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theKed

(1,235 posts)
213. Are you say, then,
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 12:35 PM
Jan 2013

that it is not better that everyone be raised to the same level of privilege?
Or are you just content to bitch and moan?

"Man-bashing." My favorite DU pule. [View all] WilliamPitt Jan 2013 OP
Any DU conversation about equality is a good thing leftstreet Jan 2013 #1
Yes. Tom Rinaldo Jan 2013 #2
If I can clarify your post just a little: lapislzi Jan 2013 #3
Actually, that too Tom Rinaldo Jan 2013 #6
Thank you for saying that. lapislzi Jan 2013 #21
Just as I, a white woman, benefit from white privelege duhneece Jan 2013 #132
Yes, like that. I benefit from several built in priviledges... Tom Rinaldo Jan 2013 #149
White privilege should be uncontroversial, imho. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #154
I think the comparison is a good one duhneece Jan 2013 #161
yes. It is a good one. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #168
That's why white privilege must be conflated with male privilege Major Nikon Jan 2013 #192
I noticed you didn't get a response from the other side on this in at least two different requests Major Nikon Jan 2013 #311
Thank you for noticing, but it has been far more than twice. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #313
yep... every man who resists the idea cites a personal exception. refuses to measure it apples to bettyellen Jan 2013 #5
Do people think they should be more wealthy than every single woman and African-American gollygee Jan 2013 #72
Eggsactly The comparisons are outrageously stupid. One said that his two sons were making less money bettyellen Jan 2013 #78
And they don't seem to understand ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #103
Yes! I pointed that out a few times, and they drop the conversation.... bettyellen Jan 2013 #109
It's a lot like the anti-affirmative action argument ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #112
he ran away BainsBane Jan 2013 #136
They shouldn't just make more money than their wives gollygee Jan 2013 #110
Beyonce and the Kardashians rule with money AND the ability to incite hormonal reactions in men, LOL bettyellen Jan 2013 #115
his example was that white men are the only group who earn less than their parents BainsBane Jan 2013 #138
If you're going to call me out, it's okay to do it by name. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #140
I did so directly to your post BainsBane Jan 2013 #141
Then why are you doing it here? lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #151
why are you asking me? BainsBane Jan 2013 #156
I've gotten used to the stage-whisperers telling others what I think. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #157
that's when you clarify yourself BainsBane Jan 2013 #162
There was nothing ambiguous about what I said. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #165
Interestingly ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #79
My point is to refute that argument, because it always pops up Tom Rinaldo Jan 2013 #129
What makes it a false argument? hfojvt Jan 2013 #166
First off I am not "wagging fingers". I am Working Class for one thing Tom Rinaldo Jan 2013 #199
the whole point of this exercise is to wag finges hfojvt Jan 2013 #246
There are no or few privileges associated with being black Major Nikon Jan 2013 #194
you have been given so many examples you ignore. you dont believe in patriarchy, we get that. but, seabeyond Jan 2013 #195
You've also been given examples of female privilege you choose to ignore Major Nikon Jan 2013 #205
"Female privilege" marions ghost Jan 2013 #255
Evidently you haven't looked Major Nikon Jan 2013 #258
And I would argue that despite these negatives marions ghost Jan 2013 #260
Sure you can Major Nikon Jan 2013 #272
It is not ridiculous marions ghost Jan 2013 #281
I explained to you in detail why I didn't respond Major Nikon Jan 2013 #282
It's easy marions ghost Jan 2013 #294
Has nothing to do with privilege Major Nikon Jan 2013 #297
Sure it has to do with privilege marions ghost Jan 2013 #298
Why do you feel the need to shame men in order to make your arguments? Major Nikon Jan 2013 #302
I see marions ghost Jan 2013 #306
Discussing privilege is one of the hardest things to do. Brickbat Jan 2013 #4
I'm not sure it's all that difficult, but it seems to be for some Major Nikon Jan 2013 #48
See post #44. WilliamPitt Jan 2013 #49
Not my post Major Nikon Jan 2013 #57
Tom Brady bashing... trumad Jan 2013 #7
i like tom brady. idd wonderful things for my fantasy team last year. lost him this year. seabeyond Jan 2013 #8
Yeah---I bet you have a fantasy. trumad Jan 2013 #11
hey.. that would be my whitten. seabeyond Jan 2013 #18
Not until Feb 4th. WilliamPitt Jan 2013 #12
I don't want to live in a world where that's not okay. Iggo Jan 2013 #15
No it is not! edbermac Jan 2013 #75
Men cannot be feminists? DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2013 #9
As I am the author, that would be my opinion. WilliamPitt Jan 2013 #14
Fair enough DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2013 #19
for the record.... tomp Jan 2013 #184
Maybe that's because he followed that statement of belief with "Fact." GOTV Jan 2013 #185
As far as I'm concerned, it is fact. WilliamPitt Jan 2013 #198
Then it's weird that you stepped back to it only being an "opinion" a few posts ago. Do you think GOTV Jan 2013 #285
It's "fact" when it suits him... sibelian Jan 2013 #307
I don't see the value in it either way Major Nikon Jan 2013 #312
I'm pretty sure we're both feminists--according to the dictionary, anyway. dorkulon Jan 2013 #90
Problem is, it's not simple. WilliamPitt Jan 2013 #95
It's not a club, Will; it's a way of thinking. It doesn't cost anything. dorkulon Jan 2013 #99
it cost some of us a whole lot. do you know, on this board of progressives, women that speak out seabeyond Jan 2013 #101
I'm not trying to diminish that or claim it's untrue. dorkulon Jan 2013 #105
i thought it an interesting few steps in further insight. and... seabeyond Jan 2013 #114
claiming membership in something without having to pay any of the dues seabeyond Jan 2013 #100
What is the prevailing view r.e. definition of feminism? DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2013 #107
i have more to explore with this, and good question. but, i am out of time. seabeyond Jan 2013 #116
thank you for the reply. n/t DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2013 #119
But this is a ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #108
Try telling that to my husband, who was the head of a women's shelter. Zoeisright Jan 2013 #102
No, any more than white people can be abolitionists as they are neither black nor slaves. DRoseDARs Jan 2013 #65
I'd rather be an Equalist anyway. nt joeunderdog Jan 2013 #113
Straight White Male: The Lowest Difficulty Setting There Is TalkingDog Jan 2013 #10
love that. nt seabeyond Jan 2013 #27
I'm laughing!!! hunter Jan 2013 #33
great graphic! n/t BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2013 #38
That is a perfect graphic, and the linked blog post was excellent! Lone_Star_Dem Jan 2013 #45
Perfect. Just stole and posted on... well, somewhere else. nt jobycom Jan 2013 #60
The best part: Zookeeper Jan 2013 #83
I'd pay real $$ for that tetris game Blue_Tires Jan 2013 #87
Unlimited ammo for a BFG ThoughtCriminal Jan 2013 #126
I'm stealing this! n/t backscatter712 Jan 2013 #153
That is brilliant! And funny. yardwork Jan 2013 #164
I think we need more threads talking about cop privilege snooper2 Jan 2013 #13
*whistle* WilliamPitt Jan 2013 #16
You know. The skirts have it made. I don't know what all the nagging is about. Guy Whitey Corngood Jan 2013 #17
Hear Hear, Mr. Pitt The Magistrate Jan 2013 #20
Exactly. The Brits Have An Expression For That HangOnKids Jan 2013 #24
Ah. So denial of its existence becomes... sibelian Jan 2013 #309
Not Quite Sure What You Are Driving at Here, Sir The Magistrate Jan 2013 #310
+1 ismnotwasm Jan 2013 #22
Here's a shortcut, Will, just point them to this: TygrBright Jan 2013 #23
How it is pointed out is more the issue with me. Throd Jan 2013 #25
The White Male Privilege thing is stupid. Lady Freedom Returns Jan 2013 #26
The idea of "White Male Privilege" is difficult to understand when you pick one specific (if Brickbat Jan 2013 #30
I'd put it this way ... all else being equal ... there is White Male Privilage. JoePhilly Jan 2013 #37
studies have shown that white sounding names get up to 50% more chance of call back than black seabeyond Jan 2013 #40
And studies have shown that applicants for ditch digger and similar unskilled labor eridani Jan 2013 #182
There is no question that white privilege exists Major Nikon Jan 2013 #273
yes, you repeatedly make your point. racism? address. sexism? wha? no such thing. seabeyond Jan 2013 #274
When have I ever claimed sexism doesn't exist ever in any of my posts? Major Nikon Jan 2013 #276
really.... you haev made your position clear. i live in a state of men like you. i get it. seabeyond Jan 2013 #277
Wow, throw in some sexism as evidence that I am sexist Major Nikon Jan 2013 #278
I have to say your analogy is a bad one justiceischeap Jan 2013 #144
You made the case for why Unions are so important RobertEarl Jan 2013 #150
and, chances are that many non-white-male-straight people who wanted that job weren't considered spooky3 Jan 2013 #243
I don't think anyone here is denying that economic class divides the "haves" and "have nots"... YoungDemCA Jan 2013 #225
Well said. A lot of people have difficulty thinking in terms of distributions, degree/extent, etc. spooky3 Jan 2013 #242
Very true. Pule? Zorra Jan 2013 #28
Thank you for this one Warpy Jan 2013 #29
I grew up knowing that to be born white was to be privileged and that to be born black... freshwest Jan 2013 #31
K & R historylovr Jan 2013 #32
*clutches pearls* MynameisBlarney Jan 2013 #34
Male privilege or dominance pscot Jan 2013 #35
There are many women who don't get it either. seabeyond Jan 2013 #41
I love you will Pitt sally5050 Jan 2013 #36
K and big R n/t geardaddy Jan 2013 #39
50 points to your house for using the word "pule." MineralMan Jan 2013 #42
+1000000 BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2013 #43
Wish I was as privileged as some people here seem to think I am. blueclown Jan 2013 #44
"25 year old straight white male who still works a crappy, close to minimum wage retail job" Scout Jan 2013 #69
Well stated. Thank you. nt DLevine Jan 2013 #71
Well said. yardwork Jan 2013 #111
You missed the point entirely lunatica Jan 2013 #77
now picture yourself as a female in a minimum wage retail job. noamnety Jan 2013 #148
See post 23 and go to the link tavalon Jan 2013 #215
Even if I didn't like the content of your post I'd have rec'd it for the use of "pule" Lone_Star_Dem Jan 2013 #46
Some of the whining I see when anyone dares to mention male tblue37 Jan 2013 #47
Getting tiresome now LittleBlue Jan 2013 #50
Thanks for the kick. WilliamPitt Jan 2013 #51
I hope people see it LittleBlue Jan 2013 #56
Just because you see the threads doesn't mean every DUer does lunatica Jan 2013 #86
Looks like rec-fishing to me. nt Union Scribe Jan 2013 #123
And just maybe there are some privileged white men demwing Jan 2013 #52
That being the case, and THIS being the case..... Smarmie Doofus Jan 2013 #53
You named yourself well. WilliamPitt Jan 2013 #55
Thanks, Will. Great post. nt s-cubed Jan 2013 #54
K&R and thanks. nt Chorophyll Jan 2013 #58
thank you SemperEadem Jan 2013 #59
Well done, you! nt jobycom Jan 2013 #61
k/r Solly Mack Jan 2013 #62
THANK YOU. n/t ProfessionalLeftist Jan 2013 #63
I'm grateful you said this Will but many of us saying the same thing get slammed every time. riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #64
There Can Be Only One WilliamPitt Jan 2013 #66
Huge Highlander fans here!! riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #67
I could not love you more. nt rivegauche Jan 2013 #68
Preach it, brother. planetc Jan 2013 #70
i would have argued with will, this point, a year ago. not so much now. seabeyond Jan 2013 #84
This is precisely why many feminists say men cannot be feminists... redqueen Jan 2013 #104
It strikes me that this is yet another excuse to argue futilly over a term instead of ... planetc Jan 2013 #128
No, it isn't. redqueen Jan 2013 #143
That was good tavalon Jan 2013 #218
That's kinda like saying you're gay when you're a gay ally. justiceischeap Jan 2013 #147
You're conflating "patriarchy" with "privilege" lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #130
One of the problems is the sexes are complementary not equal happyslug Jan 2013 #73
girls cant do math. seabeyond Jan 2013 #91
I was going to bring math up, but it is clearly cultural not innate happyslug Jan 2013 #117
the only thing i pulled out from your post, though interesting read, is when there is a physical seabeyond Jan 2013 #193
Good cultural anthro post. libdem4life Jan 2013 #159
But this "complementary" stuff is used as a facile excuse for any and all gender inequalities. nomorenomore08 Jan 2013 #181
"Girls can't... Boys can't..." Dash87 Jan 2013 #239
perfect. i have two brothers that were more nurturing than their wives. seabeyond Jan 2013 #248
Going down that road leads to an irreconcilable problem. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #263
You better talk to some child Psychiatrists about women and children happyslug Jan 2013 #275
I disagree. MadrasT Jan 2013 #304
I'VE HAD IT WITH MEN Skittles Jan 2013 #74
You are so naughty... Jeff In Milwaukee Jan 2013 #76
I'VE HAD IT WITH WOMEN Aerows Jan 2013 #85
Mr. Pitt, I love you and always have Jeff In Milwaukee Jan 2013 #80
Reintroduce? WilliamPitt Jan 2013 #88
You're quibbling over my word choice... Jeff In Milwaukee Jan 2013 #92
Again... WilliamPitt Jan 2013 #93
And I love it when you feign being oblivious...(nt) Jeff In Milwaukee Jan 2013 #94
What do you mean? WilliamPitt Jan 2013 #96
Yeah. Just like that...(nt) Jeff In Milwaukee Jan 2013 #98
Great excuse... trumad Jan 2013 #188
Here's how I handle it tavalon Jan 2013 #220
We all get scolded for that tavalon Jan 2013 #219
Now compare all your white men to black men lunatica Jan 2013 #89
He may be covered in grease and grime, Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #120
"...favorite DU pule." It's hard to pick one. Kudos to those who can, especially with all the retread Jan 2013 #81
How about if we invent some robots that it's OK to oppress? tclambert Jan 2013 #82
k&r Starry Messenger Jan 2013 #97
This belongs in Meta next to the puling OPs, but I'm giving it a kick and a rec anyway. yardwork Jan 2013 #106
I was informed that men can't be feminists some time back War Horse Jan 2013 #118
Definition of "feminist" in dictionary.com: Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #121
Sorry - I disagree on several points jimlup Jan 2013 #122
No one EVER talks about "White Female" privilege... Bonobo Jan 2013 #124
many white female acknowledge and discuss white female privilege thru out these threads. nt seabeyond Jan 2013 #125
Well we should tavalon Jan 2013 #221
"but a man claiming to be a feminist is the equivalent of a hammer claiming to be a nail" lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #127
Great post DaveJ Jan 2013 #134
The problem with issues like "male privilege" or "rape culture" lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #139
it is only how you choose to interpret. many many men, whites, understand the concept seabeyond Jan 2013 #142
Being rhetorically kicked in the head is not subject to interpretation. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #152
There is white privilege. I am white. I am not being kicked in the head seabeyond Jan 2013 #155
I'll flat out say it -- I don't get it. DaveJ Jan 2013 #196
not long ago i had to deal with an issue with something in the house. i forget. but, male domain. seabeyond Jan 2013 #200
You just reminded me of a cute story tavalon Jan 2013 #223
"I asked him if he knew anything about plumbing and he said no" chucklin... seabeyond Jan 2013 #224
I suppose so tavalon Jan 2013 #284
How men see it. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #237
Here's what "male privilege" gets you Major Nikon Jan 2013 #254
+1 n/t lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #259
I know EXACTLY what you mean seabeyond, about marions ghost Jan 2013 #267
yup. seabeyond Jan 2013 #271
I recently had a door to door salesman ask for the "man of the house" MadrasT Jan 2013 #303
I think things are changing-- marions ghost Jan 2013 #305
Pay Equity--the big picture: marions ghost Jan 2013 #290
I have no problem with the concept quaker bill Jan 2013 #131
Thanks for your honesty marions ghost Jan 2013 #291
white man bashing BainsBane Jan 2013 #133
Fess up... greytdemocrat Jan 2013 #135
Will.... 'You've come a long way, baby..." LanternWaste Jan 2013 #137
Hawaiian word of the day: pule mahina Jan 2013 #145
Thank you for your understanding re: men claiming to be feminists. As you are obviously aware, many redqueen Jan 2013 #146
It feels to me gollygee Jan 2013 #158
Yep. It is hard to turn off the conditioning, it is not an on/off switch. redqueen Jan 2013 #190
Love ya, rq, but...no. Zorra Jan 2013 #173
What secluded pockets of society are so out of touch with patriarchy redqueen Jan 2013 #187
Thanks, redqueen. Maybe someone will successfully go about the process of redefining the word to Zorra Jan 2013 #287
Notice that men say things like "we" haven't defined feminism. redqueen Jan 2013 #288
I'm aware of the argument. Thank you. I repeat, Zorra Jan 2013 #292
Eons of patriarchy and internalized misogyny are enormously difficult to dislodge. redqueen Jan 2013 #295
I have told other white males 'this' a dozen + times RobertEarl Jan 2013 #160
My other 'getcha' to white males RobertEarl Jan 2013 #245
"the sexes are complimentary" marions ghost Jan 2013 #293
This message was self-deleted by its author sekha68 Jan 2013 #163
But BEYONCE'S a millionaire!!1 Thus, white and male privilege doesn't exist! Number23 Jan 2013 #167
Sure, one datapoint isn't useful. How about if we use ALL the datapoints? lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #170
Jesus Christ, I'd give anything for you to stop responding to me Number23 Jan 2013 #172
If you don't want your opinions challenged, there are several solutions. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #174
The OP doesn't specify any country. That was your interpretation Number23 Jan 2013 #175
Equally politely declined. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #178
Upon stipulation: What if a man leverages that privilege? flvegan Jan 2013 #169
Leveraging the privilege WilliamPitt Jan 2013 #201
You're just redefining a word that already has a perfectly good definition. dorkulon Jan 2013 #247
"Words have meanings." WilliamPitt Jan 2013 #252
Thanks for the lesson; how edifying. dorkulon Jan 2013 #264
To edify once meant to put up a building. From the Latin ĉdificare, "to build, construct." WilliamPitt Jan 2013 #265
Is that really all you're going to give me? dorkulon Jan 2013 #266
Garble originally meant "to sort out" WilliamPitt Jan 2013 #268
You're just trolling me at this point. dorkulon Jan 2013 #270
I guess we're leaving it there, then. dorkulon Jan 2013 #299
Congratulations! WilliamPitt Jan 2013 #300
What a compelling argument. dorkulon Jan 2013 #301
Someone can completely accept the existence of male privelege... Silent3 Jan 2013 #171
+1 Vinnie From Indy Jan 2013 #177
EXACTLY the existance of white male privilege and female chauvanism are not mutually exclusive JAbuchan08 Jan 2013 #186
Exactly just1voice Jan 2013 #208
How about a gay man Fearless Jan 2013 #176
Far more than just 2000 years. Rex Jan 2013 #179
Your little girl has exactly the right dad eridani Jan 2013 #180
OK..."white male privilege" ibegurpard Jan 2013 #183
For the 100th time... WilliamPitt Jan 2013 #203
Well Mr. Pitt, trumad Jan 2013 #189
I disagree about the feminist thing. JoeyT Jan 2013 #191
Some 30 years ago, the National Lampoon summed it up nicely Burma Jones Jan 2013 #197
HEADS UP: Please see post 201 for elaboration on men being feminists WilliamPitt Jan 2013 #202
201 demonstrates you have your own definition which is not the mainstream definition Major Nikon Jan 2013 #206
I don't expect anything. WilliamPitt Jan 2013 #207
You'd probably be understood better if you didn't attempt to pass off your opinions as fact Major Nikon Jan 2013 #214
I assume people are capable of nuance. WilliamPitt Jan 2013 #216
The difference between fact and opinion is not nuance Major Nikon Jan 2013 #217
I looked up pule libodem Jan 2013 #204
I looked it up too. philly_bob Jan 2013 #230
Donkey cheese makes me whine libodem Jan 2013 #244
Yes to everything you just said tavalon Jan 2013 #209
The big problem I have theKed Jan 2013 #210
except, you would have to give at least one example of the desire to "bring white males down" seabeyond Jan 2013 #211
Are you say, then, theKed Jan 2013 #213
one example of the desire to "bring white males down". i ask you have an example seabeyond Jan 2013 #226
Have fun wandering down your little path of derailment theKed Jan 2013 #228
you make an argument with a falsehood to derail. i called you on it. you cannot answer. nt seabeyond Jan 2013 #232
*sigh* WilliamPitt Jan 2013 #212
If "all were privileged", wouldn't the term "privilege" lose its meaning? YoungDemCA Jan 2013 #235
...I hope so? theKed Jan 2013 #236
It hasn't already? n/t lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #261
See what I don't understand is grantcart Jan 2013 #222
I guess you missed this... YoungDemCA Jan 2013 #227
Yup, never got that whole "great personality" either. grantcart Jan 2013 #249
exactly. 70's, 80's we were on a good path forward. seabeyond Jan 2013 #231
The book "Backlash" by Susan Faludi offers an interesting explanation. spooky3 Jan 2013 #250
thank you spooky3 seabeyond Jan 2013 #251
You're welcome. Notice that the one-star reviews have this in common: spooky3 Jan 2013 #253
ha ha ha. feminazi. ya, thats it. lol. ya. nt seabeyond Jan 2013 #256
I think you're confusing "settled" with "resolved" or "fixed". lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #241
From one man to another...well said YoungDemCA Jan 2013 #229
But "there is no misandry on DU." Pab Sungenis Jan 2013 #233
What misandry? YoungDemCA Jan 2013 #234
There is a fine line between challenging male privilege Pab Sungenis Jan 2013 #240
+++1! & Not differentiating the two does NO good service to social/economic justice. It, in fact, patrice Jan 2013 #262
...why are we like this? McDiggy Jan 2013 #238
+1 I don't get it either. I'm not a father; that doesn't mean that I don't understand fathering, nor patrice Jan 2013 #257
Answer one question marions ghost Jan 2013 #269
,.....I thopught about it...honestly, too... McDiggy Jan 2013 #283
I didn't say "live the life of Hillary"-- marions ghost Jan 2013 #289
Sorry, can't agree with you. McDiggy Jan 2013 #314
You need to realize marions ghost Jan 2013 #315
I disagree that men cannot be feminists. Deep13 Jan 2013 #279
WHAT is a p-u-l-e? benld74 Jan 2013 #280
Respectfully, you are confusing woman with feminist juanalderete Jan 2013 #286
A lot of this I agree with but call bs on men not being able to be feminists. uppityperson Jan 2013 #296
Which of us is more pleased with ourselves, Will? sibelian Jan 2013 #308
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