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Semi automatic handguns are the best available choice for self defense ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #1
How so? Hugabear Jan 2013 #4
A revolver is semi-automatic NeedleCast Jan 2013 #9
nice try, but there is a distinction..but lets play SEMANTICS and cloud a life and death rustydog Jan 2013 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author Hoyt Jan 2013 #28
You are wrong. Not all revolvers are semi-automatic Hugabear Jan 2013 #17
Hey, you made the distinction NeedleCast Jan 2013 #19
Really? Lurker Deluxe Jan 2013 #27
I guess the question I'd ask is NeedleCast Jan 2013 #45
Then ban the manufacture, sale, and possession of auto-loaders. Hugabear Jan 2013 #84
An autoloader is a little plastic disk with six holes in it Recursion Jan 2013 #133
Most murder victims are not killed in massacres. immoderate Jan 2013 #134
Hey, ONE life would make it worth it. tblue Jan 2013 #226
Yeah, but you could wipe out a lot of freedoms with that reasoning. immoderate Jan 2013 #232
Cheney's 1% doctrine was unacceptable then... krispos42 Jan 2013 #262
You're still making a semantic argument NeedleCast Jan 2013 #136
exactly RainbowOverTexas Jan 2013 #194
Root causes...gun-speak for more mental health counselors and pills to deter the violent sociopaths? libdem4life Jan 2013 #228
Fail ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #242
We did not have 300 million weapons and middle class, white folks paranoid about their neighbors libdem4life Jan 2013 #253
Again Lurker Deluxe Jan 2013 #90
Stil. Semantic. Argument. NeedleCast Jan 2013 #143
I am not arguing that point Lurker Deluxe Jan 2013 #175
TO an exent, I agree with that single point NeedleCast Jan 2013 #180
To that point Lurker Deluxe Jan 2013 #188
In this case, the shooter at Newtown... krispos42 Jan 2013 #265
How long does it take to reload a revolver versus a clip-fed semi-automatic? Hugabear Jan 2013 #42
Speed Loader NeedleCast Jan 2013 #59
You're absolutely delusional Hugabear Jan 2013 #73
Its not that hard to learn how to do it, just about every cop knew how ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #80
Wrong, but you'll still believe what you want rustydog Jan 2013 #108
I never said they were good, just that they were trained ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #116
In how many of the Jenoch Jan 2013 #221
Why is it Delusional? NeedleCast Jan 2013 #96
It makes it much harder Hugabear Jan 2013 #128
OK, but monitoring Sudafed hasn't actually done anything about meth production Recursion Jan 2013 #139
Your argument is still about rate-of-fire/reload NeedleCast Jan 2013 #165
Your idea about Jenoch Jan 2013 #225
Moon clips krispos42 Jan 2013 #266
reload in seconds in a shooting range in controlled situations maybe, rustydog Jan 2013 #95
OK, but Lanza killed 26 people in 20 minutes Recursion Jan 2013 #141
First of all: Lanza didn't use speed-loaders in a revolver, rustydog Jan 2013 #211
Oh, I agree; I was thinking of rate of fire in general Recursion Jan 2013 #215
they have speed loaders for wheel guns. reloading quick is easy with them. JohnnyBoots Jan 2013 #61
So they carry half a dozen guns - still dead people. Indydem Jan 2013 #65
So your answer is we shouldn't do anything, because criminals will still find ways to kill Hugabear Jan 2013 #79
Do pipe bombs serve any other purpose? Indydem Jan 2013 #81
The only purpose of a gun is to kill. Hugabear Jan 2013 #93
That is absolutely not true. Indydem Jan 2013 #105
can you list the "dozens of other uses for a firearm?" frylock Jan 2013 #229
Still crickets ? Nt pkdu Jan 2013 #255
Sorry. Indydem Jan 2013 #270
yeh, i'm sure you do frylock Jan 2013 #273
To refine that list a bit theKed Jan 2013 #259
Of course I can. Indydem Jan 2013 #269
weak fucking sauce.. frylock Jan 2013 #274
I made you a list. Indydem Jan 2013 #275
i thought you had a life outside of DU? frylock Jan 2013 #276
I'm available at the moment. Indydem Jan 2013 #277
Thanks for making the effort. I too have a life outside DU, so I empathize ....but.. pkdu Jan 2013 #281
It is totally within Congress's power to reschedule semi-automatics under the NFA Recursion Jan 2013 #109
We've been over this before. Because someone upaloopa Jan 2013 #18
thank you upaloopa! barbtries Jan 2013 #107
I'm seeing a mixed message. People want assault-style weapons banned, Flatulo Jan 2013 #282
Oh Jeeez, more nomenclature obfuscation. The OP is clear. I agree with OP. Hoyt Jan 2013 #33
Wow , does that guy ever need his penis extension device. Nt pkdu Jan 2013 #256
But there is a difference between a semi-automatic revolver and a semi-automatic pistol Kaleva Jan 2013 #263
No. It's a repeater. krispos42 Jan 2013 #264
There are any number of treatises as to why...if I post any them, there will be cries of ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #22
Treatises, yes. Evidence, no. DanTex Jan 2013 #29
What evidence would you accept? ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #68
Something that shows that carrying a concealed gun makes a person safer. DanTex Jan 2013 #86
The NRA says the "Only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun" rustydog Jan 2013 #98
I was referring to the semi vs revolver... ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #112
In other words, there is no evidence. DanTex Jan 2013 #123
The paucity of data means your (or others) conclusions cannot be valid ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #142
DGU is only one of many metrics. DanTex Jan 2013 #160
Many jurisdictions will routinely arrest/charge any person for DGU. Flatulo Jan 2013 #213
If you can't kill your zombie, commie, home-invasion bad guy rustydog Jan 2013 #10
Revolvers and shotguns are lousy for concealed carry ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #25
concealed carry? bongbong Jan 2013 #30
You want to talk about fear? Indydem Jan 2013 #41
Really? bongbong Jan 2013 #47
Your "delicate flowers" aren't murdering people. Indydem Jan 2013 #54
Sheesh bongbong Jan 2013 #88
That is a ludicrous argument constructed to fit your narritive. Indydem Jan 2013 #100
Hmmm bongbong Jan 2013 #111
Wow. I really do feel bad for you. Indydem Jan 2013 #131
??? bongbong Jan 2013 #149
Really? Indydem Jan 2013 #163
LOL bongbong Jan 2013 #171
So essentially the only answer to the gun violence problem rbixby Jan 2013 #117
There is no clear answer. Indydem Jan 2013 #135
So no part of the solution is 'less guns'? rbixby Jan 2013 #146
Nope. Indydem Jan 2013 #150
By your logic, then the answer is definitely 'more guns' rbixby Jan 2013 #159
That's a black or white view. Indydem Jan 2013 #167
I'm not sure that the thousands who die by gun violence every year rbixby Jan 2013 #172
My apologies. Indydem Jan 2013 #179
Reducing people to numbers makes it easier rbixby Jan 2013 #183
Making it seem like it happens all the time Indydem Jan 2013 #184
I don't really have other goals rbixby Jan 2013 #190
Bullshit. Hugabear Jan 2013 #168
Neither does Canada. Indydem Jan 2013 #176
Why are pro-gunners so clueless? DanTex Jan 2013 #224
Actually winding up with "less guns" is the rub Recursion Jan 2013 #187
What do Adam Lanza, James Holmes, and Jared Loughner have in common? Hugabear Jan 2013 #144
That's part of why mass shootings shouldn't be what drives gun policy Recursion Jan 2013 #170
The statistically significant portion of DU who would move... Coyote_Tan Jan 2013 #63
LOL bongbong Jan 2013 #83
Who said anything about scientific... Coyote_Tan Jan 2013 #110
FREEDUMB! bongbong Jan 2013 #129
You obviously prefer control of others... Coyote_Tan Jan 2013 #186
Fear bongbong Jan 2013 #189
You obviously misunderstood... Coyote_Tan Jan 2013 #192
Your statistics show your child runs a MUCH higher risk of being killed in your HOME rustydog Jan 2013 #55
Still statistically negligible. Indydem Jan 2013 #60
Actually I was referring back to some of what the prior poster wrote ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #85
LOL bongbong Jan 2013 #102
Tell that to the GLBT community some time ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #126
Ho boy bongbong Jan 2013 #140
How many home invaders have you had to kill? How many times while shopping at b-mart rustydog Jan 2013 #50
More than a dozen... ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #62
You've had to kill more than a dozen and we haven't seen you in the news? rustydog Jan 2013 #82
Did you miss the word "scales" ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #99
No I didn't miss scales. you're trying to distract because you're arguement is lame. rustydog Jan 2013 #147
Your prior reply showed no such intent ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #158
Backpedal? hardly, but I used sticks and stones (hummm) to kill rattlers rustydog Jan 2013 #216
Maybe not everyone is as incredibly tough as you are. Flatulo Jan 2013 #250
Why do you consider a wheel gun a poor choice for CC? Flatulo Jan 2013 #220
Size...much easier to be "read" ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #239
It took me a long time to find acceptable holsters for both the Glock and the Ruger. Flatulo Jan 2013 #244
I bet you can still be read by a pro ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #246
Expect a lot more of this kind of harassment in the future as fear and ignorance spread. nt Flatulo Jan 2013 #254
Amen DustyJoe Jan 2013 #153
No matter what idea comes up gunners will upaloopa Jan 2013 #13
I am for some additional controls ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #26
Your support is for doing nothing about the absurd flood of weapons in this country. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #234
That is not true...what follows will slow down the illegal weapons traffic in this country ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #241
ban them. now. spanone Jan 2013 #16
I know at least one woman... Chuckster Jan 2013 #32
To each their own and its a choice that should be respected ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #44
That person is an idiot, but it's her choice. No one is forcing her to defend her life. Flatulo Jan 2013 #251
I support her right to make her own choices, I think it is way disturbing that TheKentuckian Jan 2013 #258
handguns are a public health issue, everyone around them is in danger. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #233
Which is why LEOs carry them? ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #243
Only amoung right wing NRA chat groups denizens. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #248
You could sit next to my pistol for 10,000 years and you would not be in any danger. nt Flatulo Jan 2013 #252
Your grasp of epidemiology is stunning. I suggest a letter to NEJM. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #268
If it's dying you're worried about, rest easy. According to the CDC, homicide Flatulo Jan 2013 #280
How would you keep them from crossing the southern border? cherokeeprogressive Jan 2013 #2
Seems that most of our guns are going into Mexico, not the other way around Hugabear Jan 2013 #7
Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #34
I'm honored that you used one of your 8 posts since 2001 to respond to me Hugabear Jan 2013 #46
I found that odd too... ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #103
Yeah, there are some issues alright. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2013 #113
I'm curious... Do you think the War On Drugs caused more marijuana to be grown in Mexico cherokeeprogressive Jan 2013 #260
Same way we keep full autos from doing so jeff47 Jan 2013 #76
I'd like to see a scale with the extreme ideas upaloopa Jan 2013 #3
Cue gungeoneers to claim you are endangering women or minorities. onehandle Jan 2013 #5
It already happened in the 1st post to the OP. Agschmid Jan 2013 #8
Ah. I have 90% of them on ignore. onehandle Jan 2013 #12
I should use ignore more I guess! n/t Agschmid Jan 2013 #15
Why not engage instead? ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #31
Personally, I like to hear opposing opinions. Chuckster Jan 2013 #38
A number of them were following me around the board and stalking me. onehandle Jan 2013 #49
Actually a number of people felt they were stalked by you ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #66
One has been active today, I am told. (by PM) onehandle Jan 2013 #75
Thank you for confirming the oft rumored back channel ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #120
The NRA has strict guidelines on chatboard posts bongbong Jan 2013 #35
Why only semiautos? dairydog91 Jan 2013 #6
Really? Lurker Deluxe Jan 2013 #21
Makes no difference if you're shooting 6 year olds. dairydog91 Jan 2013 #36
I had to look it up Lurker Deluxe Jan 2013 #164
Ever seen one of these? guardian Jan 2013 #191
The funny part of all this. Lurker Deluxe Jan 2013 #193
Gotta agree with you, sir. Life long gun owner here, and I have to think that Flatulo Jan 2013 #227
Ah, and another billh58 Jan 2013 #196
+1 million Agschmid Jan 2013 #11
A 12 gauge with #4 buckshot would JohnnyBoots Jan 2013 #20
Going Rogue bongbong Jan 2013 #37
I would guess JohnnyBoots Jan 2013 #57
??? bongbong Jan 2013 #77
England and Oz did not have JohnnyBoots Jan 2013 #130
Nope bongbong Jan 2013 #138
Australia also has a higher gun ownership rate today than before the buyback Recursion Jan 2013 #157
You may be right about 20% - 30% "going rogue" guardian Jan 2013 #199
Especially when everyone JohnnyBoots Jan 2013 #200
Nobody is talking about going door-to-door Hugabear Jan 2013 #201
I think you under estimate the JohnnyBoots Jan 2013 #203
"There's a large segment of this country, just waiting for a reason to explode." guardian Jan 2013 #204
Yeah. LIke those Delicate Flower pot growers in Humbolt. Chuckster Jan 2013 #58
Well goodbye Chuckster billh58 Jan 2013 #238
Yep, you Gungeoneer billh58 Jan 2013 #237
I'm thinking the following krispos42 Jan 2013 #267
How would you enforce your ban? regjoe Jan 2013 #23
NRA Talking Point alert bongbong Jan 2013 #40
Didn't answer the question. Indydem Jan 2013 #48
LOL bongbong Jan 2013 #97
So you are advocating a Civil War? Indydem Jan 2013 #106
Hey, you said it bongbong Jan 2013 #121
It's a great quote. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #125
Won't work this time bongbong Jan 2013 #132
What makes you believe that "delicate flowers" are a minority? Indydem Jan 2013 #145
Numbers bongbong Jan 2013 #156
Is the stricter gun control they are calling for include bans? Indydem Jan 2013 #169
Prove it bongbong Jan 2013 #177
Ahh, you made the original supposition. Indydem Jan 2013 #182
<--- Gun owner Lurker Deluxe Jan 2013 #185
Consider this ... spin Jan 2013 #218
Depends on the law. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #154
Seems to me the only ones advocating civil war are those desperate to cling to their guns Hugabear Jan 2013 #151
What good is a ban if you don't enforce it? regjoe Jan 2013 #56
Well, how *would* you enforce it? Recursion Jan 2013 #70
Get stopped and you're carrying...arrest and confiscation rustydog Jan 2013 #124
So, like we do with pot? Recursion Jan 2013 #127
Anybody can grow pot in their backyard or inside their house. Hugabear Jan 2013 #162
You can't grow heroin, it comes from Afghanistan for the most part Recursion Jan 2013 #166
Well the war on drugs guardian Jan 2013 #205
We need to decriminalize drug use Hugabear Jan 2013 #214
Really not that difficult jeff47 Jan 2013 #87
There were never all that many machineguns in the US to begin with Recursion Jan 2013 #101
Compared to when there was no law against it? It's way down. (nt) jeff47 Jan 2013 #148
Interesting, "Heroin" is a trademark of Bayer Recursion Jan 2013 #152
The vast majority of what are now illegal drugs were very widely used jeff47 Jan 2013 #181
Here you go. Hugabear Jan 2013 #115
It was an honest question and thank you for answering regjoe Jan 2013 #174
What registration documents? hack89 Jan 2013 #219
I wouldn't go there... Jeff In Milwaukee Jan 2013 #24
Automatic weapons of today are basically machine guns. onehandle Jan 2013 #39
You went there bongbong Jan 2013 #43
I can't see it, but I assume that's what lies below. nt onehandle Jan 2013 #52
Yep bongbong Jan 2013 #91
Not an NRA-bot... Jeff In Milwaukee Jan 2013 #173
Please edumacate me here: billh58 Jan 2013 #240
Not true in the least ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #51
Lee Harvey Oswald used a bolt action rifle. bvar22 Jan 2013 #53
Boom. derby378 Jan 2013 #64
LOL bongbong Jan 2013 #69
How does it show a deep lack of knowledge? DanTex Jan 2013 #67
Very, very few gun deaths are due to semi-automatic rifles, too Recursion Jan 2013 #74
And those would be covered by this proposed ban (nt) jeff47 Jan 2013 #92
Many (most?) handguns are semi-auto these days. DanTex Jan 2013 #94
The fact that Oswald was able to fire 3, well aimed shots... bvar22 Jan 2013 #155
Of course, it's possible to kill people with a bolt-action. DanTex Jan 2013 #178
#1, I believe that incrementally expanding MediCare was not only possible, bvar22 Jan 2013 #210
Oswald was a trained marksman. You left that part out. nt. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #235
actually, you're wrong, they are number two on the mass killing weapons list rustydog Jan 2013 #118
I didn't say "mass killings deaths" I said "gun deaths" Recursion Jan 2013 #119
Agree JohnnyBoots Jan 2013 #71
I don't want to get too deep into conspiracy theories on this thread... Hugabear Jan 2013 #197
And if Oswald had a machine gun? vkkv Jan 2013 #207
Probably not. They're bad at hitting things Recursion Jan 2013 #230
Unreasonable kudzu22 Jan 2013 #72
There are plenty here who would welcome that. Indydem Jan 2013 #78
Nothing the OP proposed suggested 'taking people's property.' onehandle Jan 2013 #89
I took "no grandfathering" to mean you have to turn 'em in kudzu22 Jan 2013 #272
We can ban Assault Weapons, which are the closest non-NFA weapons we have jmg257 Jan 2013 #161
hugabear barbtries Jan 2013 #104
I'll sign on to this plan. We need REAL action to stop the carnage. Dems to Win Jan 2013 #114
I'm thinking more targeting 'repeating arms with removable mags/without fixed capacity.' jmg257 Jan 2013 #122
I think the problem is that our country is awash in guns, legal, illegal, stolen, etc rbixby Jan 2013 #137
once the guns are gone RainbowOverTexas Jan 2013 #195
horseshit, texasrainbow SCantiGOP Jan 2013 #198
maybe RainbowOverTexas Jan 2013 #202
how many people in china died last year in mass knife attacks? frylock Jan 2013 #236
I say...couldn't we do both??? nt jmg257 Jan 2013 #212
I totally agree with you, billh58 Jan 2013 #247
Gun nuts want to claim 2nd Amendment rights? vkkv Jan 2013 #206
conversation with a libertarian SCantiGOP Jan 2013 #208
Technically speaking, you are absolutely right. Gun nuts simply do not want to acknowledge this. Hugabear Jan 2013 #217
strict constructionist, we must obey the Founding Fathers SCantiGOP Jan 2013 #222
Ha! The 2nd makes a distinction because 5 & 11 yr olds aren't in the well-regulated Militia... jmg257 Jan 2013 #209
+1. And a mandatory prison term for anyone caught with one after the amnesty period (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #223
kick samsingh Jan 2013 #231
Why not tax the living shit out of certain guns? Soundman Jan 2013 #245
$30k is too high SCantiGOP Jan 2013 #249
Take the actuarial data from the cost of gun violence...like we do health care and autos ... libdem4life Jan 2013 #257
+100 billh58 Jan 2013 #271
I've been saying this since calls for a new assault weapon ban popped up after Newtown krispos42 Jan 2013 #261
LOL bongbong Jan 2013 #278
This message was self-deleted by its author Sirveri Jan 2013 #279
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