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27. Every firearms dealer has a 'bound book' that is a record of every gun he has bought and sold.
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 09:23 PM
Dec 2012

The BATF can walk into his store at any time and demand to see his bound book, and god help him if his inventory doesn't match up with his records. That's how businesses get regulated.


Bob and Alice have been married for twenty glorious years. Bob wants to take up target shooting so Alice decides to give him a gun for his birthday. Alice goes to the store with the make and model of the gun he wants, fills out the paperwork pays for the gun and leaves. She gives him his present over dinner that evening.

Bob and Alice have been living together for five years. The neighborhood is going downhill and they can't afford to move, so they decide to get a gun. Since Bob is a truck driver and is often away from home, he tells Alice what to buy and she makes the purchase.

Bob and Alice hooked up at a rave and fell madly in love. Bob thinks guns are cool so Alice goes to the store and buys him one.

Bob and Alice broke up because Alice found out about Cathy. She kicked Bob's cheating ass out but kept the gun. Alice meets John and falls madly in love with him and gives him the gun as a gift.


I could write scenarios like that all night. There is no way the guy selling the gun to Alice will know what kind of relationship she has with Bob or anybody else. There is almost no way to distinguish a legitimate relationship between two people and a straw purchase at the point of sale.

Now, if you want to require background checks on firearms transfers between private parties, you have to record chain of custody. Which is to say, you have to turn every firearm owner into a firearms dealer with all the rights and responsibilities thereof. Even if you make access to the NICS system available to private citizens, anybody who wants to circumvent the system will do so unless you attach some means of verification and penalties for non compliance. Otherwise when the cops come knocking people will just say "I gave it away/there was a tragic boating accident/it was stolen/I dunno what happened to it" or whatever other lie they can think up and nobody will be able to prove otherwise or prosecute them for selling the gun to the wrong person.

Remember the bound book? If you turn every firearm owner into an FFL you will have to allow the BATF to have access to their private residence at any time. The government can walk into your home at any time and demand to see your records. That idea will go over in this country like a turd in a punchbowl. Any political party responsible for that law will get a one way bus ticket to the political wilderness.

Corrections and amplifications of how the firearms distribution systems works are warmly solicited.
Good lord. bluerum Dec 2012 #1
submit it to your congresscritter backwoodsbob Dec 2012 #2
already did farminator3000 Dec 2012 #9
"you are allowed 3 guns and 20 bullets total" Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #3
BWAHahaha... perfect response. nt OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #20
You may not believe this rrneck Dec 2012 #4
oh, i do believe it farminator3000 Dec 2012 #10
Insurance and license only needed on to operate on public roads. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #13
i agree farminator3000 Dec 2012 #16
Cars are not designed to kill. rrneck Dec 2012 #15
guns are killing machines farminator3000 Dec 2012 #17
If you want to do a point by point discussion rrneck Dec 2012 #19
no, i don't farminator3000 Dec 2012 #21
Of course you don't have to write the entire law. rrneck Dec 2012 #22
neither do you farminator3000 Dec 2012 #23
Every firearms dealer has a 'bound book' that is a record of every gun he has bought and sold. rrneck Dec 2012 #27
hope you enjoyed pasting that farminator3000 Dec 2012 #28
So you got nothing. Alrighty then. rrneck Dec 2012 #29
less than nothing. farminator3000 Dec 2012 #30
I'll say it again. rrneck Dec 2012 #31
yes. and again and again and again farminator3000 Dec 2012 #32
Prove it. Stamping your foot ain't proof. rrneck Dec 2012 #33
i am not stamping anything,i am typing words which i put together myself, farminator3000 Dec 2012 #38
Here's some more help for you. rrneck Dec 2012 #39
thank you for bumping my thread farminator3000 Dec 2012 #40
Well, you're efficient. rrneck Dec 2012 #41
Anyone who says gun ownership in America is a privilege... derby378 Dec 2012 #37
Please define "Bullets". nt jal777 Dec 2012 #5
Switzerand is worth watching nt. shintao Dec 2012 #6
That would actually be scaling BACK gun laws Union Scribe Dec 2012 #7
i am flexible farminator3000 Dec 2012 #11
These seems like arbitrary limits. aikoaiko Dec 2012 #8
you have to start somewhere? farminator3000 Dec 2012 #14
It HAS started somewhere. beevul Dec 2012 #24
i mean in reality, like today and tomorrow? farminator3000 Dec 2012 #25
Just admit guardian Dec 2012 #12
obviously! farminator3000 Dec 2012 #18
Good Start - Next We Repeal The 2nd Amendment And Criminalize All Gun Ownership cantbeserious Dec 2012 #26
get off it farminator3000 Dec 2012 #34
And Your Point Would Be What? cantbeserious Dec 2012 #35
that you are being over-dramatic farminator3000 Dec 2012 #36
Cars Not Equal To Firearms, False Equivalency, Nice Try At Redirection, Not Falling For That NRA Ruse cantbeserious Dec 2012 #42
you are definitely serious. seriously weird. farminator3000 Dec 2012 #43
Seriously, I Have The Same Opinion Of You And Other Gun Owners And Gun Apologists cantbeserious Dec 2012 #44
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