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Wed Dec 26, 2012, 07:19 PM

4. Where to start?

 

Oh yeah...when the Kentucky Long Rifle was sold, it was not sold to anybody. There is more, guns were sold in the open market to the same aristocratic class across Europe. The rabble in neither country (well colonies) was allowed to own guns.

After independence it was a hanging offense to have a rifle if you were from certain grous, see slaves. Oh yes, slaves did hunt, with a paper of leave from their master.

Of course gun ownership was very limited for most of the national history. And in the early years, all the way to the civil war, militias still met.

The first spike in gun ownership was at the end of the civil war. The army let troops keep their muskets as they were phasing in the Henry.

Not even that led to wide spread ownership.

In fact, the west had gun control laws that would make the NRA blush.

For the record, Australia, Canada and Europe saw wide spread ownership, or as wide spread as the US.

After WW I we saw a spike in autos used in crime. That led to the 1934 laws. Europe, Canada and Australia saw some limited things we might call gun control.

They were as wide spread as they were in the US.

What changed all this were mass shootings, for example in Australia and Canada...they did the rational thing, and had buy back programs and controls. This is recent.

We are not that special or different and the Second is about militias.

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