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In reply to the discussion: I'm bipolar (or possibly PTSD), spent 3 weeks in the psych ward -- can/should I buy a gun? [View all]rrneck
(17,671 posts)31. It doesn't matter what I think.
It matters what the court thinks. As I recall, you have to be adjudicated mentally incompetent to lose your right to own a gun. But that could vary from state to state. In California they could "5150" you.
The concept of mental health is fungible. That makes it difficult to adjudicate. It also creates an opportunity for political oppression.
Psychiatry possesses an inherent capacity for abuse that is greater than in other areas of medicine.[10]:65 The diagnosis of mental disease can give the state license to detain persons against their will and insist upon therapy both in the interest of the detainee and in the broader interests of society.[10]:65 In addition, receiving a psychiatric diagnosis can in itself be regarded as oppressive. In a monolithic state, psychiatry can be used to bypass standard legal procedures for establishing guilt or innocence and allow political incarceration without the ordinary odium attaching to such political trials.
Now, that was the Soviet Union, one of the most repressive dictatorships in one of the most barbaric eras in human history, so the concept of political oppression through psychiatry is absurd, right? Thomas Eagleton ran into some difficulty because of allegations regarding his mental health. Running against a guy named Richard Nixon. Remember Daniel Ellsburg?
In August 1971, Krogh and Young met with G. Gordon Liddy and E. Howard Hunt in a basement office in the Old Executive Office Building. Hunt and Liddy recommended a "covert operation" to get a "mother lode" of information about Ellsberg's mental state in order to discredit him. Krogh and Young sent a memo to Ehrlichman seeking his approval for a "covert operation [to] be undertaken to examine all of the medical files still held by Ellsbergs psychiatrist." Ehrlichman approved under the condition that it be "done under your assurance that it is not traceable."
Given the realities of the George W. Bush administration and the even more disquieting reality that the Republican Party ran an outright fascist for president in the last election, the importance of properly adjudicating the rights of people in a court of law that depends on proper representation and the presentation of evidence to a judge should be obvious.
So, to answer your question whether or not you should be able to own a gun I would say I don't have a clue. Nor should I. It's none of my business. I think a court of law should make it my business. If you're having trouble, I would that you had a proper support network including friends, family, a functioning health care system and a culture that values something more than how much money it can make off you.
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I'm bipolar (or possibly PTSD), spent 3 weeks in the psych ward -- can/should I buy a gun? [View all]
Denninmi
Dec 2012
OP
Depends on state law. In California if you were kept in for more than 72 hours, you are ineligible
slackmaster
Dec 2012
#2
The way things are now, with the right to arms being considered a constitutionally protected right,
jmg257
Dec 2012
#11
Not "being considered" SCOTUS acknowledge that all rights pre-exist our Constitution and do not
jody
Dec 2012
#57
I'll pass, thanks. I understand the notion of rights secured by the Constitution just fine.
jmg257
Dec 2012
#78
I'm content with you recognizing what SCOTUS says is the law & you obey it or suffer the punishment.
jody
Dec 2012
#79
Fine, but what does all that have to do with the OP? What should he/she be able to do re: arms? nt
jmg257
Dec 2012
#80
Perhaps but CO & Wa nullified federal marijuana law. I begin to understand arguments from both sides
jody
Dec 2012
#87
Well, I don't want to give away the farm, so to speak, but my opinion on gun control is this:
Denninmi
Dec 2012
#20
I understand that you are currently seeking treatment for the problems you described in the OP but..
Walk away
Dec 2012
#77
The ignorance on display in Meta was that it was only one poster who held ignorant views
riderinthestorm
Dec 2012
#24
Sometimes it only takes one person to start the ball rolling on change....
riderinthestorm
Dec 2012
#33
riderinthestorm Ignorance is a curable disease, stupidity is a terminal illness. Those who insult and
jody
Dec 2012
#28
Agreed. I don't think people thought they were insulting. A "national database" of mentally ill
riderinthestorm
Dec 2012
#39
Not just NRA, Mayor Menino of Boston and Mayor Bloomberg of New York City, cochairmen of Mayors
jody
Dec 2012
#54
Yes, a continuation of "Adam Lanza MUST have been mentally ill!!!11111" thinking
riderinthestorm
Dec 2012
#67
Emanuel "You never want a serious crisis to go to waste." Repubs lost with Poindexter's IAO and now
jody
Dec 2012
#68
nolabear good analysis. Laughable that people who call themselves progressive are so intolerant. nt
jody
Dec 2012
#26
Bullshit. You can't possibly make this judgment. You don't have nearly enough info
cali
Dec 2012
#35
yes you are slinging BS, if you are a commerical pilot on anti-depressents you don't fly air planes
Resonance_Chamber
Dec 2012
#46
The question is whether mental illness by itself is the criteria to use to make this determination.
backscatter712
Dec 2012
#38
Your diagnosis is something of a red herring, I think, insofar as anyone who wants
coalition_unwilling
Dec 2012
#45
Anyone wanting to vote must "pass first a rigorous licensing regimen (perhaps with a mental health
jody
Dec 2012
#59
Hmm, after seeing some of the commentary on Yahoo's boards and other
coalition_unwilling
Dec 2012
#60
Please add "sheer ignorance and outright delusional thinking right here on DU". nt
jody
Dec 2012
#61
If a friend with PTSD or depression were to ask me that question, my suggestion would be "no".
lumberjack_jeff
Dec 2012
#73
The NRA say more guns = good, and we certainly have to keep up with the Jonses
Fire Walk With Me
Dec 2012
#74
A vet with PTSD (I think went to the clinic I did) arrested today for shooting police officer
HereSince1628
Dec 2012
#81
If you have not been adjudicated a danger to yourself or others, it is your right.
X_Digger
Dec 2012
#85
Can you? Yes. Should you? Unlike virtually everyone else at DU, I alone lack ...
11 Bravo
Dec 2012
#86
Even though I may have stayed at a Holiday Inn Express, I am still in no position to evaluate you
madinmaryland
Dec 2012
#88