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In reply to the discussion: I will tell you why Maddow's "Hubris" aired NOW and not back then. And you won't like it. [View all]progressoid
(49,969 posts)49. Phil Donahue tried to expose it and MSNBC FIRED HIM because of it.
In July 2002, Phil Donahue returned to television after seven years of retirement to host a show called Donahue on MSNBC. On February 25, 2003, MSNBC canceled the show, citing his opposition to the imminent invasion of Iraq by the United States military. Donahue was the highest rated show on MSNBC at the time it was canceled, managing to beat out Chris Matthews' MSNBC show "Hardball" in the ratings.[15] But Matthews was a big proponent of the Iraq invasion and he cultivated a good relationship with MSNBC's management before Donahue came to the network. He played a crucial role in procuring the firing of Donahue and "saw himself as MSNBC's biggest star, and he was upset that the network was pumping significant resources into Donahue's show."[16] In the fall of 2002, U.S. News & World Report ran a gossip item that had Matthews saying over lunch in Washington that if Donahue stays on the air, he could bring down the network. After the item was published, Matthews showed up at Donahue's office and apologized.
Soon after the show's cancellation, an internal MSNBC memo was leaked to the press stating that Donahue should be fired because he opposed the imminent U.S. invasion of Iraq and that he would be a "difficult public face for NBC in a time of war."[17] Donahue commented in 2007 that the management of MSNBC, owned by military contractors General Electric and Microsoft Corp., required that "we have two conservative (guests) for every liberal. I was counted as two liberals."[18] In 2005 Norman Solomon's book Made Love, Got War: Close Encounters with America's Warfare State came to the same conclusion.
Donahue continued to oppose the U.S. invasion and occupation of Iraq after MSNBC fired him. He participated in public marches and rallies against the occupation and even debated Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly, who strongly supported the war.[19] During his 2005 appearance on O'Reilly's show, he told O'Reilly, "In the last year, two things have doubled. The number of dead American troops in Iraq has doubled from over a thousand to almost two thousand. You know what also doubled, Billy? The price of Halliburton stock -- from thirty-three to sixty-six dollars. That doesn't shame you? That doesn't make you wonder whether this is an enterprise that is worth the support of the American people?" (Halliburton Company, through its subsidiary KBR, received billions of dollars in government contracts to help manage the military's occupation of Iraq.)[20] Donahue continued, "There is no democracy without dissent."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Donahue#MSNBC_program
Soon after the show's cancellation, an internal MSNBC memo was leaked to the press stating that Donahue should be fired because he opposed the imminent U.S. invasion of Iraq and that he would be a "difficult public face for NBC in a time of war."[17] Donahue commented in 2007 that the management of MSNBC, owned by military contractors General Electric and Microsoft Corp., required that "we have two conservative (guests) for every liberal. I was counted as two liberals."[18] In 2005 Norman Solomon's book Made Love, Got War: Close Encounters with America's Warfare State came to the same conclusion.
Donahue continued to oppose the U.S. invasion and occupation of Iraq after MSNBC fired him. He participated in public marches and rallies against the occupation and even debated Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly, who strongly supported the war.[19] During his 2005 appearance on O'Reilly's show, he told O'Reilly, "In the last year, two things have doubled. The number of dead American troops in Iraq has doubled from over a thousand to almost two thousand. You know what also doubled, Billy? The price of Halliburton stock -- from thirty-three to sixty-six dollars. That doesn't shame you? That doesn't make you wonder whether this is an enterprise that is worth the support of the American people?" (Halliburton Company, through its subsidiary KBR, received billions of dollars in government contracts to help manage the military's occupation of Iraq.)[20] Donahue continued, "There is no democracy without dissent."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Donahue#MSNBC_program
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I will tell you why Maddow's "Hubris" aired NOW and not back then. And you won't like it. [View all]
CoffeeCat
Feb 2013
OP
You wanna talk 9/11? The neocons admitted they needed a "Pearl Harbor-type event" to invade Iraq.
chimpymustgo
Feb 2013
#165
If you really study how they did it, all they have to do is nothing. It doesn't even have to be on
leveymg
Feb 2013
#177
When a well-known influential 3rd-Wayer participated in the promotion of Republican principles
AnotherMcIntosh
Feb 2013
#175
Correct-aside from Keith and Air America - there was no public outcry of the outrage
KaryninMiami
Feb 2013
#15
keith & air america didn't exist when the war started. there was basically no one in the msm
HiPointDem
Feb 2013
#153
Google "Operation Mockingbird." They say that it has been discontinued. n/t
AnotherMcIntosh
Feb 2013
#11
Charlie Pierce just made a GREAT point about "Hubris" on Steph Miller's show this A.M.
bullwinkle428
Feb 2013
#14
Wow!!! When I Read That Quote By Rove - It Makes The Hair On The Back Of My Neck Stand Out....
global1
Feb 2013
#26
Agreed. And an important part of the implementation of the whole thing has been the recognition
patrice
Feb 2013
#33
I'm not sure they did. There were some people around OWS who were close to others who
patrice
Feb 2013
#98
General usage: intolerant views or practices; strong demogogic approach; obedience to strong leader
patrice
Feb 2013
#154
CoffeeCat may be referring to the fact that ALL of the necessary information was publicly
patrice
Feb 2013
#50
So shouldn't this mean that aggressive behavior against "history's actors" is pretty much necessary?
AZ Progressive
Feb 2013
#93
I think another thing that is affecting our ability to respond is how we compartmentalize our ISSUES
patrice
Feb 2013
#46
Yes, Chris "we're all Neocons now" Matthews and his fawning over Bush's Mission Accomplished moment
maddiemom
Feb 2013
#168
You knew they were all lying when Phil Donague tried to tell the truth and they
southernyankeebelle
Feb 2013
#52
ICAM. So where do you think Obama fits in? To what degree is he complicit?
MotherPetrie
Feb 2013
#57
There are a couple of possibilities. The CT version is that he made a deal with the devil
rhett o rick
Feb 2013
#147
Maybe it's a combination of the two. If it's the latter, I think his legacy is already tarnished
MotherPetrie
Feb 2013
#172
You make some good points. Bottom line for me is I have seen no evidence Obama is even fighting it.
MotherPetrie
Feb 2013
#171
We knew what we were headed for by the caliber of the man...Where was the careful vetting by the...
Tikki
Feb 2013
#65
Too late to do anything about it. The only justice will come when these people burn in hell!
Liberal_Stalwart71
Feb 2013
#71
Just a point of fact: Rachael's show didn't start until 2008, Keith's in 2003, Cooper Sept 2003.
Fla Dem
Feb 2013
#75
Right. It prevents NOTHING. Whoever controls the anthrax controls the world. nt
valerief
Feb 2013
#76
Thanks for the full quote. Its always good to get to the source. Welcome to DU! nt
riderinthestorm
Feb 2013
#88
Forget Ayn Rand.It's always seemed that Rove and his ilk read Huxley and Welles
maddiemom
Feb 2013
#173
Media control has weakened, thankfully. Control of politics and media matters. Boycott $$$ Media.
Coyotl
Feb 2013
#85
K&R. Too little, too late. You've certainly nailed that head, but make no mistake, it is still
Egalitarian Thug
Feb 2013
#91
and meanwhile new crimes are being committed that we are not allowed to talk about, are called
HiPointDem
Feb 2013
#101
So when are we the people going to get really pissed and do something about those fuckers???????
Hotler
Feb 2013
#113
Not that it really matters; she got her first show in mid-2005, long after the run-up and invasion.
George II
Feb 2013
#144
The point of the OP is not so much about Rachel but about why a program like HUBRIS
Uncle Joe
Feb 2013
#128
K n R One of the best summaries I've seen here in a while. There is actually...
mojowork_n
Feb 2013
#141
Here, here. Well said. Hopefully you are not preaching to the choir and some of the lurkers
MichaelSoE
Feb 2013
#146
The traitors are so arrogant, they know if they break the law, they won't be punished.
Octafish
Feb 2013
#183