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JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
13. One obvious mistake you should correct, one giant fallacy.
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 07:20 PM
Jan 2012

"Contractors in Iraq" (180,000 employees in 2008) is clearly not the same as "contractors employed by the US Embassy" (5,000 in 2011).

Therefore you cannot on this basis make the remarkable assertion, "From 180,000 contractors to 5,000, that's a 175,000 contractor drawdown since 2008." In fact, it makes you look like you think all of your readers are idiots.

Who employed the 180,000 in 2008? Various entities are mentioned. How many do they employ today? Most relevant surely is how many contractors the USG paid for directly in 2008 and 2012. Find those figures, then you can make a claim.

The giant fallacy is the idea that now that Iraq has been well and destroyed, and its peoples set against each other, the war that continues is no longer American. No. USG-Americans have withdrawn (except for the incredible 16,000 employees of the most enormous "embassy" on Earth, a town-sized administrative complex, what are they doing there?). But the war that the USG started in Iraq continues.

Since you're probably not responsible for the war personally, why do you want to spin it? Would you lose sleep to admit that your country's government has committed an enormity with repercussions that continue today?

It's good that the USG did not manage to negotiate a SOFA extension and that the bulk of troops are gone. In a generation or two, Iraq might finally be recovering from what the USG did.

Kick! n/t ProSense Jan 2012 #1
"The troops are out, the war is over!" for Americans, but not for the Iraqi people - too bad, huh? sad sally Jan 2012 #2
they don't all work for the US government directly zipplewrath Jan 2012 #3
You know what ProSense Jan 2012 #4
Maybe not for "Embassy security and trainers in a country is not a war" - for the other sad sally Jan 2012 #5
Guess I take a more humane view zipplewrath Jan 2012 #6
Well, ProSense Jan 2012 #7
And my point zipplewrath Jan 2012 #9
Well, ProSense Jan 2012 #10
Appreciation to military members and their families, a period of silent reflection, relief - sad sally Jan 2012 #11
Wait ProSense Jan 2012 #12
A tad selfish don't ya think? zipplewrath Jan 2012 #29
At least before the US exited, our fine security forces taught them how to handle people who sad sally Jan 2012 #8
One obvious mistake you should correct, one giant fallacy. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #13
No ProSense Jan 2012 #15
"Employed by US embassy" not the same as "all USG," neither the same as total contractors JackRiddler Jan 2012 #17
Gee ProSense Jan 2012 #18
The wars over? Wow! Who won? n/t A Simple Game Jan 2012 #14
Does ProSense Jan 2012 #16
Our Lady Satan of Perpetual War JackRiddler Jan 2012 #19
Exactly, there are no winners in war, A Simple Game Jan 2012 #21
Is the US embassy the only US entity currently operating in Iraq? morningfog Jan 2012 #20
Excellent questions. But wait... JackRiddler Jan 2012 #22
Wasting tax dollars. See, this one the reasons we americans can't have nice things like SammyWinstonJack Jan 2012 #23
I'm not sure that just wasting the tax dollars is really worse... JackRiddler Jan 2012 #25
I found this: morningfog Jan 2012 #27
That Embassy must have been crowded. nt raouldukelives Jan 2012 #24
That "embassy" is larger than the Vatican. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #26
Yay! Did we win a pony? Or, do we have to wait until we "win" in Afghanistan? Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2012 #28
Kick Scurrilous Jan 2012 #30
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