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In reply to the discussion: Victim Blaming. 2012: the year when it became okay to blame victims of sexual assault [View all]CrispyQ
(36,421 posts)47. Well worth the time to read!
I especially liked this section:
This is a symptom of a morally sick society. Its a society that absolutely refuses to force men to be responsible for their own sexual behavior or its consequences. Men certainly have a choice in the abortion and birth control debate too. Each and every one of them. And that choice is located precisely at their pants zipper. But after they decide at that time and location, their part of any choice is done. Any choosing beyond that point is up to her. His choice ends there. But his responsibility for the consequence of his choice should not. If a man gets a woman pregnant, regardless how he does it, he should be held financially responsible by law:
If a pregnancy results, then he must now help raise that child (and yes, he or his immediate family should be forced to financially support the child);
He or his family must pay for a safe, legal abortion if the woman he impregnated wants it (NO it doesnt matter if he is against abortion. He should have thought of that before he unzipped the zipper. Remember hes made his choice already. Now its up to her);
If he gave the woman an STD, he or his family must be held financially responsible for treatment for both of them, particularly if the STD is HIV, which is deadly;
If he raped the woman, then he or his family must pay for any psychological counseling for his victim if she requires it, and she most certainly will.
Again, men have a choice its located at their pants zipper. That is the location and the scope of their choice in the matter and its time society started both teaching and enforcing this principle. Males should be taught from early puberty that their choice in the matter of abortion and contraception begins and ends right there. But their responsibility for any consequences of their choice absolutely does not end there. There is no moral or legal reason that it should. Except of course that men mostly make our laws and they make them such that it is convenient for them to pawn financial responsibility and social blame for the consequences and costs of their own behavior and lack of self-control onto the women of our society.
If a pregnancy results, then he must now help raise that child (and yes, he or his immediate family should be forced to financially support the child);
He or his family must pay for a safe, legal abortion if the woman he impregnated wants it (NO it doesnt matter if he is against abortion. He should have thought of that before he unzipped the zipper. Remember hes made his choice already. Now its up to her);
If he gave the woman an STD, he or his family must be held financially responsible for treatment for both of them, particularly if the STD is HIV, which is deadly;
If he raped the woman, then he or his family must pay for any psychological counseling for his victim if she requires it, and she most certainly will.
Again, men have a choice its located at their pants zipper. That is the location and the scope of their choice in the matter and its time society started both teaching and enforcing this principle. Males should be taught from early puberty that their choice in the matter of abortion and contraception begins and ends right there. But their responsibility for any consequences of their choice absolutely does not end there. There is no moral or legal reason that it should. Except of course that men mostly make our laws and they make them such that it is convenient for them to pawn financial responsibility and social blame for the consequences and costs of their own behavior and lack of self-control onto the women of our society.
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Victim Blaming. 2012: the year when it became okay to blame victims of sexual assault [View all]
PeaceNikki
Dec 2012
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We've become an ass-backward society wherein victims are often blamed and it cuts across
RKP5637
Dec 2012
#1
We see it here on DU. So much focus is placed on what the VICTIM could/should have done differently
PeaceNikki
Dec 2012
#2
I could not believe what I was seeing on that thread yesterday, on something that is supposed
niyad
Dec 2012
#9
When the only point you discuss is what the victim could have done differently, you're blaming the
PeaceNikki
Dec 2012
#38
and thinking the majority of rape victims are dressed in scimpy outfit or naked is wishful thinking.
seabeyond
Dec 2012
#82
i just cannot take the time to explain why you are so wrong here. comments like these are pretty
seabeyond
Dec 2012
#89
As a woman, I dispute the hypothesis here: women have long been blamed for assaults on them.
s-cubed
Dec 2012
#14
Agree. That's why I added "I don't think it's a new phenomenon or isolated to sexual abuse, either."
PeaceNikki
Dec 2012
#15
I think she's saying that 2012 wasn't 'the year', but that it's always been that way.
PeaceNikki
Dec 2012
#17
i think like with racism, in the earlier decades starting at 80's it was not pc to say this outloud.
seabeyond
Dec 2012
#18
I think you're right. As the generation who fought for equal rights ages, those behind it have no
PeaceNikki
Dec 2012
#21
So Sharia law would well for you? All women keep everything covered up or they are asking for it?
L0oniX
Dec 2012
#72
Definitely!!! I'm absolutely amazed as we move into the 21st century that this backward crap still
RKP5637
Dec 2012
#30
i think the greater fear is the independence and progress women have made and the fear men have
seabeyond
Dec 2012
#19
I think we as Democrats are guilty of this, too. And we should take responsibility to change this.
PeaceNikki
Dec 2012
#28
in the early 2000's my issue was religion and hate on liberals. last couple years it has been hate
seabeyond
Dec 2012
#32
And, for that, you have my utmost respect. I know you're a strong ally in the fight for women.
PeaceNikki
Dec 2012
#35
I think all motivation, and hence control, stems from fear ... and the republicans, ... and the
RKP5637
Dec 2012
#27
women have gained too much freedom and independence. this is the backlash. nt
seabeyond
Dec 2012
#56