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graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
13. after the fact. Not preannounced before the fact.
Wed Feb 6, 2013, 07:26 AM
Feb 2013

He is talking generally not specifically.
Not prior to.

That is specifically covered in the already approved Congressionally voted what a president can do.

he is talking after the fact, not indiviually needing to pre-announce so the perp can get away before hand.

And if BinLaden was any example, it took months before permission was given and specifically a drone was not used so as not to further a conspiracy theorist saying he wasn't there, which is why they did it old school and not drone, but who wouldn't have wished for a drone
two months prior to OBL giving out the plans to his team and saving 3000 lives, and the mass destruction of the economy.
I know I wouldn't have minded, and I live in the NYC area and see the empty space where the WTC used to be every single day.

Important part of his statement is the first pargraph above.

and btw, attempting to overthrow the government is from our founding fathers, treason.

Anything Lincoln did is legal.
War powers act. Congress declared it war on terror.
The President already has the permission. And needs it.

and terrorism is something that terrorizes.
There are no longer USSR cold war borders.
Now, war has been gerrymandered and people who want to hurt people is here there and everywhere. And wanting to hurt ones own people are just as bad and the same as wanting to hurt someone elsewhere.

One life to save 3000 lives(plus multiplied out to all their families) well, it seems obvious.

Don't want Presidential abuse? Don't elect a bad president.

feel free to disagree.
but the important part to me is the 1st paragraph.


Do cops send a mesage over the airwaves or a call or text to any criminal, saying
we are going to knock on your door and arrest you Wednesday morning 9am?
Of course not. They get permission.
The president already has permission (and again-it is months or more that the person is known. It doesn't happen over night anyhow. And most times they have a needle in the haystack opportunity of finding the perp.


IMHO as always feel free to disagree.

Ron Wyden, liberal democratic Oregon is saying he is FOR DRONES graham4anything Feb 2013 #1
Black or White? davidpdx Feb 2013 #6
Yes, I am for it. Ron and I are on the same side. We are for it. graham4anything Feb 2013 #10
This is his point Ichingcarpenter Feb 2013 #11
after the fact. Not preannounced before the fact. graham4anything Feb 2013 #13
The President's argument is only valid if no mistakes are made. HooptieWagon Feb 2013 #22
Truman dropped a bomb. Were all those people guilty? graham4anything Feb 2013 #24
I think there's a difference... HooptieWagon Feb 2013 #25
The cold war is dead.that is so 1980s. This is 2013. No borders, new enemies. graham4anything Feb 2013 #26
No he is not. Coyotl Feb 2013 #18
This is going to be key: ProSense Feb 2013 #2
Exactly. What's so difficult about that Cha Feb 2013 #23
I personally would like to back it up a bit, ronnie. If say, russia declared that it's at war with HiPointDem Feb 2013 #3
+a million n/t Catherina Feb 2013 #4
Civilized countries like the US and Russia would resolve it without unilateral action... EastKYLiberal Feb 2013 #7
'these joke countries'? that comment and the attitude behind it is the problem. they're a HiPointDem Feb 2013 #9
My thoughts Ichingcarpenter Feb 2013 #5
This is how evil begins-subtley, reasonably. bubbayugga Feb 2013 #8
Burning infidels at the stack was all very exactingly regulated by a set of laws, slavery too Coyotl Feb 2013 #17
I am against this policy ReRe Feb 2013 #12
How many disappeared are there? Coyotl Feb 2013 #19
Wyden and Udall tried warning us about USA PATRIOT Act secret laws and COULDN'T. Octafish Feb 2013 #14
Yeah and the Patriot Act Ichingcarpenter Feb 2013 #16
To be accused is to be convicted Ichingcarpenter Feb 2013 #20
Then exploded. Octafish Feb 2013 #21
"Every American has the right to know when their government believes that it is allowed to kill them Coyotl Feb 2013 #15
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