No one could have said it better. (Reply #60)

In the discussion thread: I will tell you why Maddow's "Hubris" aired NOW and not back then. And you won't like it. [View all]

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Tue Feb 19, 2013, 01:25 PM

OLDMDDEM (1,415 posts)

60. No one could have said it better.

I commend you on your dissertation about Hubris. While watching it I got mad all over again. These guys did not fool me the first time however they have such a huge criminal mind that they would try anything again and again. This war was "for profit." Look at the companies involved, expecially Halliburton. Enough said. Imopentoit.com

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186 replies	Author	Time	Post
I will tell you why Maddow's "Hubris" aired NOW and not back then. And you won't like it. [View all]	CoffeeCat	Feb 2013	OP
I can agree	Puzzledtraveller	Feb 2013	#1
Seriously, imagine this...	SkyDaddy7	Feb 2013	#162
You wanna talk 9/11? The neocons admitted they needed a "Pearl Harbor-type event" to invade Iraq.	chimpymustgo	Feb 2013	#165
If you really study how they did it, all they have to do is nothing. It doesn't even have to be on	leveymg	Feb 2013	#177
I hear what you're saying	jollyreaper2112	Feb 2013	#2
It's possible to do both.	Fantastic Anarchist	Feb 2013	#8
the problem with the media	jollyreaper2112	Feb 2013	#36
You get no argument from me.	Fantastic Anarchist	Feb 2013	#48
'A democrat gets caught in a sex scandal, he resigns'...uh, clinton?	HiPointDem	Feb 2013	#103
depends on your value of sex scandal	jollyreaper2112	Feb 2013	#110
They will "come back like fungus."	AnotherMcIntosh	Feb 2013	#34
Vichy Dems	jollyreaper2112	Feb 2013	#41
Yes. Veni, Vidi, Vichy.	AnotherMcIntosh	Feb 2013	#67
I'll bastardize the Latin	jollyreaper2112	Feb 2013	#70
The fungus analogy	disndat	Feb 2013	#174
When a well-known influential 3rd-Wayer participated in the promotion of Republican principles	AnotherMcIntosh	Feb 2013	#175
"...his henchmen were able	xxqqqzme	Feb 2013	#90
There is not ONE SINGLE new thing in 'Hubris'	cali	Feb 2013	#3
Respectfully, I didn't take that away from the OP at all.	Fantastic Anarchist	Feb 2013	#9
Very good cali....	Tippy	Feb 2013	#19
The OP didn't say that nobody spoke out. Calm down.	yardwork	Feb 2013	#63
You have to read between the lines.	zeemike	Feb 2013	#83
Wow, you are dead wrong in your interpretation of what I wrote...	CoffeeCat	Feb 2013	#97
You got that right!	JuniperLea	Feb 2013	#115
There is plenty of truth in the OP	BlueStreak	Feb 2013	#133
Very good point and astute observation.	Fantastic Anarchist	Feb 2013	#4
Air America	nadinbrzezinski	Feb 2013	#10
Ah, forgot about that.	Fantastic Anarchist	Feb 2013	#24
A LIFE saver for my sanity in those days! nt	patrice	Feb 2013	#44
Very true	treestar	Feb 2013	#5
It's not like Keith Olbermann never talked about this stuff.	Buzz Clik	Feb 2013	#6
Rachel did not have a show in 2002 or 2003.	karynnj	Feb 2013	#31
Corporate conspiracies mean nothing if people stand up for the truth.	randome	Feb 2013	#7
Correct-aside from Keith and Air America - there was no public outcry of the outrage	KaryninMiami	Feb 2013	#15
*Except for the millions of people who took to the streets. nt	IdaBriggs	Feb 2013	#20
yep....	dhill926	Feb 2013	#25
All day long on CSpan...	JuniperLea	Feb 2013	#117
Yes- I was one of them but the media barely covered it.	KaryninMiami	Feb 2013	#30
Put 10 teabaggers on the corner and see what coverage they get.	6000eliot	Feb 2013	#157
+ 10 million (Number of people world wide who protested) n/t	truedelphi	Feb 2013	#118
keith & air america didn't exist when the war started. there was basically no one in the msm	HiPointDem	Feb 2013	#153
Well, there was Phil Donahue,	maddiemom	Feb 2013	#166
Google "Operation Mockingbird." They say that it has been discontinued. n/t	AnotherMcIntosh	Feb 2013	#11
Maybe the name has, but not the operation itself. nt.	OldDem2012	Feb 2013	#58
Thank You for this...	haikugal	Feb 2013	#73
K&R	forestpath	Feb 2013	#12
The reason humanity seems like a mindless zombie consuming life is	Coyotl	Feb 2013	#13
Charlie Pierce just made a GREAT point about "Hubris" on Steph Miller's show this A.M.	bullwinkle428	Feb 2013	#14
MSNBC was complicit.	grasswire	Feb 2013	#35
and they still are	Mnpaul	Feb 2013	#109
you said it way better than I did. nt	Viva_La_Revolution	Feb 2013	#16
k/r	Solly Mack	Feb 2013	#17
It's true. They create their own reality.	Baitball Blogger	Feb 2013	#18
Excellent post!	City Lights	Feb 2013	#21
That quote should be in front of the public every day. It's importance	wiggs	Feb 2013	#22
Thanks for this...	TheProgressive	Feb 2013	#23
Wow!!! When I Read That Quote By Rove - It Makes The Hair On The Back Of My Neck Stand Out....	global1	Feb 2013	#26
Can't expand, but have a recollection of it...	JuniperLea	Feb 2013	#116
The MSM is controlled by 6 multi-national corporations	watoos	Feb 2013	#27
Creating reality	MuseRider	Feb 2013	#28
The key was owning the media.	UnrepentantLiberal	Feb 2013	#29
In 2001, Ann Coulter said....	grasswire	Feb 2013	#32
Agreed. And an important part of the implementation of the whole thing has been the recognition	patrice	Feb 2013	#33
This is important	haikugal	Feb 2013	#77
I'm not sure they did. There were some people around OWS who were close to others who	patrice	Feb 2013	#98
I still don't get the practical definition	TheKentuckian	Feb 2013	#151
General usage: intolerant views or practices; strong demogogic approach; obedience to strong leader	patrice	Feb 2013	#154
Okay, I see where you are coming from.	TheKentuckian	Feb 2013	#185
It aired now in response to McCain's questioning of Hagel.	Marr	Feb 2013	#37
I thought of that quote as well in regard to "Hubris"	deutsey	Feb 2013	#38
Maybe I'm wrong	MynameisBlarney	Feb 2013	#39
CoffeeCat may be referring to the fact that ALL of the necessary information was publicly	patrice	Feb 2013	#50
I was trying to make the point...	CoffeeCat	Feb 2013	#96
D'oh!	MynameisBlarney	Feb 2013	#99
Well, I understand...	CoffeeCat	Feb 2013	#139
well done CoffeeCat	barbtries	Feb 2013	#40
A current issue is climate.	freedom fighter jh	Feb 2013	#42
So shouldn't this mean that aggressive behavior against "history's actors" is pretty much necessary?	AZ Progressive	Feb 2013	#93
What's necessary, I think, is to see that the truth prevails.	freedom fighter jh	Feb 2013	#143
Excellent post	Auggie	Feb 2013	#43
That quote by Rove chilled me to the bone.	Zorra	Feb 2013	#45
I think another thing that is affecting our ability to respond is how we compartmentalize our ISSUES	patrice	Feb 2013	#46
I think it has has much to do with who now owns NBC...	Sekhmets Daughter	Feb 2013	#47
that is a very important observation about GE--good point!	renate	Feb 2013	#54
I'm old enough to remember	Sekhmets Daughter	Feb 2013	#59
Yes, exactly...And the energy companies are some of the worst culprits...	CoffeeCat	Feb 2013	#94
If you consider	Sekhmets Daughter	Feb 2013	#107
If we developed fusion energy the oil era would end	Occulus	Feb 2013	#121
Are you talking cold fusion?	Sekhmets Daughter	Feb 2013	#122
Nope. Star in a bottle.	Occulus	Feb 2013	#124
Thanks...	Sekhmets Daughter	Feb 2013	#134
Very well said. The reality is so chilling (nt)	CoffeeCat	Feb 2013	#129
Some lessons scar you for life....	Sekhmets Daughter	Feb 2013	#132
I would dare to say...	CoffeeCat	Feb 2013	#140
Excellent observation as to the twisted psyches	Sekhmets Daughter	Feb 2013	#142
Comcast bought out the remainder of GE's interest in NBC on 2-12-2013....	OldDem2012	Feb 2013	#64
I wasn't certain the deal had approval....	Sekhmets Daughter	Feb 2013	#69
Dangerous	onpatrol98	Feb 2013	#131
Of course it is all about profit...	Sekhmets Daughter	Feb 2013	#137
Phil Donahue tried to expose it and MSNBC FIRED HIM because of it.	progressoid	Feb 2013	#49
Yes, Chris "we're all Neocons now" Matthews and his fawning over Bush's Mission Accomplished moment	maddiemom	Feb 2013	#168
what we have now and hopefully they won't take away is	riverbendviewgal	Feb 2013	#51
You knew they were all lying when Phil Donague tried to tell the truth and they	southernyankeebelle	Feb 2013	#52
Exactly! n/t	truedelphi	Feb 2013	#119
+ 10000	raouldukelives	Feb 2013	#53
I wrote this yesterday...	Javaman	Feb 2013	#55
Excellent post..	haikugal	Feb 2013	#87
Karma will not be kind to the Rove Man I tinks?	benld74	Feb 2013	#56
ICAM. So where do you think Obama fits in? To what degree is he complicit?	MotherPetrie	Feb 2013	#57
There are a couple of possibilities. The CT version is that he made a deal with the devil	rhett o rick	Feb 2013	#147
Maybe it's a combination of the two. If it's the latter, I think his legacy is already tarnished	MotherPetrie	Feb 2013	#172
That is the million dollar question...	CoffeeCat	Feb 2013	#167
You make some good points. Bottom line for me is I have seen no evidence Obama is even fighting it.	MotherPetrie	Feb 2013	#171
x2	AnotherMcIntosh	Feb 2013	#176
No one could have said it better.	OLDMDDEM	Feb 2013	#60
This is true and it's why Cheney caused 9/11 to happen as well.	yardwork	Feb 2013	#61
Totally agree!	radhika	Feb 2013	#62
We knew what we were headed for by the caliber of the man...Where was the careful vetting by the...	Tikki	Feb 2013	#65
At least they are out of power at the moment	Proud Liberal Dem	Feb 2013	#66
Yes, and I love Obama's choice of Hagel...	CoffeeCat	Feb 2013	#105
Truth. Remember the neocons were already in El Salvador	Taverner	Feb 2013	#68
Too late to do anything about it. The only justice will come when these people burn in hell!	Liberal_Stalwart71	Feb 2013	#71
Yes, they make things up	Blue4Texas	Feb 2013	#72
It was based on this book, published in 2007	BainsBane	Feb 2013	#74
Just a point of fact: Rachael's show didn't start until 2008, Keith's in 2003, Cooper Sept 2003.	Fla Dem	Feb 2013	#75
Right. It prevents NOTHING. Whoever controls the anthrax controls the world. nt	valerief	Feb 2013	#76
Takeover warning	12zelda12	Feb 2013	#78
Also when Cheney was still with Haliburton	EC	Feb 2013	#79
For most, war is hell. For Dick, war is business.	Blue Owl	Feb 2013	#80
Just cleaning up the quote a bit:	Strat0	Feb 2013	#81
Thanks for the full quote. Its always good to get to the source. Welcome to DU! nt	riderinthestorm	Feb 2013	#88
well, let's not forget the how and why that's possible	stupidicus	Feb 2013	#82
I agree with every word you said.	Stinky The Clown	Feb 2013	#84
Forget Ayn Rand.It's always seemed that Rove and his ilk read Huxley and Welles	maddiemom	Feb 2013	#173
Media control has weakened, thankfully. Control of politics and media matters. Boycott $$$ Media.	Coyotl	Feb 2013	#85
Yes, the Internet has made a mockery of the MSM, hasn't it?	CoffeeCat	Feb 2013	#100
I propose they devise their future realities from a prison.	jinx1	Feb 2013	#86
Phil Donahue spoke out at MSNBC. They fired him because of it.	Zen Democrat	Feb 2013	#89
K&R. Too little, too late. You've certainly nailed that head, but make no mistake, it is still	Egalitarian Thug	Feb 2013	#91
THIS is the REAL reality	AZ Progressive	Feb 2013	#92
Except it did air back then, in real time	Recursion	Feb 2013	#95
and meanwhile new crimes are being committed that we are not allowed to talk about, are called	HiPointDem	Feb 2013	#101
some things don't change...	ensemble	Feb 2013	#150
This has been a HUGE	laundry_queen	Feb 2013	#178
+1.	HiPointDem	Feb 2013	#181
MSNBC Led The Cheers For That War	colsohlibgal	Feb 2013	#102
Very well said	malaise	Feb 2013	#104
And now history has decided unanimously to label Rove as a terrorist	Rex	Feb 2013	#106
Kick for the sad, unvarnished truth n/t	Duer 157099	Feb 2013	#108
No wmd	astalfort	Feb 2013	#111
well said. and welcome to DU!	NRaleighLiberal	Feb 2013	#123
Republicans like to rename their crimes,	felix_numinous	Feb 2013	#112
So when are we the people going to get really pissed and do something about those fuckers???????	Hotler	Feb 2013	#113
Sadly, you are right. But there may be some people who have finally become	Squinch	Feb 2013	#114
Except Real Reality Has Real Consequences	Skraxx	Feb 2013	#120
She didn't have a show back then	George II	Feb 2013	#125
Air America	JuniperLea	Feb 2013	#126
Not that it really matters; she got her first show in mid-2005, long after the run-up and invasion.	George II	Feb 2013	#144
That's 1 year after the invasion. (nt)	jeff47	Feb 2013	#145
The point of the OP is not so much about Rachel but about why a program like HUBRIS	Uncle Joe	Feb 2013	#128
K&R	Jamastiene	Feb 2013	#127
Accurate.	davidthegnome	Feb 2013	#130
I believe the Suskind quote was much earlier.	Fuddnik	Feb 2013	#135
The military bases used to invade Afghanistan were also in place before 9-11	PufPuf23	Feb 2013	#136
I agree with what you say, but when I post a thread	Dustlawyer	Feb 2013	#138
You're not wrong on this. Don't feel alone. I'd K & R such a thread.	ancianita	Feb 2013	#184
K n R One of the best summaries I've seen here in a while. There is actually...	mojowork_n	Feb 2013	#141
Here, here. Well said. Hopefully you are not preaching to the choir and some of the lurkers	MichaelSoE	Feb 2013	#146
The glass is half full?	xtraxritical	Feb 2013	#148
You're not being cynical, you're just being reality-based.	rocktivity	Feb 2013	#149
some people are hearing this for the first time	Rosa Luxemburg	Feb 2013	#152
You forgot to mention the election	Chico Man	Feb 2013	#155
We, also, can act. n/t	Fire Walk With Me	Feb 2013	#156
'Hubris Isn't the Half of It'	Fedaykin	Feb 2013	#158
Yep...	Veri1138	Feb 2013	#159
I would say only	BEZERKO	Feb 2013	#160
Why would...	sendero	Feb 2013	#161
This is the big frustration...	CoffeeCat	Feb 2013	#170
A wingnut I work with...	sendero	Feb 2013	#180
It	Madmiddle	Feb 2013	#163
Learning from history	libdude	Feb 2013	#164
"It doesn't have to stay this way"	ProSense	Feb 2013	#169
Letting it air now allows MSNBC to make the claim the media are ''liberal.''	Octafish	Feb 2013	#179
+1	HiPointDem	Feb 2013	#182
The traitors are so arrogant, they know if they break the law, they won't be punished.	Octafish	Feb 2013	#183
k & r! Well said. nt	wildbilln864	Feb 2013	#186

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