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(58,179 posts) Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:32 PM Dec 2012

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Tell me more about how this White House doesn't know how to negotiate, we're all fucked, etc... [View all]

PLAN B DIES IN HOUSE
Speaker Boehner Cites Lack Of GOP Support
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/boehner-calls-off-plan-b-vote?ref=fpa

Boehner’s ‘Plan B’ collapses as GOP calls off vote
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/cliff-standoff-boehner-works-to-wrangle-votes-for-plan-b-obama-threatens-veto/2012/12/20/d37cd8c6-4aa5-11e2-9a42-d1ce6d0ed278_story.html

...negotiating stance: gone.

So, yeah...you were saying something about how we're all fucked?

Proceed.

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Tell me more about how this White House doesn't know how to negotiate, we're all fucked, etc... [View all] WilliamPitt Dec 2012 OP

pleased to give the first rec CatWoman Dec 2012 #1

It think it is "proceed Governor" quaker bill Dec 2012 #2

I think it's now "Proceed, Speaker". JaneyVee Dec 2012 #12

Boehner should realize Flatpicker Dec 2012 #37

LOL! klook Dec 2012 #98

Or Hire an Escort n/t Yavin4 Dec 2012 #239

It's called Merlot watoos Dec 2012 #140

Haha. Boner couldn't get it up! I dare Leno or Letterman to say it. OK, maybe coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #107

The President got lucky. cali Dec 2012 #3

Did he, now? MineralMan Dec 2012 #6

Yes he did. truebrit71 Dec 2012 #225

Uff da! WoodyD Dec 2012 #310

Um, right. He couldn't POSSIBLY guess that the Tea Party would stand up to Boehner... brooklynite Dec 2012 #14

I'm sure Obama has ears in the chambers to report on what is happening. LiberalFighter Dec 2012 #287

Thanks much. A dozen times a day I think this whenever I come here appacom Dec 2012 #302

That makes 6 times he's "got lucky" now, by my count Recursion Dec 2012 #34

And with randomness, that's possible. nt caseymoz Dec 2012 #163

And as likely as any other given sequence, yes (nt) Recursion Dec 2012 #202

no, its not pasto76 Dec 2012 #289

And you don't know what numbers mean in reality. caseymoz Dec 2012 #293

Well said. nt freedom fighter jh Dec 2012 #297

Thats what Republicans have said about him everytime he has won anything. phleshdef Dec 2012 #35

i don't mind if the republicans keep underestimating him 0rganism Dec 2012 #89

I agreed; but ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #131

I doubt after re-election they underestimate him. caseymoz Dec 2012 #222

Predictable. NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #39

He jumped the line. Don't you get it. He jumped the line! alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #79

+1 JustAnotherGen Dec 2012 #195

Ditto for me!! rury Dec 2012 #276

lol just like he got lucky in every campaign and political fight todate. grantcart Dec 2012 #53

Right you are grantcart goclark Dec 2012 #265

A DU Obama critic speaks! Just like I predicted in my post #41. Sad, really. nt. OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #58

Not really. It did not take a genius to figure out what would happen. Jennicut Dec 2012 #64

Your ongoing intense dislike of Obama is duly noted. kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #68

Ah, BULLSHIT. cliffordu Dec 2012 #94

That's crap. He KNOWS who he's dealing with. Better than anyone in the blogosphere. -nt CakeGrrl Dec 2012 #122

I just choked a little... Javaman Dec 2012 #127

We make our own luck. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #130

I agree and it has set a precedent that SS is a bargaining chip. nt Mojorabbit Dec 2012 #173

Trump? Is that you? fried eggs Dec 2012 #180

No, WE got lucky. truebluegreen Dec 2012 #190

+1 bloomington-lib Dec 2012 #203

"sick of this chess-playing nine-moves-ahead nonsense.If Obama really wanted to sink the Republican" stklurker Dec 2012 #221

Only bargaining chip freetrucker53 Dec 2012 #231

Fine. truebluegreen Dec 2012 #248

+ 1 n/t ejbr Dec 2012 #273

and "Chance favors the prepared mind". quaker bill Dec 2012 #194

To use one of your favorite terms...pathetic. Barack_America Dec 2012 #210

Same old cali. Never pleased about anything. [nt] Jester Messiah Dec 2012 #214

He must be the luckiest motherfucker on the PLANET lol snooper2 Dec 2012 #238

The sooner you admit you've been wrong about Obama all along, the sooner the healing can begin. MjolnirTime Dec 2012 #252

Will never happen. The delusional wing of the left. Similar to Tea Baggers, just different jargon. emulatorloo Dec 2012 #280

So? What's next Mr. President are you going to cut defense? I doubt it. xtraxritical Dec 2012 #263

Seriously? mimi85 Dec 2012 #264

Yeah, because who could have ever guessed that a gang of rabid shitweasels ... 11 Bravo Dec 2012 #306

Here come's the "cliff" MNBrewer Dec 2012 #4

Agreed customerserviceguy Dec 2012 #111

The president just got lucky like the bpositive Dec 2012 #5

what else can it be but luck, I mean he's not smart or anything. Whisp Dec 2012 #86

Kenyan Voodoo of some kind jberryhill Dec 2012 #223

wait a minute... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #7

Maybe not a death spiral Flatpicker Dec 2012 #44

hmmm... good point... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #52

I figure Flatpicker Dec 2012 #82

Well said... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #96

They didn't really try to pass it because they knew ... eppur_se_muova Dec 2012 #234

that's kind of mean to the turtle. a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #235

Heh ismnotwasm Dec 2012 #244

K&R MineralMan Dec 2012 #8

this board goes apeshit whenever sausage is being made.... spanone Dec 2012 #9

lols. Boner's sausage looks a bit flaccid about now n/t Whisp Dec 2012 #84

Haha. Can't stop laughing - n/t coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #108

LOL! OneGrassRoot Dec 2012 #204

Wait...What?! Kahuna Dec 2012 #285

+1 Kahuna Dec 2012 #284

America will be fucked if any part of social security is on the table for Boner indepat Dec 2012 #10

I'm with you on this. Gotta love Obama, but won't play poker with him. Frustratedlady Dec 2012 #11

I, too, couldn't believe the ear-ear smile... ReRe Dec 2012 #220

Let us thank the Lord MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #13

^^^ This ^^^ WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #16

I'd rather thank the Lord Summer Hathaway Dec 2012 #18

This Solomon Dec 2012 #73

Exactly. But, blind hatred doesn't allow some to acknowledge this^^^^! Tarheel_Dem Dec 2012 #169

What I find astounding Summer Hathaway Dec 2012 #171

I laugh at 'em. They are as comical as the teabaggers who call the president.... Tarheel_Dem Dec 2012 #175

Oh, I hear ya! Summer Hathaway Dec 2012 #183

I thought the Democrats were the enemy? joshcryer Dec 2012 #200

he is not a terrible negotiator Enrique Dec 2012 #15

I guess you are right if he didnt want single payer health insurance. nm rhett o rick Dec 2012 #166

I second that madokie Dec 2012 #17

For every OP like this, there are a half dozen saying it ain't good enough. freshwest Dec 2012 #172

There was no need to put SS on the table and I don't trust him to not do it again. forestpath Dec 2012 #19

If Obama's plan is to cut SS, he SUCKS at it. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #23

I know! I was starting to get worried Voice for Peace Dec 2012 #38

And to be fair ... JoePhilly Dec 2012 #95

well i was just freaking out on another thread. I admit it. BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2012 #123

The truly stupid thing about messing with SS is the people who receive it ... BlueJazz Dec 2012 #40

Proceed Speaker mcar Dec 2012 #20

Looks like Obama caved on caving. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #21

Master Spelunker, that Obama. n/t Whisp Dec 2012 #22

I think it is fascinating on the fringes of both parties.... Liberal Veteran Dec 2012 #43

ironically our fringe contiues a valued service in making the President look grantcart Dec 2012 #51

I'd say they make him look reasoned and thoughtful rather than simply ideological. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #87

Mmm hmm. Need to show in a hurry you're making concessions that piss off the left? Barack_America Dec 2012 #211

And both think he hates the middle class. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #80

He still offered it up. cui bono Dec 2012 #138

You sure about that? Hekate Dec 2012 #170

Jay Carney said that PBO put it in his proposal. At the Republican's request. cui bono Dec 2012 #291

BS. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #212

... Scurrilous Dec 2012 #246

Talk about BS. cui bono Dec 2012 #290

Thanks appacom Dec 2012 #303

Because he knew Alfuso Dec 2012 #281

And now it is out there to be put on the table at any time. cui bono Dec 2012 #292

Thats why Berserker Dec 2012 #24

It's the Mayan Gopocalypse!! nolabear Dec 2012 #25

K&R nt ProudProgressiveNow Dec 2012 #26

I think tht is more the fault with a limp Boehner in the Speaker's chair than Obama. Agnosticsherbet Dec 2012 #27

Obama has been capable of counting to 218 at least since 2nd grade Recursion Dec 2012 #28

HUH? Because the Teabagger Mob in the House Iggy Dec 2012 #29

They knew exactly who they were talking to. WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #32

Nope, sorry. You just don't put SS on the table as a Dem. You just don't. cui bono Dec 2012 #145

Agree with you and the real Democrats were livid the SS system was put into play. byeya Dec 2012 #216

Yes, counting to 218 passes for good negotiation. It's something most on DU seem incapable of. Recursion Dec 2012 #42

I Intend to Continue.. Iggy Dec 2012 #56

I'm sorely tempted Control-Z Dec 2012 #30

Are you implying that he knew this would happen? NashvilleLefty Dec 2012 #31

But... but... counting to 218 takes such incredible skills... Recursion Dec 2012 #54

The Prexy plays rope-a-dope riqster Dec 2012 #33

If he didn't put a gradual defunding of the program that has kept older Americans alive amandabeech Dec 2012 #188

I trust him. You, apparently, do not. riqster Dec 2012 #208

It's time to say good bye to the Orange man! sheshe2 Dec 2012 #36

but Cantor will be a new smarmy horror Voice for Peace Dec 2012 #45

I know... sheshe2 Dec 2012 #63

Damn right! But, mark my words, this will not quiet Obama's DU critics. nt. OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #41

I still haven't received my pony. Liberal Veteran Dec 2012 #49

Of course not--PBO's real world actions in one sense Surya Gayatri Dec 2012 #65

Nor will it dissuade him from his efforts to cut SS which has nothing to do with the deficit. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #103

Nor should it. n/t leeroysphitz Dec 2012 #193

turn on CNBC and listen to every conservative lambast Boehner grantcart Dec 2012 #46

Spontaneous Combustion! sheshe2 Dec 2012 #106

Ah... 3 Dimensional Chess... What A Game... Remember How We Fooled 'Em Into The Public Option ??? WillyT Dec 2012 #47

I hate to say it, but I saw this coming. I did not comment on the doom threads, as bad as it looked. Gregorian Dec 2012 #69

I Have Always Said That I Hope I Am Wrong About My Suspicions... WillyT Dec 2012 #77

And we're supposed to raise a massive public outcry against bad ideas. If we don't speak up, Overseas Dec 2012 #112

and yet you jump to the absolute worst conclusion at the drop of a hat. MjolnirTime Dec 2012 #255

LOL !!! I Have NO Personal Animosity For Obama... WillyT Dec 2012 #268

you act like you haven't been posting the same crap around here for years. MjolnirTime Dec 2012 #304

Said The Guy Who Got Here, Thu Oct 13, 2011, 04:11 AM WillyT Dec 2012 #305

You guys always get pissed when someone actually recalls what you have been doing. Why is that? MjolnirTime Dec 2012 #308

Ditto. What if the GOP had actually gone for it this time? What then? GreenPartyVoter Dec 2012 #206

Regarding the chained CPI....As a Democrat, you *never* offer to cut Social Security TheProgressive Dec 2012 #48

They knew the GOP couldn't accept the chained-CPI option because the GOP is never going.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #55

Then, there was no reason at all for Obama to 'put it on the table'... TheProgressive Dec 2012 #62

I don't recall that the President ever personally put chained CPI on the table.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #91

No offense, but it is naive to think Obama did not put it on the table... TheProgressive Dec 2012 #97

How about thinking Presidential-level politics is a lot more complex than you evidently believe? nt OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #101

I won;t get into a pissing contest with you - you put something on the table then, TheProgressive Dec 2012 #105

People say a lot of things in public but very little of it actually becomes reality.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #124

At that point it will be too late. cui bono Dec 2012 #141

The person you are having an exchange with does not believe that Carney cui bono Dec 2012 #142

pelosi herself called it "the president's plan" HiPointDem Dec 2012 #196

Exactly! +1 cui bono Dec 2012 #139

I said as much yesterday. liberalmuse Dec 2012 #50

Our President plays 3 Dimensional Chess melody Dec 2012 #57

Oh gawd... cui bono Dec 2012 #146

This was supposed to be a disputing argument? melody Dec 2012 #158

I love that my cogent reply was removed, but yours was allowed to remain. melody Dec 2012 #229

His opponents were playing Candyland. Jester Messiah Dec 2012 #215

Yup, pouting in the corner n/t melody Dec 2012 #230

that is like saying that whomever plays the Chiefs on a given Sunday knows how to play football dsc Dec 2012 #59

Hm... WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #74

They couldn't agree to their own speaker's $1 million tax hike; of course $400,000 was impossible alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #88

Clearly solara Dec 2012 #136

Yeah, Will. I am a good bluffer. When I can remember how, I love to play poker. juajen Dec 2012 #152

Go Raiders Jamaal510 Dec 2012 #253

The President plays chess while we all whine moan and complain about him caving loyalkydem Dec 2012 #60

Well put. n/t melody Dec 2012 #159

sure, he's just been yanking the chains of seniors, people that care about them stupidicus Dec 2012 #61

You know, Dyedinthewoolliberal Dec 2012 #66

I agree with you: it would be so ungracious Hekate Dec 2012 #174

Obama: Wiser than a tree full of owls. DemoTex Dec 2012 #67

I avoid DU when the Obama bashers are on a rage Loudestlib Dec 2012 #70

Ditto.. This place has been very appealing for me the past few days. Kahuna Dec 2012 #286

K&R flamingdem Dec 2012 #71

So... BarackTheVote Dec 2012 #72

This message was self-deleted by its author PragmaticLiberal Dec 2012 #75

I am always willing to do a happy dance at a Republican fail. Lone_Star_Dem Dec 2012 #76

yes proceed.. Mockingjay Dec 2012 #78

Eleventy-dimensional chess ... Not the good way CranialRectaLoopback Dec 2012 #81

And just a week or two ago, the Senate repubs had to veto their own bill arcane1 Dec 2012 #83

I'm rather new here but..... OkieLib41 Dec 2012 #85

Not chicken, but follow the leader CranialRectaLoopback Dec 2012 #90

Right. Good luck with that train of thought. nt. OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #100

I will enjoy serving you crow, my friend CranialRectaLoopback Dec 2012 #143

They couldn't. WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #92

That's sounds childish. GeorgeGist Dec 2012 #104

And it was a stupid offer. cui bono Dec 2012 #147

The GOP is not about to publicly agree to eliminating the massive tax cuts to their.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #99

You are exaclty right. cui bono Dec 2012 #148

Excellent point!! Welcome to DU!!! nt DearHeart Dec 2012 #165

They could have, and it would've likely slid right into being policy. Marr Dec 2012 #323

I read somewhere that he is a good poker playing maybe he was bluffing kimbutgar Dec 2012 #93

Boner tried to draw to an inside straight. Oops! ROTFLMAO! - n/t coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #113

No shit. Thank you, Will. And for those naysayers, where's the babylonsister Dec 2012 #102

You had better hope they don't end up taking anything similar to Obama's original offer MessiahRp Dec 2012 #109

I don't get where Boehner's failure = Obama's success MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #110

I don't know the first thing about poker, but I sure am glad boner Autumn Dec 2012 #114

Its the freaking anxiety..... Historic NY Dec 2012 #115

Egads-- remember when Archie Bunker and his BS was a joke??? ailsagirl Dec 2012 #116

Next year Repubs: "Obama himself offered to it..." Bonobo Dec 2012 #117

They're dead. Dead, dead, dead. Canuckistanian Dec 2012 #118

We "won" what exactly? We shrewdly got what saying sit and spin would have from the last shit deal TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #119

. dionysus Dec 2012 #133

Did the American people get music lessons? Is that what your response means? TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #250

BRAVO. If there are more like you in Kentucky, I'm moving there! AMAZING response. Wish I said that. BigBearJohn Dec 2012 #295

Ditto nt freedom fighter jh Dec 2012 #299

We could use more, come on down. TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #309

It was a thing of beauty Politicub Dec 2012 #120

Too many here have always thought the worst of Obama first Gman Dec 2012 #121

And this post exemplifies how fucked our party's compass is. woo me with science Dec 2012 #125

Thank you! cui bono Dec 2012 #149

This is SUCH a great post. I wish I could pin it to DU forever. PLEASE make an OP of it. nt Bonobo Dec 2012 #154

Done woo me with science Dec 2012 #156

The Dems have been cheering Pyhrric victories at least since Clinton n/t deutsey Dec 2012 #217

And? MFrohike Dec 2012 #126

K&R. byronius Dec 2012 #128

sometimes, good things come to those who wait. juajen Dec 2012 #129

I am the first to defend Obama DonCoquixote Dec 2012 #132

I see this more as Boner's weakness than as Obama's strength customerserviceguy Dec 2012 #134

So DU is ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #135

It's not about being on Obama's side or not. cui bono Dec 2012 #151

No offense but ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #155

so cutting SS is being on the people's side? cui bono Dec 2012 #157

And given all that, he's at damn near 60% job approval. Go figure..... Tarheel_Dem Dec 2012 #179

Because the general public was relieved to get a Dem to replace GWB cui bono Dec 2012 #315

No one is "cutting SS". Oh, the drama! Tarheel_Dem Dec 2012 #317

New question then maybe you'll answer the original one and others in that list. cui bono Dec 2012 #319

Obama didn't run against Bush. The candidate this year was MITT ROMNEY! Tarheel_Dem Dec 2012 #320

Who said Obama ran against Bush? That has nothing at all to do with what I'm saying. cui bono Dec 2012 #321

These points are well taken Stewland Dec 2012 #298

CORRECT Skittles Dec 2012 #161

Obama has still put SS on the table more than once now. cui bono Dec 2012 #137

I have to agree, senseandsensibility Dec 2012 #144

No sheet changing, eh??? And I mean that in the nicest way possible, Will. msanthrope Dec 2012 #150

At some point, is Obama going to give up his plan to reduce SS by using a chained-CPI? AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #153

I keep thinking something is up, that we don't know the whole story Skittles Dec 2012 #160

Sounds more like the Republican Party knows how to stick to its guns while we throw the Fearless Dec 2012 #162

This is better, how? caseymoz Dec 2012 #164

Hitler? DonCoquixote Dec 2012 #167

I only said Hitler had a lucky streak . . . caseymoz Dec 2012 #184

point noted DonCoquixote Dec 2012 #186

I figured this would happen agentS Dec 2012 #168

Not to be too contrary, tavalon Dec 2012 #176

K&R. cliffordu Dec 2012 #177

Thank you Will Hekate Dec 2012 #178

The president agreed to harm social security quakerboy Dec 2012 #181

there's still 10 more days to go hfojvt Dec 2012 #182

Really all we have to go by is his previous deals with the republicans AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #185

Rec #184 lamp_shade Dec 2012 #187

All due respect - bullshit Cosmocat Dec 2012 #189

Confusing people with facts is an old tactic..... Rowdyboy Dec 2012 #191

This is absolute bullshit. aandegoons Dec 2012 #192

The President only cares about "the deal" T Roosevelt Dec 2012 #197

lawl, didn't you know, it's all over! joshcryer Dec 2012 #198

So there's a deal now? Social Security is no longer on any table and never will be? Bluenorthwest Dec 2012 #199

Great? joshcryer Dec 2012 #201

There is no deal. The objective of these negotiations was not 'no deal and Boehner looks bad' Bluenorthwest Dec 2012 #205

Well said and I have the same question Liberalynn Dec 2012 #209

LOL, our side spins shit as bad as the GOP! Obama can do no wrong! Logical Dec 2012 #207

He can do plenty wrong, but generally not from a lack of wits. Barack_America Dec 2012 #213

Will, I've loved your OPs over the years.... blackspade Dec 2012 #218

Yep Eddie Haskell Dec 2012 #219

So because Boner can't get his sheep in a row Obama is genius? truebrit71 Dec 2012 #224

Did I miss something? dawg Dec 2012 #226

The failure of Boehner's Plan B is exactly why Obama should have stood his ground. olegramps Dec 2012 #227

well heaven05 Dec 2012 #228

Kinda like having to beg your spouse everyday to not cheat on ya. jsr Dec 2012 #232

Boehner Johnny2X2X Dec 2012 #233

Bookmarked n/t Oilwellian Dec 2012 #236

Way past time JEB Dec 2012 #237

Sounds like a civics lesson might be in order? Obama has to "negotiate" with the..... Tarheel_Dem Dec 2012 #322

Maybe left leaning voters JEB Dec 2012 #324

There's always the Jill Stein Party, The Roseanne Party, The Rocky Anderson Party. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2012 #326

Just keep sliding to the right? JEB Dec 2012 #327

I voted for BO JEB Dec 2012 #328

MMMMkay! Tarheel_Dem Dec 2012 #329

I am glad of course Liberal1975 Dec 2012 #240

He opened the door to SS cuts while he he didn't have to - bread_and_roses Dec 2012 #241

Kindly tell me how he's going to get back all the concessions he has already offered BlueStreak Dec 2012 #242

generally an offer has to be made again once rejected arely staircase Dec 2012 #313

But they know he is willing to give up chained CPI and at least $400K as the income limit BlueStreak Dec 2012 #314

there is nothing to get back arely staircase Dec 2012 #316

The OP is way overoptimistic. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #243

The Negativity is strong with this one. MjolnirTime Dec 2012 #256

And if they come back and accept his previous offer? ibegurpard Dec 2012 #245

DOOOOOOMED! DOOOOOOOOOMED! MynameisBlarney Dec 2012 #247

i see the "obama lost the first debate" folks still don`t get it madrchsod Dec 2012 #249

If I spoke for the GOP, I would just say I couldn't accept a deal that would affect Social Security. djean111 Dec 2012 #251

To be fair, is it really that difficult to outwit the GOP? AnnieK401 Dec 2012 #254

"They think with their guns." Jamaal510 Dec 2012 #258

Thank you! Enthusiastic kicked and rec'd. BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #257

Tell the two million unemployed that lose benefits at the end of the year about the negotiatons. former9thward Dec 2012 #259

They tell us they are going to give us pain if we don't give them what they want nolabels Dec 2012 #262

K&R closeupready Dec 2012 #260

Spin this: Luschnig Dec 2012 #261

Splain for us devoid of negotiating skills. Baitball Blogger Dec 2012 #266

Here's more. FiveGoodMen Dec 2012 #267

They were playing taps for Boehner on NPR this morning. Robb Dec 2012 #269

"I agree with you, I want to do it, now make me do it." Obama sulphurdunn Dec 2012 #270

Yeah, JEB Dec 2012 #325

They say the fight game is won by rounds. I think we just saw round 1. Ford_Prefect Dec 2012 #271

After all the "Obama puts SS on the table" and "Obama is caving" threads, CheapShotArtist Dec 2012 #272

But..Will...he governs for "SOME DEMS"...but not for us ALL Here: KoKo Dec 2012 #274

So awesome! Thanks for posting this! Laughed out loud! Firebrand Gary Dec 2012 #275

Negotiations are entering phase 2, but they aren't over until the deadline is passed. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #277

Did we suddenly get a deal that averts the fiscal cliff, doesn't touch Soc Sec, and Bake Dec 2012 #278

Will: thanks. Getting sick of these negative bullshit lying posts emulatorloo Dec 2012 #279

Because he's negotiating with himself! We were saved from Social Security cuts by..... Boner???? grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #282

Two great Will Pitt threads from the past: Bluenorthwest Dec 2012 #283

So much for Juries WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #288

not me Skittles Dec 2012 #294

YES!! SkyDaddy7 Dec 2012 #296

Meanwhile, back on Planet Earth, bvar22 Dec 2012 #300

+1. "Obama HAS violated the Cardinal Rule: Never Gamble with the Rent Money." grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #307

What Planet Do You Live On? Cause On This Planet, Not Only Have Changes to SS Been Discussed Skraxx Dec 2012 #318

if Obama doesn't pull a first debate on us - he could do tremendous good for this country samsingh Dec 2012 #301

K&R Better late than never, especially around here Number23 Dec 2012 #311

The back tracking is getting ridiculous. Rex Dec 2012 #312