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calimary

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16. Welcome to DU, Lobo27!
Sat Feb 23, 2013, 06:24 PM
Feb 2013

Glad you're here. That's something I fear, too.

EVEN IF the republi-CON who'd win would probably talk all nice and mellow about not flexing America's muscles and how we can't afford more wars like this - you just watch.

If that horrendous turn of fate were to happen, we'd have to watch ALL THE PEOPLE THAT republi-CON WOULD BRING INTO THE WHITE HOUSE WITH HIM. Who'd be advising him? Who'd be whispering in his ear at Camp David or after hours or at some of those fancy dinners? Who'd be on his National Security team? How many chickenhawks? It'd be a frickin' PARADE of chickenhawks all hot for war to prove how macho they are (since, after all, they couldn't be bothered to go to actual war when they were younger and had the chance, and now, in their dotage, they've still got chips on their shoulders that need to be exercised).

Just plain 'n' simple, the GOP needs to be kept OUT of the White House. Just think - if john mccain lives long enough - how many times HE would be in there as a "respected" elder statesman/advisor, and HE would be the one whispering in the GOP president's ear about going to war. At their last CONvention last August, remember how many wars he ticked off - Yemen, Syria, Iran, back to Iraq, beef up Afghanistan - I counted at least FIVE.

PLEASE, NOBODY FORGET:::::::: In the PNAC manifesto, they earnestly believed and pushed their KEY idea of the U.S. being able "to fight and decisively win multiple wars on multiple fronts." That was a HUGE part of it. Their absolutely idiotic, unrealistic, and utterly imaginary but still fervent belief that the United States is this invincible all-war-all-the-time machine, or should be. That's all they wanted. That's all they STILL want. They're not finished.

Believe me. They are NOT finished, NOR do they feel defeated. They are NOT finished. They are NOT willing to admit their ideas were wrong, impractical, unrealistic, untenable, or ridiculously impossible. THEY still think we're up to it, as some sort or warrior-nation. And I guarantee you, they WILL be back. Especially if they think they still have scores to settle, like mccain does, or all those fucking assholes who think we didn't finish the job in Iraq and need to go back in there and "show 'em who's boss!"

PLEASE DON'T FORGET THIS!!!! NOT EVER!!!!!

One other thing is key here, too::::: FEW IF ANY of the PNAC signatories ever fought. They NEVER saw combat. NEVER put their lives and/or limbs on the line for their country. CERTAINLY NEVER volunteered to put themselves in harm's way for their country. NEVER even wore their country's uniform (except for rumsfeld, who served during the time BETWEEN the Korean and Vietnam aggressions - but he never saw combat, either). Whether it was dick cheney, jebbie bush, frank gaffney, bill kristol, randy scheunemann, robert kagan, elliott abrams, ken adelman, or ANY of the rest of those bastards, NONE of them were military or war veterans. NONE of them knew anything about what war actually is - beyond what they saw on TV or heard about during high-level briefings while comfortably ensconced in their expensive padded leather conference room chairs. NOT ONE. But they sure knew how to saber-rattle, and NOBODY had bigger hard-ons for war.

It's probably the single biggest reason NEVER to vote for republi-CONS for national office - OR high state office. No matter how nice they seem or how mellow and reasonable and educated and grounded-in-reality they seem to be. NEVER. One of these assholes could be president some day, or vice president. And it's a mistake we CANNOT afford to make, as a nation, ever ever EVER again!!!!

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Joe [View all] Scuba Feb 2013 OP
You tell 'em, Joe. HappyMe Feb 2013 #1
My thought exactly! nt Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #13
Gotta love him. He's the original BFD. pinboy3niner Feb 2013 #2
I only wish we'd hear such sharp-edged candor Plucketeer Feb 2013 #15
+3 kurtzapril4 Feb 2013 #38
Yeah working out great isn't it? SammyWinstonJack Feb 2013 #41
BFD...that says it perfectly! Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #39
Whoa. That reminds me of another great quote from Cold Mountain. Baitball Blogger Feb 2013 #3
If I remember correctly.. FiggyJay Feb 2013 #4
Yes he did.. but did he vote to not fund them? Did anyone? mountain grammy Feb 2013 #5
Congress was lied to, just like the American people AndyA Feb 2013 #6
Yeggzactly so. xtraxritical Feb 2013 #30
Joe was lied to Lordquinton Feb 2013 #7
he knew better... come on NoMoreWarNow Feb 2013 #37
I think so too. nt. SammyWinstonJack Feb 2013 #42
so you're psychic now? Lordquinton Feb 2013 #48
he was smart enough to know better NoMoreWarNow Feb 2013 #51
My thoughts exactly. (nt) harmonicon Feb 2013 #36
He didn't vote for the tax cuts.... Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #40
Joe is a great VP. progressivejazzredux Feb 2013 #8
I thought he would have made a great one in 2008, too! :-) gateley Feb 2013 #53
Just Like Harry Truman chuckstevens Feb 2013 #9
K&R - nt Ohio Joe Feb 2013 #10
If there isn't a Dem President in 2016. Lobo27 Feb 2013 #11
There's no oil in N. Korea. It'll be Iran. Scuba Feb 2013 #12
Welcome to DU, Lobo27! calimary Feb 2013 #16
By jove, I think she's got it!!! summerschild Feb 2013 #18
+1 freshwest Feb 2013 #31
Had the righties been in during the Arab spring toby jo Feb 2013 #17
NEVER forget!!!!! calimary Feb 2013 #14
just slap the mofo, joe! spanone Feb 2013 #19
This is why . . . Brigid Feb 2013 #20
I loves me some Joe Biden ProfessionalLeftist Feb 2013 #21
shushh, the Media is SLEEPING! BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2013 #22
Can I kick this twice? tecelote Feb 2013 #23
! lonestarnot Feb 2013 #24
FuckinA progressoid Feb 2013 #25
Love this guy. Glimmer of Hope Feb 2013 #26
I love you Joe!!!!!!!!!! onecent Feb 2013 #27
SEIZED! That's the perfect word for it! tosh Feb 2013 #28
Yup.....how soon people forget Historic NY Feb 2013 #29
HUGE K & R !!! WillyT Feb 2013 #32
Harry Truman said it best: "I don't give them Hell, I just tell the truth, and they think it's Hell" NeeDeep Feb 2013 #33
I'll drink to that. SunSeeker Feb 2013 #34
God I loved that debate. dorkulon Feb 2013 #35
I did also. nm rhett o rick Feb 2013 #46
This should be repeated by all Democrats to the media daily MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #43
I like this idea. However, do you think the results would be worth the effort? rhett o rick Feb 2013 #47
I would vote for Joe before Hilary! Would Hilary be the corporation shill her husband was? Dustlawyer Feb 2013 #44
No one has said it better, PatSeg Feb 2013 #45
Ryan was outed as an empty suit, and a not very bright one at that debate. Ikonoklast Feb 2013 #49
K/R moondust Feb 2013 #50
I LOVE THIS MAN! gateley Feb 2013 #52
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