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BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
1. And how do you think Charters get high scores?
Sun Jan 27, 2013, 11:45 PM
Jan 2013

By using a wide variety of methods to dump the students they don't want to deal with.

In Indiana, they don't have to bother with "fining" parents to drive out the undesirable students. They simply "counsel them out". And if they wait until October to counsel the students out, they still get paid for the students for the full school year, but the student doesn't count against their test results. Sweet. The public schools have to take those "undesirables" but get no money for them.

And how do you think Charters get high scores? BlueStreak Jan 2013 #1
I truly hope this mother posts the paperwork documenting these fines. It's an outrage. nt msanthrope Jan 2013 #4
Not just Indiana KamaAina Jan 2013 #55
Corporate for profit charter schools are Riley18 Jan 2013 #2
I think fines are terrible. I hope this mother posts the paperwork associated with these fines. nt msanthrope Jan 2013 #5
Why is a Chicago Teacher's Union Ally sending her child to a charter school? msanthrope Jan 2013 #3
She has buyer's remorse over her former charter school enthusiasm. Starry Messenger Jan 2013 #11
She claimed 3k--now she's claiming it's only 2k? I really wish she would post some proof--- msanthrope Jan 2013 #13
Always defending the same assholes. Blaming the victims. erodriguez Jan 2013 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author UnrepentantLiberal Jan 2013 #22
I am not blaming anyone--I simply want proof of hundreds of detentions logged by this msanthrope Jan 2013 #41
well they got 190,000 in fines dsc Jan 2013 #64
I wonder how much is late pickup fines? I found Amandla Charter fining for late pickup msanthrope Jan 2013 #74
Chicago is unusual; the union was involved in the charter process and runs some charters Recursion Jan 2013 #83
Oh you're so clever... Ad Hominem attack FAIL grahamhgreen Jan 2013 #89
How is being called an ally of a union an attack? nt msanthrope Jan 2013 #91
B/C your attacking the person, instead of their argument. grahamhgreen Jan 2013 #99
They have no argument--only an unproven claim that doesn't seem credible. msanthrope Jan 2013 #100
The OP explicitly states that she cannot transfer the child. demwing Jan 2013 #101
You are incorrect. Here is the Illinois code sections that allow transfer without records-- msanthrope Jan 2013 #102
No, I was not incorrect demwing Jan 2013 #103
So you weren't incorrect, just merely quoting an incorrect statement? nt msanthrope Jan 2013 #104
OK then, I take it back. demwing Jan 2013 #107
Easily disproved stuff only helps Noble. How do you make the case to parents and legislators msanthrope Jan 2013 #108
Do you agree demwing Jan 2013 #109
I wrote downthread that I don't agree with fining for behavior, with the exception of vandalism-- msanthrope Jan 2013 #110
Could it be a better curriculum and environment?? Maybe the fines keep out the troublemakers Pisces Jan 2013 #105
Well--It's the Chicago Bulls Charter Prep. Here's the handbook--they are strict. msanthrope Jan 2013 #106
Noble belongs in Prison Angry Dragon Jan 2013 #6
Exactly Left Coast2020 Jan 2013 #10
Noble DOES belong in prison, along with... bvar22 Jan 2013 #69
How many bad scores does it take to bust a school? Downwinder Jan 2013 #7
I'm kinda torn on this charter verses public school stuff. I don't think the parents should be DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Jan 2013 #8
Couldn’t be a more horrible idea.... busterbrown Jan 2013 #9
Yes, actually they should be in the same class. mbperrin Jan 2013 #15
no they won't dlwickham Jan 2013 #16
all kids are gifted. HiPointDem Jan 2013 #26
That's simply not true. Ilsa Jan 2013 #31
maybe you can't see it, but they are. that's no lollipop talk, but truth. HiPointDem Jan 2013 #32
You're not making any sense. Ilsa Jan 2013 #33
s "gifted" program gives "special education and extra help". it's you who's making no sense. HiPointDem Jan 2013 #34
I didn't say the gifted program gives Ilsa Jan 2013 #35
you misunderstood me. both special ed programs and gifted programs give students special HiPointDem Jan 2013 #36
I've met gifted children, and their Ilsa Jan 2013 #40
and i believe different. HiPointDem Jan 2013 #62
All kids are above average too nikto Feb 2013 #116
Hate to tell you, but GATE is a form of special education duffyduff Jan 2013 #46
really? dlwickham Jan 2013 #43
ALL students have abilities and talents duffyduff Jan 2013 #47
They don't hand out advanced degrees based on luck and who you know. nt msanthrope Jan 2013 #51
Yes they do MattBaggins Jan 2013 #76
You name one dolt, and you think he represents 99% of Harvard and msanthrope Jan 2013 #79
Oh FFS.. 98% MattBaggins Jan 2013 #80
Is that why doctors hang pictures of the people they know on the walls instead of diplomas. n/t hughee99 Jan 2013 #52
And all kids are good kids. nikto Feb 2013 #112
stupid post. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #114
You just like holding kids back nikto Feb 2013 #115
Kids are resourceful... nikto Feb 2013 #117
You should read my essay on this topic on my tblue37 Jan 2013 #23
"kids that excel will do well under any environment" JVS Jan 2013 #24
No study in the world would support homogeneous student bodies. mbperrin Jan 2013 #14
I've heard mixed reviews from students... onpatrol98 Jan 2013 #19
I don’t think students of that age really have the understanding of both sides of the argument.... busterbrown Jan 2013 #21
Good point... onpatrol98 Jan 2013 #93
Great points. kiva Jan 2013 #111
Actually inclusion was pushed during the Reagan years not to benefit students but duffyduff Jan 2013 #45
Students are absolutely no judge of their education - they have no training and very little critical mbperrin Jan 2013 #81
That is problem#1 in child education today. Always has been. nikto Jan 2013 #27
That is problem#1 in child education today. Always has been. nikto Jan 2013 #28
I specifically stated that each school should get the same funding so that we get each child gets DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Jan 2013 #53
Same funding for each person who wants to open MattBaggins Jan 2013 #78
Excellent! We could make some of them tend underground machinery Orrex Jan 2013 #42
No, there shouldn't. Public schools are designed to bring communities together duffyduff Jan 2013 #44
So many people want what you suggest MattBaggins Jan 2013 #75
Hi Matt. I wasn't suggesting the schools be used for white flight. We adopted a few of our kids, DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Jan 2013 #98
You know, the best school systems in the worle are public! grahamhgreen Jan 2013 #90
Public schools have to take him. Marrah_G Jan 2013 #12
Absolutely they do. What I simply cannot understand is how it took 750 detentions for her to do msanthrope Jan 2013 #49
So you focus on the parent,ok-what about the "professionals" in this school? MichiganVote Jan 2013 #58
Do Illinois charters have to give a Behavior Support Plan? I don't think they do. nt msanthrope Jan 2013 #72
Charter schools that receive Federal funds must provide behavioral interventions. MichiganVote Jan 2013 #84
Who says they didn't? The point I have made from the beginning is that msanthrope Jan 2013 #87
A demerit can be not making eye contact with a teacher. knitter4democracy Jan 2013 #60
I have no doubt--but you have to accumulate 4 demerits before a single detention/fine of $5. msanthrope Jan 2013 #70
At those numbers, I wonder how much paperwork exists. knitter4democracy Jan 2013 #86
More on Noble's discipline practices. hay rick Jan 2013 #17
wow...what a money-grabbing scam..... Blue_Tires Jan 2013 #68
In a way, it is satisfying to read about Parents' buyers' remorse, when the school makes them suffer nikto Jan 2013 #20
Amen. knitter4democracy Jan 2013 #38
+1 MichiganVote Jan 2013 #59
+1 Blue_Tires Jan 2013 #67
Shit happens when you sign on a dotted line JVS Jan 2013 #25
Not feeling all that sympathetic, should have known the rules up front, and made the choice. reverend_tim Jan 2013 #29
of course you're not, dear wittle reverend cali Jan 2013 #30
Psychopaths must have much less stressful lives than you or I. Romulus Quirinus Jan 2013 #73
du rec. nt xchrom Jan 2013 #37
Maybe they need $$ for an expensive ad campaign? RandiFan1290 Jan 2013 #39
It's against the law to withhold his report card. proud2BlibKansan Jan 2013 #48
I just looked at the Illinois Code...I think they can withold his report card to her. msanthrope Jan 2013 #50
Just can't beat that fine old 'Students First!!!' attitude MichiganVote Jan 2013 #54
I think it's pretty awful. I wish the mother would post specific msanthrope Jan 2013 #56
Whose infractions? The kid's or the schools. MichiganVote Jan 2013 #57
Well, there you have the problem--this is Illinois State Law, and NCLB. msanthrope Jan 2013 #77
NCLB has nothing to do with the regulations this school violated. MichiganVote Jan 2013 #82
Well, I'm not your partner, but what regulation do you think they didn't follow? msanthrope Jan 2013 #85
Per the rules governing 504 Plans, this child should have been evaluated for a 504 Plan. MichiganVote Jan 2013 #92
Tell me how you know nothing was initiated? Do you have this child's records? nt msanthrope Jan 2013 #94
Do you? Unlike you, I work this stuff. Parents don't go to the press if work is in progress. MichiganVote Jan 2013 #95
I taught kids adjudicated into care. I worked this stuff, too. Then I went to law school. msanthrope Jan 2013 #97
laws are for public schools. HiPointDem Jan 2013 #61
Seriously. It is illegal. proud2BlibKansan Jan 2013 #63
yet apparently they're doing it. i believe a lot of the stunts the banksters pulled were illegal as HiPointDem Jan 2013 #65
Like I said, Mom needs a good lawyer. proud2BlibKansan Jan 2013 #66
Yep. Welcome to the REAL public schools Charter..... MichiganVote Jan 2013 #96
Charter schools are like Lake Wobegone Romulus Quirinus Jan 2013 #71
A new low in the Race To the Toilet initiative. This is criminal, truly criminal. Jefferson23 Jan 2013 #88
Teenagers need Marijuana MORE than they need Charter Schools nikto Feb 2013 #113
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