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Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
17. Completely full of shit.
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 05:12 AM
Feb 2013

A very close relative is a rural carrier (rural carriers are a separate group from city carriers, they have their own contract and union) and your attempt to paint your experience as typical is flat out bullshit. 'G' has worked for the USPS full time for about 12 years. 'G' works 5 days a week now, but previously it has been 6 days every week or every other week as 'G' has bid onto other routes.

Rural carriers are paid based on the number of hours it is calculated that it should take (not the actual hours spent) to deliver the volume for their specific route and this rate is determined by a "count" which is carried out a couple of time per year on average. During count supervisors shadow the carriers and track everything they do over the course of two weeks and the results of that determines how much they will be paid until it is done again. (This in itself is outrageous to me. Imagine doing your own job with your boss literally following or standing behind you and tracking every single thing you do every day for two weeks, then deciding how much time they think it should take!)

The loss of Saturday delivery doesn't alter the volume of mail, it is simply docking workers pay. When they come back in on Monday, all that mail is still going to have to be delivered, so it is guaranteed to make Mondays a very long day for less money. That's bad enough, but three day weekends are going to be absolutely unmanageable. As a result of this idiocy, that mail is going to have to be rolled into the following day, so your service will decline.

To review, this "former rural letter carrier" is advocating that it is right that workers do more work for less money and that degraded service is the right thing to do. I would doubt that this poster has ever been a USPS carrier except that I've known so many who are just that dumb.

And again, the only reason the USPS is losing any money is because of the ridiculous pension prefunding requirement (funding pensions for future employees not even born yet) imposed by Congress in 2006 that would literally put any private or governmental organization out of business. There are plenty of place where the budget could be cut and savings in operating expenses that are certainly possible, but they would effect the outrageous salaries and benefits of the political class employees and halting the forced subsidies to "private" carriers. Funny how those cuts are never even mentioned.

This message was self-deleted by its author rdharma Feb 2013 #1
We're behind you brothers and sister of the USPS! rdharma Feb 2013 #2
As am I mikekohr Feb 2013 #3
Darryl Issa has graduated from stealing cars....... rdharma Feb 2013 #4
My uncle is a retired letter carrier, the USPS is a much needed agency rustydog Feb 2013 #5
Agreed! Get Congress out of the way, and stay out of the way of needed change mikekohr Feb 2013 #7
what's the distinction between a 'rural letter carrier' and usps? you mean a contractor? HiPointDem Feb 2013 #6
A Rural Letter Carrier is an employee of the United States Post Office (USPS), mikekohr Feb 2013 #10
a part-timer, i believe. that's what i thought. we have them here, and so far as i know they're HiPointDem Feb 2013 #11
Wrong! Rural Letter Carriers Are Full-time Employees of the USPS mikekohr Feb 2013 #12
if they are full-time employees, just like other employees, then there's no cost-savings involved HiPointDem Feb 2013 #13
Wrong! A rural letter carrier can deliver many small villages in an hour or so mikekohr Feb 2013 #14
So could a regular postal worker, then. But regular postal workers don't do it, there's a separate HiPointDem Feb 2013 #16
A Rural Letter Carrier IS a "regular" Postal worker. These customers would continue to be served mikekohr Feb 2013 #20
You contradict yourself in your very own post. And you work for UPS, so quit pretending to be HiPointDem Feb 2013 #31
Wrong Again! Aren't you even reading my posts before you slam them? mikekohr Feb 2013 #39
you said -- never mind, my error. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #47
Post Script: Yesterday the Post Office announced major reductions in many of the small/tiny offices mikekohr Feb 2013 #25
That's another wonderful idea that shrub and Potter (former Post Master General) pushed Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #18
I hve no idea where that letter writer is coming from. Sheldon Cooper Feb 2013 #8
Agree ananda Feb 2013 #9
There are several unions at the USPS OrwellwasRight Feb 2013 #28
Correct. There were 5 different unions for the 13 employees of the last Post Office I worked in mikekohr Feb 2013 #41
Yes, I agree consolidation could help avoid turf wars and improve flexibility, etc. OrwellwasRight Feb 2013 #48
The 75 year pre-payment is just one of the big issues facing the USPS and is the easiest to fix mikekohr Feb 2013 #49
The problems I address existed long before the 2006 "cluster F" imposed by the Repukes in Congress mikekohr Feb 2013 #42
Eventually rural folks will have to travel into town to get their mail Lex Feb 2013 #15
Wrong! read above posts mikekohr Feb 2013 #21
Right! Lex Feb 2013 #30
Wrong! Rural Letter Carriers, employees of the USPS, will deliver the mail to their homes mikekohr Feb 2013 #40
No USPS = No rural delivery. Lex Feb 2013 #44
That's my point. If we don't allow the needed changes the USPS will fold under it's own weight. mikekohr Feb 2013 #50
Completely full of shit. Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #17
thanks for the information. that sounds more logical. can you add some detail about the HiPointDem Feb 2013 #19
Rural Letter Carriers are NOT private carriers. mikekohr Feb 2013 #24
The subsidies are numerous and go back for decades. Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #34
thanks. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #35
10 years ago I bought money orders at the Post Office LibertyLover Feb 2013 #57
A little bit of knowledge is dangerous and your headline debases your argument, mikekohr Feb 2013 #23
And some reading comprehension might allow you to reach rational conclusions. Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #32
Wrong on a number of points, correct on a number of others. mikekohr Feb 2013 #63
True, just another way for service to decline, people to accuse the USPS SaveAmerica Feb 2013 #56
Did they email this out or use regular mail? The Straight Story Feb 2013 #22
What changes are you talking about? Privatizing postal service?????? valerief Feb 2013 #26
There are 5 post offices within 2 miles of my house -- so it's not just a rural problem FarCenter Feb 2013 #27
Bingo! nt mikekohr Feb 2013 #29
there are two po's within 5 miles of my home; but 3 ups & 4 fedex offices. i guess they have HiPointDem Feb 2013 #36
Are you counting drop boxes, former Kinko's, franchised UPS stores, and affiliates like Staples? FarCenter Feb 2013 #37
i'm counting stores labeled ups & fed ex in the phone book that have telephone numbers and HiPointDem Feb 2013 #38
Now we are getting somewhere. Congress, as well as we, have to allow the Post to adapt mikekohr Feb 2013 #43
i live in a rural small town, so -- wrong. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #45
And I live on a rural route and delivered the mail for 10 years mikekohr Feb 2013 #51
Repubs mandating funding pensions for unborn people is designed to kill the Post Office upi402 Feb 2013 #33
And here's another piece that has actual facts as opposed to the Libertarian swill Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #46
"Postage prices rise, but USPS still teeters at the edge of ruin" mikekohr Feb 2013 #53
A load of codswallop written in jargon. The article completely ignores every salient issue. Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #58
Mail Volume declined each and every year of the ten years I worked there mikekohr Feb 2013 #60
Since you have ignored every bit of factual information that I and others have presented you Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #61
Dear Thug, you are good at dishing it out, but you take a punch poorly mikekohr Feb 2013 #62
Sorry but I have to disagree Niceguy1 Feb 2013 #52
You just agreed with my point without realizing it mikekohr Feb 2013 #54
I was referring to access Niceguy1 Feb 2013 #64
Access will not suffer with delivery via Rural Letter Carrier mikekohr Feb 2013 #65
It's always wrong to think you know what everyone is thinking. SaveAmerica Feb 2013 #55
There were similar "concerns" when the Post Office eliminated twice a day delivery mikekohr Feb 2013 #59
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