. Again. Mar 15 #146
That was the only one poll, and the picture was not quite as rosy as some made it out to be. lapucelle Mar 15 #148
Yeah, I don't believe there were any other polls taken... Think. Again. Mar 15 #149
Pro-tip: Read carefully. Don't answer questions when none were asked. It will save the embarrassment lapucelle Mar 15 #152
My apologies, I was confused by the question mark at the end of... Think. Again. Mar 15 #155
Apology accepted. Interesting hypothetical: Someone takes the liberty of answering for someone else, lapucelle Mar 15 #156
Okey dokey Cirsium Mar 15 #118
I disagree. DiamondShark Mar 15 #119
Dangerously Stupid Take on the CR By Lapicelle King_Black_Mamba_248 Mar 15 #129
Welcome to DU re your first post though you've been here a few months. . . . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 15 #161
Interesting, no? Oopsie Daisy Mar 15 #167
Check the post recs. lapucelle Mar 16 #180
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i have a feeling that you will be tuned up shortly. n/t LuckyCharms Mar 16 #199
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Hmmm...you sound nice. GP6971 Mar 16 #202
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Well OK then. That settles that!!! Have we met before?? GP6971 Mar 16 #204
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Yes... it's VERY interesting. Oopsie Daisy Mar 16 #197
Well, thank you, lapucelle! I think you're interesting too. Scrivener7 Mar 16 #205
You are wrong LetMyPeopleVote Mar 16 #208
Short Term vs. Long Term Terry_M Mar 15 #131
What makes you think Republicans would cave? lapucelle Mar 16 #179
There is a lot we don't know about either pain right Terry_M Mar 16 #187
Schumer did prioritize the long term. N/T lapucelle Mar 16 #192
Nice to see TransitJohn Mar 15 #134
"A shutdown would have played right into Trump's hands." J_William_Ryan Mar 15 #135
Where is the show of force? Where is the wiilingness to fight? ScubaDave Mar 15 #142
He did what he thought was the best worse option Meowmee Mar 15 #151
He did indeed, and he will take the heat. N/T lapucelle Mar 15 #153
Explains for me. He needs to go. Blue Full Moon Mar 15 #154
You should inform the donors whom you know professionally that the stock market is closed on Saturdays. lapucelle Mar 15 #163
I agree LetMyPeopleVote Mar 15 #157
I'd prefer he hadn't, but those are good points. nilram Mar 15 #158
Good bye Chuck. Thank you for your service. mikewv Mar 15 #159
Totally agree ... nt Raine Mar 15 #164
Puzzled Flux Mar 15 #165
There is no way we want the courts shut down or any of our Nixie Mar 15 #168
I've yet to hear an exit strategy from anyone who wanted to shut the government down. lapucelle Mar 16 #176
Thank you, lapucelle. Your points are excellent. brer cat Mar 15 #169
Schumer publicly started a civil war in the Democratic Party. If that's "Smart" I'd rather be lobotomized. n/t Hellbound Hellhound Mar 15 #170
It's already hell...how much more can the poor be burned Tribetime Mar 16 #173
So when they put in a national abortion ban in the next extortion CR Dems will just auto vote for it? lark Mar 16 #181
The problem remains the same the_liberal_grandpa Mar 16 #182
Wholly Disagree -- Schumer's Top Donors Were Bleeding MARKET VALUE... All About The Benjamins... MayReasonRule Mar 16 #184
Schumer says he agrees with Trump's decision to pull $400 million from Columbia. MayReasonRule Mar 16 #185
If you read the interview, he didn't actually say that. Scrivener7 Mar 16 #206
Thank You - Yes He Did Indeed Say That - And Worse... MayReasonRule Mar 17 #232
Nope. He didn't. I'm no fan of his right now, but he didn't say that. Scrivener7 Mar 17 #234
Well Dang... I Don't Want To Put Words In Schumer's Mouth MayReasonRule Mar 17 #235
Read the interview. Scrivener7 Mar 17 #237
Senator Schumer didn't say that he agrees with Trump. lapucelle Mar 17 #230
Happy Monday Y'all! MayReasonRule Mar 17 #231
The problem here wasn't with the shutdown vs. no shutdown showdown... Ol Janx Spirit Mar 16 #188
GOP Senators Love Schumer's Choice For His Party And His Nation... MayReasonRule Mar 16 #189
Trump praised Schumer too. Emile Mar 16 #190
Thank You For Saying So Emile. I Wholeheartedly Agree. MayReasonRule Mar 16 #191
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Brandon, you are back! sheshe2 Mar 16 #212
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Wanna bet? William769 Mar 16 #214
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So do I. William769 Mar 16 #216
Good for you!!! GP6971 Mar 16 #219
Are you threatening me? sheshe2 Mar 16 #217
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KayossZero is no longer with us. sheshe2 Mar 16 #221
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OK then...a voice from the past!!!! GP6971 Mar 16 #225
Back so soon!!! GP6971 Mar 16 #218
That's something out of your control. GP6971 Mar 16 #222
Has he stood before a mic and declared the orange convict and musky domestic enemies Hotler Mar 16 #196
Discussions on this and other issues have shown me iemanja Mar 16 #200
Could not disagree more... fighting for We The People is what wins elections!! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 16 #226
But claudette Mar 16 #228
K&R betsuni Mar 17 #229
Elon and Trump wanted the shut down. Democrats didn't give it to them. NowsTheTime Mar 17 #233
If Trump wanted the shutdown he would have told Emile Mar 17 #236
Makes sense...but he would have exploited the situation had the Dem's shut it down..would have been ugly NowsTheTime Mar 17 #238
So what, he does that regardless. Trump got exactly what he wanted and Emile Mar 17 #239
NO, Schumer picked the lesser of two bad choices. NowsTheTime Mar 17 #240
I guess we all have an opinion. The good thing Emile Mar 17 #242
Thanks! Yes we are. Having said what I did, I would like to see a stronger leader in the Senate. NowsTheTime Mar 17 #245
The federal courts (including immigration courts) remain open, lapucelle Mar 17 #248
If Trump wanted the government shutdown, he Emile Mar 17 #249
He wanted the shutdown, but he wanted the Democrats to take the blame. lapucelle Mar 17 #250
I don't buy that either. He would have blamed us Emile Mar 17 #251
You are free to believe what you want to believe. lapucelle Mar 17 #253
I know we're both Democrats with different views. Emile Mar 17 #254
... lapucelle Mar 17 #256
And he wouldn't have worked so hard to get it passed. Scrivener7 Mar 17 #243
+1 Emile Mar 17 #244
Then only Republicans would have been blamed for the shutdown. N/T lapucelle Mar 17 #247
So if there had been a shutdown and things got really bad intrepidity Mar 17 #255
I think the media would have run with the "blame the Democrats" narrative. lapucelle Mar 17 #258
A shutdown would have given musk/DOGE free reign to fire people and close offices LetMyPeopleVote Mar 17 #257
So Schumer stopped Trump and Musk, uh okay. . Emile Mar 17 #259
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