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In reply to the discussion: Look at the Offers. Look at what was never on the table. Real change cannot happen [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)3. Are you panicking?
You keep posting the same nonsense over and over:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2059880
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2059596
I responded here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2059688
Obama's first offer was strong (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021905787). He should have stuck with that.
His third offer sucks, and the problem is he is negotiating with Republicans.
Any, and I mean any, deal out of this Congress is going to suck in some ways. You don't have to be happy, but don't pretend there is an alternative.
I mean, you can close your eyes and pretend that Republicans don't exist and that they're not the majority in the House. You can also play a game in your head where you envision them doing anything to make you happy.
There are only three things coming out of this Congress: a half-bad (or half-good, depending on your perspective) deal, a bad deal or nothing.
You can push for nothing if it's bad, but for the rest you have to decide what's good enough to accept. If that's unacceptable, go back to pushing for nothing.
That's the reality.
An offer is not a deal, which means both sides agree.
The first offer was a really good one that was never going be accepted by Boehner. Anything Boehner accepts that's not out desperation is going to suck, and that's why going over the cliff is seen as the better path.
We can go on all day about the logic behind the President's third offer, but the end result is: no deal. Boehner rejected it.
The President knows something you obviously can't wrap your head around: Boehner can't accept any deal that raises taxes on the rich. He doesn't have the votes.
Report: White House Considers Smaller Fiscal Cliff Deal
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022049743
After a dramatic week, Social Security is again off the table
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022052075
"clearly a plan that favors the rich "
P is for propaganda.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2055558
Obamas small deal could lead to bigger tax increases
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022059947
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Look at the Offers. Look at what was never on the table. Real change cannot happen [View all]
woo me with science
Dec 2012
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POTUS Obama stated Obama'My Policies Are So Mainstream' I'd Be A 'Moderate Republican of the 1980s"
PufPuf23
Dec 2012
#50
Your claims have been debunked many times and in many threads, so I see
coalition_unwilling
Dec 2012
#13
You are right, of course, "until we are honest about what we are being fed here" real
AnotherMcIntosh
Dec 2012
#21
You are right on and have wooed me with science and overwhelming logic. We have
indepat
Dec 2012
#68
Please point me to the official word that chained CPI is still not on the table
MotherPetrie
Dec 2012
#31
Austerity is the agenda item for both parties. It'll cause pain among workers but the untra wealthy
byeya
Dec 2012
#23
Yes, It Is Panicking, It Is Realizing There Will Never, Ever Be The Cuts It's Been Predicting Since
Skraxx
Dec 2012
#72
Well said. That's why we need to keep saying, "Look at the Offers."
woo me with science
Dec 2012
#14
Very important post. People in other nations have already seen how austerity kills.
woo me with science
Dec 2012
#44
"The comfort of the rich depends upon an abundant supply of the poor." Voltaire
Tierra_y_Libertad
Dec 2012
#26
Under Section 4 of the 14th Amendment the president has an independent constitutional obligation not
byeya
Dec 2012
#30
it's the product of the same good cop/bad cop, faux duopoly, janus-like condition in DC
stupidicus
Dec 2012
#53
"Too many of us have been interested in defending programs as written in 1938" BHO - 2006
woo me with science
Dec 2012
#58
"No one in this world, so far as I know — and I have searched the records for years,
Egalitarian Thug
Dec 2012
#67
Perhaps it's not so much a lack of intelligence as it is working 2 or 3 part time jobs;
byeya
Dec 2012
#71
Why is Social Security in ALL of Obama's offers, when it ADDS NOTHING to the deficit???
grahamhgreen
Dec 2012
#77