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In reply to the discussion: I'm surprised how many DU'ers think aknowledging white male privilege is somehow bigoted [View all]OccupyManny
(60 posts)382. I'm not sure where I am
I'm mixed race I suppose. My grandmother on mothers side was German. My Grandfather was Brazilian but half Portuguese and half Native South American. My grandfather on my father's side was Samoan and my Grandmother was Australian but half English and half Aborigine. I look like any other white guy with wavy dirty blond hair. My wife is from Toronto but half Sri Lankan and half Swedish. Our kids look totally white.
I don't feel like I have special privledges.
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I'm surprised how many DU'ers think aknowledging white male privilege is somehow bigoted [View all]
MightyMopar
Jan 2013
OP
Many white men are still doing nasty things and then when they are called it, it's "reverse racism"
MightyMopar
Jan 2013
#4
No link was made between the nasty things occurring and any nasty white men.
Bradical79
Jan 2013
#63
yep. i think it's worse now since times are tougher for everyone- men compare their fortunes to
bettyellen
Jan 2013
#11
yes, I'm just saying the current recession is causing a spike in resentment and fear.
bettyellen
Jan 2013
#162
HA HA, the baseline on this chart was when women made 55% of what men did for same job
bettyellen
Jan 2013
#183
you're not going to get any sympathy when you're ignoring the real issue of stagnation of wages
bettyellen
Jan 2013
#191
So, you have issues with some men making less money than some women. Too fucking bad.
bettyellen
Jan 2013
#195
Don't let me interrupt. You were about to make some sort of point about my privilege, no doubt. n/t
lumberjack_jeff
Jan 2013
#202
Lucky! But of course you know both parents working is the norm in America now
bettyellen
Jan 2013
#218
yep, leaping from women earning more money straight to custody battles is an odd leap!!
bettyellen
Jan 2013
#205
Here's Jeffy posting that women should pay MORE for health insurance than men
CreekDog
Jan 2013
#248
Thanks for providing my words which say exactly the OPPOSITE of what you attribute to me.
lumberjack_jeff
Jan 2013
#258
you advocate policies like FDR for MEN and policies like Rush Limbaugh when it comes to women
CreekDog
Jan 2013
#269
I think that gender should not be a rating criteria for life and auto insurance.
lumberjack_jeff
Jan 2013
#273
You know what I believe despite the fact that I say the exact opposite.
lumberjack_jeff
Jan 2013
#286
what makes your posts and positions so MORALLY BANKRUPT is that you oppose things that help women
CreekDog
Jan 2013
#288
that's what makes you so transparently hypocritical!!! you support anything that saves men money
CreekDog
Jan 2013
#305
And why the assumption that the stress of being a stay-at-home dad would cause divorce
gollygee
Jan 2013
#212
My Sister in Law has been the bread winner in her family for twentyfive years...
Walk away
Jan 2013
#352
If everyone worked the same hours in the same careers, that might hold some logic.
lumberjack_jeff
Jan 2013
#271
"I think us white guys need to man up and acknowledge this centuries old offense."
sibelian
Jan 2013
#92
Any black landowners at the time? We know what they did to Native American landholders in Georgia.
MightyMopar
Jan 2013
#109
And Mexican landowners who ended up on the north side of the new border...
backscatter712
Jan 2013
#216
True, but then some groups of white men were still excluded > Irish need not apply
KittyWampus
Jan 2013
#165
We have the most unequal society in the developed world. How did men "get" equality? nt
Romulox
Jan 2013
#325
Non landing owning people didn't own slaves. Think this through a bit, would you?
Romulox
Jan 2013
#295
This is nonsense. Sharecroppers (non landing owning agricultural workers) didn't own slaves.
Romulox
Jan 2013
#323
Study history. "Sharecroppers" were what non-land owning agricultural workers were called.
Romulox
Jan 2013
#339
I mentioned neither your education nor intellect. I mention your *fabricated history*.
Romulox
Jan 2013
#350
You used the word "likely", bill. I think"on occasion" used above is much more accurate.
TheKentuckian
Jan 2013
#432
Statistically maybe, and there are a bunch of things that are not easier for me because of
iiibbb
Jan 2013
#127
Recognize it. Racism and sexism aren't individual moral flaws; they're roles we play in a system
Recursion
Jan 2013
#73
Are there people who don't think it exists? It's almost the entire basis of christian conservatism.
JaneyVee
Jan 2013
#2
" man up" this would also be misandrist. equal to misogyny. per some men on du.
seabeyond
Jan 2013
#3
lol, ass up? i dunno. though, man up should not be a lot different from be a man.
seabeyond
Jan 2013
#8
No. The use of the term "white male privilege" has nothing to do with acknowledging anything.
sibelian
Jan 2013
#425
ask yourself whether being poor, gay, disabled, etc. would be easier or harder if not white
CreekDog
Jan 2013
#82
yes. he can drive his old beat up car and not be pulled over by police while a black man driving
seabeyond
Jan 2013
#16
If you're talking about cops pulling people over, the relevant privilege is "attractive female",
Nye Bevan
Jan 2013
#48
yes. an attractive white female would get passes. as do my husband, oldest brother and father.
seabeyond
Jan 2013
#62
now you project outrage. do you ever have an honest debate, or this just your style, cause it does
seabeyond
Jan 2013
#149
This is literally the only place I've ever run across the meme that discussing privilege is bigoted.
Starry Messenger
Jan 2013
#17
It's strange, since I know most if not all DUers would agree that the concept
Starry Messenger
Jan 2013
#20
The privileged white male has been very very good for the privileged white male.
Squinch
Jan 2013
#74
If we should treat every person as an individual, we should treat EVERY person as an individual.
patrice
Jan 2013
#40
RIght. Cause that's where we excel. In "backing." Can I steal that post 26 line?
Squinch
Jan 2013
#77
It also means your 17 year old white son can walk from the 7-11, through his neighborhood,
Moses2SandyKoufax
Jan 2013
#53
White males have received the most privilege from ECONOMIC discrimination, because they used to
patrice
Jan 2013
#46
And we see that in the equal number of male and female executives at the top of companies...
Squinch
Jan 2013
#80
Clarence THomas is a Token, they would put him before they put a qualified black person
JI7
Jan 2013
#88
It's just like the Christians that love to be persecuted. Now that white guys like myself, don't
brewens
Jan 2013
#55
Forgive me, but Chris Rock having a choice of where he wants to live is an example of...
Romulox
Jan 2013
#360
I thought I was having a civil discussion (I originally thought I was agreeing with you, even!)
Romulox
Jan 2013
#362
Nonsense. Class privilege is NOT "white male privilege". The conflation is erroneous, and
Romulox
Jan 2013
#440
If you are referring to the gun thread that concerned WMP, then your accusation is off.
ZombieHorde
Jan 2013
#84
You are conflating two different things. One exists, the other does not. nt
lumberjack_jeff
Jan 2013
#91
What's interesting is those that argue otherwise can't seem to do so without such conflations
Major Nikon
Jan 2013
#97
I'll be happy to accept responsibility for my unearned privilege if you promise to never
Egalitarian Thug
Jan 2013
#96
FFS... "I posted a gun thread and it didn't work out like I thought it would."
cherokeeprogressive
Jan 2013
#98
I'm making the case that rural white gun owners are stifling meaningful gun regulations
MightyMopar
Jan 2013
#143
Fund the ATF and get it a director! Rural whites political allies in Congress stifle enforcement
MightyMopar
Jan 2013
#148
I regard my WMP as a reasonable reparation for my physical handicaps and circumstances of my birth
slackmaster
Jan 2013
#115
With 10 percent of black men in prison, do you really want to challenge that lottery?
MightyMopar
Jan 2013
#121
Very few of them are in prison simply for being black. Most people in prison are indeed criminals.
slackmaster
Jan 2013
#122
It is because people mistakenly think that there is only one definition for privilege
Marrah_G
Jan 2013
#118
Not getting fucked with as much by the police or ignored by bartenders are forms of privilege
slackmaster
Jan 2013
#123
Still crickets from slackmaster! So why are more black men in jail if it isn't WMP?
MightyMopar
Jan 2013
#139
Sounds like sour grapes. Either it's genetic or WMP or let's hear something else from slackmaster
MightyMopar
Jan 2013
#227
Good question. Why are 11x as many men in jail if we're the privileged gender?
lumberjack_jeff
Jan 2013
#225
Men are the guilty sex all over the world but you can't say that about race
MightyMopar
Jan 2013
#229
Sexism definition leans toward discrimaination toward women since they tend to have less power
MightyMopar
Jan 2013
#243
You might not like the answer,but many intellectuals agree with me and unlike slackmaster i answered
MightyMopar
Jan 2013
#301
This entire thread is a trainwreck of sexism disguised as progressivism.
lumberjack_jeff
Jan 2013
#331
It's either genetic or WMP, what else is there? That's why slackmaster won't respond, he's cornered
MightyMopar
Jan 2013
#171
I wasn't "cornered" or in any way avoiding responsing to you, MightyMopar. I actually have a life.
slackmaster
Jan 2013
#336
Because A. They have (in most cases) committed crimes, and B. A white person who has committed...
slackmaster
Jan 2013
#388
It's not a "mistake". People rightly see that CLASS BASED DISCRIMINATION is the most
Romulox
Jan 2013
#332
They already are. Many are using fertility clinics to increase the chance of having a girl
MightyMopar
Jan 2013
#142
i love my boys so i will just have to settle for education. works for us. how peaceful and easy
seabeyond
Jan 2013
#189
It's not bigoted, of course. But those in a luxury condo don't like that pointed out....
Honeycombe8
Jan 2013
#145
+1, what I've heard in the past is no one wants to have their accomplishments asterisked
uponit7771
Jan 2013
#337
I hear well off white males whining all the time about affirmative action or some other affront.
MightyMopar
Jan 2013
#163
You're doing a good job explaining white privilege. Now explain the other half.
lumberjack_jeff
Jan 2013
#177
try to keep your privilege in mind when interacting with others. remember your voice is not
bettyellen
Jan 2013
#282
to clarify (or restate) he lacked the skills, and his confidence was unfounded, LOL.
bettyellen
Jan 2013
#395
more bullshit. "I've been rather curious myself as to the putative next step in the process."
bettyellen
Jan 2013
#405
there's a difference between acknowledgement and doing something about it...
bettyellen
Jan 2013
#436
You're not supposed to. Issues like this aren't to be resolved, they are to be used as a jawbone.
lumberjack_jeff
Jan 2013
#204
that is all. acknowledgment and recognition. that goes a hell of a long way.
seabeyond
Jan 2013
#197
try to keep it in mind when interacting with others. remember your voice is no more important than
bettyellen
Jan 2013
#230
I was literally just expanding on what you said below and must give you credit!
bettyellen
Jan 2013
#233
I think those people are seeing it as a personal thing rather than a systematic
PeaceNikki
Jan 2013
#213
Canada should be for First Nations only. You're just as much an interloper as anyone!
Romulox
Jan 2013
#346
Ah, so you're assuming that every non-white poster acknowleges that fact at some point,
Nye Bevan
Jan 2013
#244
I've found that the only people that don't acknowledge their race tend to be white
Number23
Jan 2013
#253
LOL. So if they don't acknowledge their race, how do you know they are white?
Nye Bevan
Jan 2013
#255
And I'm guessing you're not a person who comprehends things like written words
Number23
Jan 2013
#260
LOL*2. All you can really say is that *some* minority posters acknowledge their race.
Nye Bevan
Jan 2013
#267
To be perfectly honest, I'd sleep much better if I was secure in the knowledge
Number23
Jan 2013
#277
OK. Well on second thoughts I disagree with you on that too. Enjoy your good night's sleep!
Nye Bevan
Jan 2013
#278
It is afternoon where I am and I sincerely hope that this will be our last exchange.
Number23
Jan 2013
#280
I'm surprised how nasty this thread has become and what that means about DU
MightyMopar
Jan 2013
#297
LOL! So you assume everyone here is white unless they tell you otherwise?
lumberjack_jeff
Jan 2013
#263
You want me to atone for something my GG3 grandfather may have done? That sounds like the
dexter sinister
Jan 2013
#236
I have a couple of big old guns, and several big and small new ones too, and I shall continue to
dexter sinister
Jan 2013
#371
Are you a white American? Then you gained from the benefits of slavery, native American conquest, et
MightyMopar
Jan 2013
#251
I'm sure you can see the names of the handful of posters that desperately need to read
Number23
Jan 2013
#275
This would have been a very useful and productive conversation to have in the 1950s.
Nye Bevan
Jan 2013
#247
I reject your whole premise that bigotry is "the defining difference" between white males and Bagger
Lil Missy
Jan 2013
#259
That "privilege" goes to women as much if not moreso. It doesn't really support
Romulox
Jan 2013
#296
You've made this mistake before: you can't limit discussion to some subset of the OP.
Romulox
Jan 2013
#330
thucythucy's points are interesting. You, on the other hand, are following me from thread to thread
Romulox
Jan 2013
#345
"Wages" and "wealth" are very different concepts. You were discussing intergenerational transfers
Romulox
Jan 2013
#354
The male privilege part of the equation is the only controversial one.
lumberjack_jeff
Jan 2013
#329
I think it would help if class privilege were discussed simultaneously with WMP
Hippo_Tron
Jan 2013
#300
I was reminded that there is some suggestion that Frank Little was at least part Native American.
jtuck004
Jan 2013
#427
Several black DU'ers have told me DU isn't African American friendly including on one on this thread
MightyMopar
Jan 2013
#406