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Demovictory9

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Mon Mar 24, 2025, 10:04 PM Mar 24

Former JAG officer: "There is not an officer alive whose career would survive a security breach like that." [View all]

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/24/opinion/atlantic-hegseth-vance-houthis.html

This would be a stunning breach of security. I’m a former Army JAG officer (an Army lawyer). I’ve helped investigate numerous allegations of classified information spillages, and I’ve never even heard of anything this egregious — a secretary of defense intentionally using a civilian messaging app to share sensitive war plans without even apparently noticing a journalist was in the chat.

There is not an officer alive whose career would survive a security breach like that. It would normally result in instant consequences (relief from command, for example) followed by a comprehensive investigation and, potentially, criminal charges.

Federal law makes it a crime when a person — through gross negligence — removes information “relating to the national defense” from “its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted or destroyed.”

It’s way too soon to say whether Hegseth’s incompetence is also criminal, but I raise the possibility to demonstrate the sheer magnitude of the reported mistake. A security breach that significant requires a thorough investigation.
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If blowback lands on Krasnov, Hogsbreath will be looking at the undercarriage of a bus Ocelot II Mar 24 #1
If Pete Had Any Honor,...this is the key, he has no honor. NotHardly Mar 25 #42
HAHAHAHA..."Honor" Good one. NCDem47 Mar 25 #49
Or until he exposes more more state information. dixiegrrrrl Mar 25 #87
The name of a CIA agent/asset was released in the text. Irish_Dem Mar 24 #2
At the hearings Owens Mar 25 #45
But they cannot be bothered to protect the military or CIA. Irish_Dem Mar 25 #53
Those 3auld6phart Mar 25 #64
The Plame Game? (nt) Pinback Mar 25 #73
Exactly, I have been thinking about Valerie Plame too. Irish_Dem Mar 25 #77
But it did help the Russians didn't it.. We think it is something new, I don't. LiberalArkie Mar 25 #85
Yep. My thoughts exactly. Irish_Dem Mar 25 #86
They have no legitimate reason to be on Signal, none of them. C_U_L8R Mar 24 #3
Remember, Musk setup Starlink all over the White House newdeal2 Mar 24 #6
Yep Solly Mack Mar 24 #4
Hegseth was confirmed with 50 Republican votes. yardwork Mar 24 #5
Lock him up. FalloutShelter Mar 24 #7
It is and the prison overlooks the mighty Missouri river, lovely. NotHardly Mar 25 #43
Wonder if trump will announce his good friend Pete is going into rehab? Silent Type Mar 24 #8
Stepping down to spend more time with family.. Demovictory9 Mar 24 #10
Family joho260 Mar 25 #37
K&R for, K&R UTUSN Mar 24 #9
Says the "newspaper" that propped up this cabal. AllyCat Mar 24 #11
It's a guest Op-Ed. Not the Editorial Board. maxsolomon Mar 25 #72
Oh gimme a break. They didn't report anything AllyCat Mar 25 #78
Do you subscribe? I do. maxsolomon Mar 25 #79
Dear former JAG officer, don't hold your breath waiting for that "thorough investigation". niyad Mar 24 #12
Nothing will happen to Hegseth kimbutgar Mar 24 #13
would it be too much trouble for you to actually spell out, in words, what you are referring to? as of now i have no orleans Mar 25 #29
IOKIYAR syndrome: it's ok if you are a republican MagickMuffin Mar 25 #31
thank you nt orleans Mar 25 #35
You'll see that one a lot here. 3catwoman3 Mar 25 #67
I know... birdographer Mar 25 #75
Nothing OFFICIAL will happen, but if exposed asset dies/disappears, one might consider some spooks could be a bit peeved Attilatheblond Mar 25 #60
Trump is more likely to attack the media over this than to ask for Hegseth's resignation Martin Eden Mar 24 #14
Safe bet, considering that's how Republicans respond to everything, and exactly what Hegseth himself has already done. Karasu Mar 25 #80
So surprised to learn this wasn't from Lindsey Graham. Abolishinist Mar 24 #15
Post removed Post removed Mar 25 #21
And there is NO Inspector General to report crimes to. James48 Mar 24 #16
Illegally, of course, but yes. Karasu Mar 25 #81
Trumps DEi hires Historic NY Mar 24 #17
Hogsbreath is DEI: Drunk Every Instant. . . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 25 #70
The dipshits on Fox are trying to downplay it as the text's fault. Initech Mar 24 #18
Always risk when you drunks. rickyhall Mar 25 #19
His job is not a good one for a drinking man Mopar151 Mar 25 #24
Yes, but all the drunk major has to say is that it didn't happen. His boss is already attacking the source. RW'ers will artemisia1 Mar 25 #20
Yep, that would do it. Claim it's fake news and a lefty plot. Nice when the kids learn from the master. MMBeilis Mar 25 #22
Do not forget that JD was in on the call also. Old Crank Mar 25 #23
It doesn't matter anymore. The crazy bastards are in charge Klarkashton Mar 25 #25
But Sir, ... YoshidaYui Mar 25 #26
Of Course! Daleuhlmann Mar 25 #27
The Incompetence... BurnDoubt Mar 25 #28
for a minute there this excerpt seemed to be about trump when i read: orleans Mar 25 #30
As a retired Army JAG qazplm135 Mar 25 #32
K&R! William769 Mar 25 #33
It's yet more proof of their incompetence... ms liberty Mar 25 #34
Hypocrisy ironman_25 Mar 25 #36
Whiskey Pete strikes again. travelingthrulife Mar 25 #38
LOL "If Pete Hegseth had any honor." If he had any honor, it would have disqualified him for a position in the Trump Martin68 Mar 25 #39
This is why you strive NOT to put traitorous felons in the White House travelingthrulife Mar 25 #40
How he responded when asked about this tells you everything neohippie Mar 25 #41
Honor Requires Valor, Valor Requires Discretion -- Fascists Wholly Lack Discretion, Valor And Honor MayReasonRule Mar 25 #44
royal cock up pamdb Mar 25 #46
You know what? BFD. The man in the WH absconded with hundreds of sensitive documents... malthaussen Mar 25 #47
You are absolutely right! My Father was TJAG from 1967 to 1971 joeybear Mar 25 #48
Update: Looks like they're trying to throw Hegseth under the bus. Where he deserves to go. but not just him RoeVWade Mar 25 #50
Yeah, but her emails. louis-t Mar 25 #51
Scumbag Gabbard just said the conversation "wasn't classified" Takket Mar 25 #52
She said so under oath. That makes this instance official, and Goldberg is free to publish it. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 25 #69
There is no expectation of adult responsibility or accountability. hay rick Mar 25 #54
Their leader, Trump DENVERPOPS Mar 25 #55
He should, but he won't. That might look bad on his real employer, Fox News. Initech Mar 25 #56
First he would have to sober up Augiedog Mar 25 #57
Republicans don't have honor samsingh Mar 25 #58
Anyone who still considers themselves one after everything that's happened in the last decade sure as fuck doesn't. Karasu Mar 25 #82
If he had any honor, he wouldn't be in that position relayerbob Mar 25 #59
Vance and Hogsbreath should be called up and court martialed. Bluethroughu Mar 25 #61
If wishes were horses.... Turbineguy Mar 25 #62
If he had any honor IronLionZion Mar 25 #63
Honor? In repukes? sakabatou Mar 25 #65
As We Well Know "Honor" and "Integrity" Are Weasily "Woke" Made-up Concepts to Any True The Roux Comes First Mar 25 #66
Yeah, and if Donald Trump had any wings, he would fly. DFW Mar 25 #68
Different rules for different folks. maxsolomon Mar 25 #71
If Hegseth were actually... 3catwoman3 Mar 25 #74
NONE of these asshat admin folks have any concern for anything, but having fun with burning it all down. Above the law. Evolve Dammit Mar 25 #76
And if the Queen had balls, she'd be the King. MadMike47 Mar 25 #83
To top it all off, Hegseth lied about it! red dog 1 Mar 25 #84
As a young Air Force Staff Sergeant MissouriDem47 Mar 25 #88
The clearest explanation of the danger moondust Mar 25 #89
It's what you get ironman_25 Mar 26 #90
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