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BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
19. Great point.
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 10:51 AM
Dec 2012

It isn't that people wouldn't put their money into Tbills. The problem is that they are paying virtually no interest. The Fed has backed itself into a dogmatic corner -- the same corner that Japan suffered in since the early 1990s -- where these idiots have this abiding philosophy that money supply will solve the problem. No. Money supply only solves a MONEY SUPPLY problem. We have an economy that needs direct investment in infrastructure work, immediate construction jobs, etc.

Cutting interest rates to zero doesn't incentivize very many people to open new businesses. You don't open or expand a business just because money is cheap (and not terribly available). You expand your business when you see CUSTOMERS. That is the only way out of this mess. Our economy is 70% driven by consumers. We need EMPLOYED consumers. With all this talk about "the cliff, when was the last time you heard anybody say a single word about getting unemployment down to 5%. Austerity doesn't do that. Cutting Social Security doesn't do that.

Obama has completely lost control of the conversation. Again. Or maybe he just doesn't care. He has had plenty of opportunity to talk about the real issues and instead has chosen to play the "Cliff" game.

Another thing about those artificially low interest rates -- which have done practically nothing to boost the economy -- they are killing seniors. Many seniors have some savings that they diligently set aside to go along with their Social Security and any pension they might have. For generations, the advice to investors was to reduce risk as you approach retirement. That means shifting to interest-bearing instruments. But now there is virtually no interest -- actually NEGATIVE interest rates when you account for inflation. So we are cutting their Social Security on top of killing their savings. We have the wrong people in charge of our economic system.

WE the PEOPLE! elleng Dec 2012 #1
You are exactly right -- but all we hear is the debt owed by China and other foreign countries Samantha Dec 2012 #6
You're welcome, Sam. elleng Dec 2012 #9
And that tactic relies on a misunderstanding. PETRUS Dec 2012 #21
Thank you for your post Samantha Dec 2012 #28
I was pretty sure that was the answer MiniMe Dec 2012 #2
I just like to make sure everyone knows that Samantha Dec 2012 #7
US citizens hold around 80% of US debt. Social Security is a big holder. nt bluestate10 Dec 2012 #3
Did you add them all up or did you already have this figure? Samantha Dec 2012 #8
US Debt to the penny & who holds it: HiPointDem Dec 2012 #16
Lets face it, we're never going to retire. We will work until we are broken. JaneyVee Dec 2012 #4
It appears that is the plan Samantha Dec 2012 #10
US (us)....borrowed from the SS trust fund. Historic NY Dec 2012 #5
Yes, and the huge babyboomer retirement has started en masse Samantha Dec 2012 #11
And understand that the real "fiscal cliff" BlueStreak Dec 2012 #12
All you say is very true Samantha Dec 2012 #13
Great point. BlueStreak Dec 2012 #19
And one more thing ... BlueStreak Dec 2012 #20
Actually, why worry...they will never ask to collect it. your credit card debt is fine as long as kelliekat44 Dec 2012 #14
I don't know how to categorize debt owned by the Federal reserve when we all know they printed $ dkf Dec 2012 #15
Yes. Basically, for years and years, JDPriestly Dec 2012 #17
I agree with everything you say Samantha Dec 2012 #18
Social Security is not an investment plan FarCenter Dec 2012 #23
No, it is not an investment plan Samantha Dec 2012 #24
Well, that's for the $16 trillion of Treasury debt. There is another $24 trillion government agency FarCenter Dec 2012 #22
I found the budget outlays on page 18 interesting too. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #25
This is a great post Samantha Dec 2012 #27
Could you take a look at this, JDPriestly -- regarding the Post Office Samantha Dec 2012 #29
So you mean ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #26
I bet you are surprised, about as much as I Samantha Dec 2012 #30
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