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fudr trolls most of them, they have GOP memes down pat uponit7771 Dec 2012 #1
Exactly....... FarPoint Dec 2012 #27
Yeah AgingAmerican Jan 2013 #124
I've never been asked to serve on as many DU juries because of the gun "fans" being sensitive. Michigan Alum Jan 2013 #130
What gets me AgingAmerican Jan 2013 #157
tend to agree dembotoz Dec 2012 #2
Disagree. The NRA's power is an illusion and as the People are now awakened change will come. Scuba Dec 2012 #3
part illusion and part bribes! farminator3000 Dec 2012 #5
I think ban on sale of high capacity magazines is doable as is extending database surveillance HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #6
I suspect the NRA's intransigence on this topic will result in a backlash that goes far beyond ... Scuba Dec 2012 #10
Indeed, correct. shintao Dec 2012 #17
It really isn't about 2A or mental illness or securing schools Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #55
It already has been turned over to emotions ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #4
there is no dialog as there seems to be extremes on both sides loli phabay Dec 2012 #9
I think intentionally colorful language is often inflammatory for combustible topics. HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #28
With respect, opinions like yours are a huge part of the problem Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #64
Yep laundry_queen Dec 2012 #75
no my guns like my cars are tools that i use everyday. both have the ability to be misused loli phabay Dec 2012 #92
If you see cars and guns as the same, maybe you should have neither Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #95
my cars transport me and my guns feed me and allow me to protect my crops and livestock loli phabay Dec 2012 #96
Exactly. One transports you and the other kills for you. Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #97
so its still a tool like my vehicles and both can be dangerous if misused loli phabay Dec 2012 #98
Of course it's a tool. A killing tool Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #99
no its a tool i use to kill stuff with and they do it well loli phabay Dec 2012 #100
I have no argument with any of that. Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #105
well seeing as i see more deaths and injuries involving cars and the idiotic stuff people do loli phabay Dec 2012 #108
No, because your point is fallacious. Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #113
A car is a tool which requires a license rbixby Dec 2012 #106
depends on the rules governing it. still not going to stop criminals though loli phabay Dec 2012 #110
Makes 'em easier to find though rbixby Dec 2012 #116
Wow. Looks like you agree with the republicans Kingofalldems Jan 2013 #139
Criminals steal cars all the time, but few criminals use cars for killing sprees. Erose999 Jan 2013 #155
It's all subjective. Crackinrocket Dec 2012 #111
Actually, it isn't subjective. Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #118
And when cars aren't used correctly and people die you just say rl6214 Jan 2013 #133
Cars run on petroleum. Our addiction to that kills a lot more people than our addiction to guns Recursion Jan 2013 #147
2 wrongs don't make a right Starboard Tack Jan 2013 #156
A gun is not a tool. It is designed to kill. Kingofalldems Jan 2013 #120
Right. Emotion has no place in this debate. baldguy Jan 2013 #143
what discussion? backwoodsbob Dec 2012 #7
This is what I've seen. I do not own guns but know people who hunt for food they need KittyWampus Dec 2012 #14
yup and basing laws on emotions has always worked out well loli phabay Dec 2012 #15
It isn't only about gun owners atreides1 Dec 2012 #72
You summed it up.nt Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #150
+1000 SpartanDem Dec 2012 #62
in a country of 300+million the nra has less the 4 million members.... spanone Dec 2012 #8
+1 Scuba Dec 2012 #12
The majority of the 80 million gun owners do not belong to the NRA but ... spin Dec 2012 #83
if nothing else we'll prob get a modest AWB and a ban on high cap clips NightWatcher Dec 2012 #11
And the problem is,,,,,,,,,,, shintao Dec 2012 #21
I believe you are correct, Jenoch Dec 2012 #25
Where are the votes for it? LAGC Dec 2012 #85
He didn't stop to reload, he stopped when his gun jammed because of rl6214 Jan 2013 #134
The level of discourse? I've seen perfectly reasonable gun owners virtually lynched here on DU. KittyWampus Dec 2012 #13
I've been afraid to even post an opinion. OnionPatch Dec 2012 #34
There are lots we can and should do in addition to gun control. morningfog Dec 2012 #48
I don't oppose gun control at all! OnionPatch Dec 2012 #89
And those are fringe nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #91
Really? Straw Man Jan 2013 #121
Yes, they are very vocal, but seriously nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #125
People like NB here are much more common but much less vocal Recursion Jan 2013 #141
certain guns are mass killing mechanisms G_j Dec 2012 #16
Thanks for this cheerful, helpful post. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #18
You're tossing it all in based on a biased, poorly representative sample MadHound Dec 2012 #19
The movie idea is the worst thing we could do... ecstatic Dec 2012 #20
There doesn't have to be a next one: Secure Schools nt. shintao Dec 2012 #22
When a child witnesses a real life HockeyMom Jan 2013 #151
I started a thread asking about taking guns from law enforcement officers. closeupready Dec 2012 #23
It is highly likely that Jenoch Dec 2012 #35
I'd appreciate it if you'd stop making assumptions about me. closeupready Dec 2012 #40
so you think gun owners should take a six month training course like cops do? And have their bettyellen Dec 2012 #44
DU runs on emotions. rrneck Dec 2012 #24
Circumvent the 2nd Amendment crap.....the best idea I've heard is to TheDebbieDee Dec 2012 #26
that's not circumventing, that's infringing on 2nd Amendment. closeupready Dec 2012 #29
But it's legal and wouldn't involve amending the constitution....... TheDebbieDee Dec 2012 #30
Making 'ammo' unaffordable through government taxation infringes on the 2nd Amendment. closeupready Dec 2012 #32
As I said before, taxing ammo doesn't infringe on one's right to bear arms in the least. TheDebbieDee Dec 2012 #33
You're not just taxing it, you're are taxing it to make it unaffordable. closeupready Dec 2012 #41
Try it. Get legal advice. Form a group. Read 24A. Wait for a SCOTUS ruling. Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #152
That is the stupidest idea I ever heard, make it so only the rich can buy ammo. Some people doc03 Dec 2012 #37
You cant do that backwoodsbob Dec 2012 #80
People would just reload their own ammo. LAGC Dec 2012 #86
I bought a new reloading press tonight that will reload 700 rds per hour rl6214 Jan 2013 #135
The Gun Debate on DU is Not Different Than Other Major Issues Indykatie Dec 2012 #31
And DU is likely much more ready to embrace increase restrictions than the general public. aikoaiko Dec 2012 #36
I know. Check out all the defenders of Dick Gregory. Zax2me Dec 2012 #38
Hope is not lost etherealtruth Dec 2012 #39
For all this talk about "having a conversation" about gun laws in America... derby378 Dec 2012 #42
Utter fucking bullshit. You oppose the most important morningfog Dec 2012 #47
I'm not willing to negotiate our rights away, that is correct derby378 Dec 2012 #51
You are blocking the evolution. morningfog Dec 2012 #57
When in doubt, belittle the opposition derby378 Dec 2012 #60
It was to ridicule the obscene value your ilk give them. morningfog Dec 2012 #63
Nice to know that you have the ability to tell me what my "rights" and "needs" are derby378 Dec 2012 #67
You'd better get busy nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #52
If you're talking about Feinstein's upcoming bill, I don't think it'll gain much traction derby378 Dec 2012 #58
Actually talking the Presidential Commision nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #70
Don't count on it. LAGC Dec 2012 #87
So after a few more mass shootings a march on DC is in order nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #90
Why tie a ban on high-cap mags to a ban on rifles with pistol grips? Recursion Jan 2013 #142
DU gun debate shows Uhhhhhmmerican adults are barely ready for coloring books datasuspect Dec 2012 #43
The reason debate is so difficult is because the issue is already very emotional. ZombieHorde Dec 2012 #45
Fuck the regressive obstructionist anti-regulators. morningfog Dec 2012 #46
Indeed...they still think we should "have a 'reasonable' conversation" with them alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #49
posts like this are why I quit bothering to try backwoodsbob Dec 2012 #81
yup i figure its no point even trying to talk anymore. so i will wait and see what pols say what loli phabay Dec 2012 #93
Boy, if any post is ripe for "shill payment" it is you's. Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #153
A nice example of an "adult conversation" here on DU .... oldhippie Dec 2012 #104
And just duke it out? Or bar the anti-Dem/anti-safety/anti-regulators? morningfog Dec 2012 #114
Yup. Just proves the OP's point ... oldhippie Dec 2012 #115
Bullshit. The NRA and its fans obstruct it. morningfog Dec 2012 #117
And if the republicans said the same thing about abortions or gay rights rl6214 Jan 2013 #136
Repubs are the regressive obstructionists. morningfog Jan 2013 #145
That's a remarkably dangerous position to take. Glaug-Eldare Jan 2013 #146
When a party proves themselves effective at implementing their objectives, their support grows morningfog Jan 2013 #148
Turn the whole thing over to the emotions. ileus Dec 2012 #50
According to a story on a local TV station here in Ohio Boomerproud Dec 2012 #53
Clearly irresponisble people signing up. Riftaxe Dec 2012 #84
America isn't ready for real reform in any direction. Lady Freedom Returns Dec 2012 #54
Exactly what would be your recommended suggestion and how many less gun deaths do you think it would dkf Dec 2012 #56
We need to stop using weasel words Taverner Dec 2012 #59
Kinda looks like donco Dec 2012 #61
lots of ignorance and cowardice in America Skittles Dec 2012 #65
The anti-gun movement is having an opposite effect ...record sales of guns and ammo. L0oniX Dec 2012 #66
I like the idea of a gun safety course derby378 Dec 2012 #69
You have to take a drivers course to get a license so I don't think it would be that bad to require L0oniX Dec 2012 #73
psych tests? backwoodsbob Dec 2012 #82
The gov didn't pay for my psych test when I went thru security guard training. L0oniX Dec 2012 #94
There's no guaranteed right to be a security guard n/t Glaug-Eldare Jan 2013 #131
This is probably the best idea. Crackinrocket Dec 2012 #109
As soon answer also get a mandatory psych test before voting rl6214 Jan 2013 #137
Niether America nor DU, as a whole, is ready for an honest and sincere discussion Skip Intro Dec 2012 #68
you can't really have conversations with most people anymore datasuspect Dec 2012 #71
The Sky Is Falling !!!!!! H2O Man Dec 2012 #74
That is what I have been saying all along. 20 dead first graders isnt enough to break through stevenleser Dec 2012 #76
In my view, anyone who advocates using assault weapons for hunting ... Buzz Clik Dec 2012 #77
bullshit. we're just talking here. nt Deep13 Dec 2012 #78
"DU gun debate shows that America isn't ready for real reform." Jim Warren Dec 2012 #79
The main problem is JoeyT Dec 2012 #88
Reasonable people can differ on what effective gun control means. Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #101
Effective gun control is this: Crackinrocket Dec 2012 #107
But how does that translate into procedures? The devil is always in the details, isn't it? Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #112
You can always join IGNOREFEST 2012-2013 AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #102
A lot of people on our side want to avoid bringing those Sandy Hook victims TheDebbieDee Dec 2012 #103
What is your definition of real reform? LP2K12 Dec 2012 #119
My ass DainBramaged Jan 2013 #122
Ladies and gentlemen ... Straw Man Jan 2013 #123
Right, you wouldn't BE HERE if we didn't have an NRA stooge forum DainBramaged Jan 2013 #127
Sorry, man ... Straw Man Jan 2013 #129
Who wouldn't be here? LP2K12 Jan 2013 #138
This all sounds eminently reasonable, and I thank you for your contribution. Dems to Win Jan 2013 #132
Agreed. LP2K12 Jan 2013 #140
DU is not a microcosm of America, and the Gungeon is loaded with wingnut trolls and people who just MADem Jan 2013 #126
did you think america is actually ready to do something? madrchsod Jan 2013 #128
DU is not a representative sample of America Hippo_Tron Jan 2013 #144
NEITHER side wants intelligent discourse. Douva Jan 2013 #149
I don't think DU is particularly representative of "America". We're a trolling destination for all Erose999 Jan 2013 #154
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