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tavalon

(27,985 posts)
137. Or maybe your situation is different,
Wed Feb 27, 2013, 10:07 AM
Feb 2013

though if a person told you that you imagined workplace bigotry because of your sexual orientation or that people didn't still make jokes about your sexuality behind your back, I think you might rethink your position.

As a woman, I am well aware that there is cultural bias that isn't even noticed or recognized by the general culture of the U.S.

As an example and example only, when society wants to say that we are weaker than them, they call me a "pussy" and you a "fag". Both have become synonymous with weak and effeminate (which in and of itself has become a term that means weak). When we admire strength, we say things like "_________ really has steel balls". Heterosexual and male is the pinnacle to be striven for, if we follow societies dictates.

While both of our classes are getting less oppressed with each passing year, I don't think we've crossed the finish line, not by a long shot.

Big K&R LiberalLoner Feb 2013 #1
Can I take exception to the word 'privileged'? sadbear Feb 2013 #2
Agreed Lordquinton Feb 2013 #9
I think we know what the OP meant Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2013 #12
Not being able to argue better than everyone else is not the same as being wrong. merrily Feb 2013 #54
Such a simple concept duhneece Feb 2013 #125
Well, the OP claimed no "status as victim" intaglio Feb 2013 #105
In other words... Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2013 #133
Did you write this word salad? intaglio Feb 2013 #177
I can't help you... Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2013 #190
You do not even write at an fifth grade level intaglio Feb 2013 #200
BAM. Well done. bettyellen Feb 2013 #222
About your points about grammar: you're wrong muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #234
Technically correct, it's just that the subject, the "I", is indeterminate intaglio Feb 2013 #254
it's completely clear and in fact you understood it: HiPointDem Feb 2013 #261
I actually disagree strongly with Jeff's position muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #266
In discussions downthread, I think the OP and I are probably pretty close in our opinion Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2013 #270
You know how to tell when you're losing an argument? Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2013 #248
The subject is still undefined intaglio Feb 2013 #255
Listen up, class Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2013 #267
wtf? massive fail on the writing analysis. the poster writes just fine, and the sentence has HiPointDem Feb 2013 #259
As observed in my response to Muriel intaglio Feb 2013 #260
It's completely clear that the poster was paraphrasing your argument (sarcastically), and that HiPointDem Feb 2013 #263
Post removed Post removed Feb 2013 #221
Suggestion: Keep trying. LanternWaste Feb 2013 #276
Lack of privilege confers privilege. Please get with the program. snagglepuss Feb 2013 #195
So asking for some objectivity Tsiyu Feb 2013 #206
Can you give an example of what you are talking about because I have no idea from Maraya1969 Feb 2013 #126
You know perfectly well what was meant... Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2013 #130
I actually was thinking you had another idea besides hating on the poor or the transgendered Maraya1969 Feb 2013 #131
Nailed. First try. Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2013 #136
You obviously did not read the article. That makes sense. But don't try to blame your Maraya1969 Feb 2013 #150
I actually obviously DID read the article... Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2013 #163
Context or perspective is really hte issue, not whether or not one's position iemitsu Feb 2013 #145
this mac56 Feb 2013 #156
I understood the OP in the struggle context, as well. ancianita Feb 2013 #189
I meant it exactly in that relative sense. Matariki Feb 2013 #13
I think everyone should listen.... MellowDem Feb 2013 #14
Actual discussions about sexism or racism in our culture Matariki Feb 2013 #16
I agree those are never prefereable... MellowDem Feb 2013 #19
Good post... one_voice Feb 2013 #48
I would say that actual discussions about sexism and racism hfojvt Feb 2013 #64
Straight people should not lecture GLBTQ people on being overly geek tragedy Feb 2013 #66
why not? hfojvt Feb 2013 #83
... Number23 Feb 2013 #108
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Feb 2013 #120
Love. Starry Messenger Feb 2013 #238
No, "incorrect" does not = "overly senstitive." bread_and_roses Feb 2013 #123
So did you lecture him about the error of his ways? If not, you are proving the point. Squinch Feb 2013 #134
See, that should have been a learning lesson for you. NCTraveler Feb 2013 #139
to learn what? hfojvt Feb 2013 #171
But, you don't know what life experience he has. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #154
of course, I do not know his experiences hfojvt Feb 2013 #169
Just because a perception is incorrect doesn't make it irrational though. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #174
not sure why rationality needs to come into it hfojvt Feb 2013 #201
But, to use the example you cited, he's not imagining anything. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #202
yes, let's compare being black with being iron deficient! bettyellen Feb 2013 #224
Talking over people can happen in conversation, but not on a message board. merrily Feb 2013 #53
Here's my frustration... Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2013 #146
If it had been just one person, I might agree with you gollygee Feb 2013 #147
My point is this... Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2013 #172
Well, attempting to be satirical doesn't give him a free pass gollygee Feb 2013 #181
Again, my point... Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2013 #186
OK. Again, my point . . . gollygee Feb 2013 #204
OK... Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2013 #249
it was such a poor attempt at satire it was indisinguishable from frat boy "humor" bettyellen Feb 2013 #225
Imho, Ted is a stupid movie. That is all. n/t Fla Dem Feb 2013 #149
It might well be... Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2013 #164
No, that's ok. Everyone has their unique taste in movies. I saw "ted" in the theater because... Fla Dem Feb 2013 #175
Now, you see... Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2013 #188
Best post I've read in weeks rjj621 Feb 2013 #161
I'm not sure what privilege has to do with it Major Nikon Feb 2013 #253
" It's a way to exclude someone who you think has it better than you" Better? Absolutely not. merrily Feb 2013 #52
??? I think you misunderstood or misrepresented dreamnightwind Feb 2013 #87
I read his post too quickly. Wish you had left it at "misunderstood" though. merrily Feb 2013 #90
It looked like an unlikely mistake, that's all dreamnightwind Feb 2013 #119
Message auto-removed matwilson Feb 2013 #3
thank you! cally Feb 2013 #4
thank you. Matariki Feb 2013 #7
You seem to have something Jenoch Feb 2013 #57
I'm not baffled by it at all. sibelian Feb 2013 #100
Or maybe your situation is different, tavalon Feb 2013 #137
It's called "Argument from Authority" Lordquinton Feb 2013 #187
That's exactly how I see it. sibelian Feb 2013 #262
Yeah, that! tavalon Feb 2013 #132
I note that you did not say this, but I am curious: Common Sense Party Feb 2013 #205
You make so much sense. smirkymonkey Feb 2013 #278
"It is what I say it is" Confusious Feb 2013 #5
Perfectly stated. cate94 Feb 2013 #6
Amen! Texasgal Feb 2013 #8
K&R Starry Messenger Feb 2013 #10
K&R Squinch Feb 2013 #11
And remember texshelters Feb 2013 #15
Excellent post. dawg Feb 2013 #17
Describe 'privileged' cliffordu Feb 2013 #18
I'll pretend your question isn't disingenuous and answer it. Matariki Feb 2013 #20
You mean like the privilege that demands cliffordu Feb 2013 #26
It's not your job though. galileoreloaded Feb 2013 #32
Nice. cliffordu Feb 2013 #40
yes, please... stop all this white knighting bullshit for everyone's sake bettyellen Feb 2013 #71
Has there ever been a law on the books that anyone put themselves in harm's way? Jamastiene Feb 2013 #86
why pretend to be noble and seethe in resentment and claim special privileges for it? bettyellen Feb 2013 #92
because clearly culture is all codified in laws and something must be 'one's job' or it needn't be HiPointDem Feb 2013 #265
I'm sorry, I have no idea what you are talking about. Matariki Feb 2013 #37
Well played... cliffordu Feb 2013 #39
Oh, so you think being a man makes you the oppressed one? nt geek tragedy Feb 2013 #61
Again, parsing what's actually written cliffordu Feb 2013 #74
is this stolen from Batman, LOL? hoping you forgot the sarcasm smiley.... bettyellen Feb 2013 #69
Nope. cliffordu Feb 2013 #75
well someone sold you a bill of goods, you don't have a heavier burden than anyone on earth bettyellen Feb 2013 #77
Your post is enlightening and a fine instruction. cliffordu Feb 2013 #78
free your mind, and your ass will follow! bettyellen Feb 2013 #80
Dunno what you're talking about. cliffordu Feb 2013 #81
\you make *your choices* sound like a huge burden- yet say you are comfortable bettyellen Feb 2013 #88
Yep you are exactly right. cliffordu Feb 2013 #91
Good- you needed that! bettyellen Feb 2013 #93
Consider me sufficiently enlightened. cliffordu Feb 2013 #94
better enlightened than a white knight with a martyr complex. bettyellen Feb 2013 #99
That would be me. cliffordu Feb 2013 #102
Since when? Jamastiene Feb 2013 #85
The cops can take an hour to show up. cliffordu Feb 2013 #89
Then, don't resent it. Jamastiene Feb 2013 #97
I don't resent any of it, cliffordu Feb 2013 #101
you seem to be blissfully unaware that just as many women and minorities bettyellen Feb 2013 #227
Your post enlightens and instructs. cliffordu Feb 2013 #228
Well what a load of self justifying and content light verbiage intaglio Feb 2013 #111
Golly gosh. cliffordu Feb 2013 #143
Who said it was roses and beer? intaglio Feb 2013 #173
So do I know as much as you do about the guilt feelings the patriarchy instills in men, or Squinch Feb 2013 #140
Neither. cliffordu Feb 2013 #144
But you know that my post is just really restating the OP, right? Squinch Feb 2013 #159
I am Jewish. Cary Feb 2013 #153
This message was self-deleted by its author cliffordu Feb 2013 #155
Even when privilege is pointed out there are those here who ignore or dismiss it Major Nikon Feb 2013 #256
someone who doesn't have to believe in a god in order to get through the daily routine of life? snooper2 Feb 2013 #36
Thinking you might be right. cliffordu Feb 2013 #41
A privilege is ANYTHING that is taken by means of ANY advantage & not through any consensual patrice Feb 2013 #113
I'm not ignoring you - I will respond to your post later as my day is turning out to be hectic. cliffordu Feb 2013 #152
I don't even like the term progressive Mnpaul Feb 2013 #21
Error #1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2013 #22
It's like fish thinking there's something wrong with other creatures drowning in water Matariki Feb 2013 #24
I have used that exact analogy ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2013 #25
It's woven into our very language Matariki Feb 2013 #30
Just a minor nitpick. And it really is a nitpick. white_wolf Feb 2013 #50
It is confusing to me on the dark=evil thing especially. Jamastiene Feb 2013 #95
I love the night too. I like it alot better than day actually. white_wolf Feb 2013 #96
But the ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2013 #178
Good point. white_wolf Feb 2013 #277
How refreshing ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2013 #279
Being more privileged than someone else is not the same as being unable to listen or emphathize. merrily Feb 2013 #55
Nailed. It. Number23 Feb 2013 #82
But...but...but....we have a black president now Cali_Democrat Feb 2013 #106
I know, right??! Number23 Feb 2013 #107
I call that The Beyonce Defense gollygee Feb 2013 #118
That's not the issue quite a few people have with the post... MellowDem Feb 2013 #170
I agree, though there may be a limit somewhere treestar Feb 2013 #23
Matariki, they get it. They really do... Jasana Feb 2013 #27
K&R ChaoticTrilby Feb 2013 #28
Look at these priviliged tykes Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #29
It is possible to be part of a privileged group while being part of a non-privileged group. ChaoticTrilby Feb 2013 #31
Thank you. Matariki Feb 2013 #35
No problem. ChaoticTrilby Feb 2013 #43
thank you for your excellent post hopemountain Feb 2013 #44
I missed nothing, nor do I desire to erase anything Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #47
So, rich black people don't get pulled over for DWB? geek tragedy Feb 2013 #68
You are over-simplifying the matter. ChaoticTrilby Feb 2013 #103
You just lumped all white people, all straight people, and all men together Confusious Feb 2013 #183
What? ChaoticTrilby Feb 2013 #214
So the white male hetrosexual bum Confusious Feb 2013 #216
No. I don't think so. ChaoticTrilby Feb 2013 #229
Well, you see herein lies the problem Confusious Feb 2013 #233
Colorblind racism gollygee Feb 2013 #243
Hmm...I see what you are getting at. ChaoticTrilby Feb 2013 #244
Sure it is Confusious Feb 2013 #79
It's still called "don't be an ass hole." ChaoticTrilby Feb 2013 #115
You hit all the social justice warrior buzzwords Confusious Feb 2013 #207
Social justice warrior buzzwords? ChaoticTrilby Feb 2013 #226
No, I'm not calling you a hypocrite Confusious Feb 2013 #239
Okay, good. I was just a little uncertain because most of the Tumblr meme focused on hypocrisy. ChaoticTrilby Feb 2013 #245
Nice post. But it's important to remember, that even those poor white kids Number23 Feb 2013 #104
I wasn't sure when those pictures were taken, so I was mostly speaking in a more modern context. ChaoticTrilby Feb 2013 #112
No, I don't think your post negated anything. Number23 Feb 2013 #192
Your 2 cents are appreciated. ChaoticTrilby Feb 2013 #231
It's my pleasure. I appreciate your efforts to educate. And judging by the poster you are Number23 Feb 2013 #235
I always take my vitamins! ChaoticTrilby Feb 2013 #246
African Americans have been graduating from Yale since the 1840's Confusious Feb 2013 #176
Oh my God. No, really? gollygee Feb 2013 #184
Good gravy. Number23 Feb 2013 #191
Moving the goalposts Confusious Feb 2013 #194
Segregation and racial discrimination would have precluded the vast majority of blacks from attendin Number23 Feb 2013 #198
Still moving the goalposts Confusious Feb 2013 #199
No, "most of the north" had not integrated by the 30s gollygee Feb 2013 #203
That one has his head buried in the sand and a bulldozer couldn't get it out Number23 Feb 2013 #212
Five edits for that foolishness? Number23 Feb 2013 #213
Wow, you are the model social justice warrior Confusious Feb 2013 #217
The fact that you are working so hard to condemn people who are concerned about social justice Number23 Feb 2013 #218
Par for the course Confusious Feb 2013 #230
OK. Why nobody can see it. gollygee Feb 2013 #241
Jury results: JackBeck Feb 2013 #219
Thanks, Jack. I tried, you know. I edited, but the sentiment most certainly remains Number23 Feb 2013 #220
Why do some people act like pointing out societal priviledge is just a ploy to make them feel guilty Matariki Feb 2013 #33
You weren't pointing out societal privilege... MellowDem Feb 2013 #167
Point well taken customerserviceguy Feb 2013 #34
I dare you to post this in meta and see the response you get. LOL boston bean Feb 2013 #38
+1 redqueen Feb 2013 #45
Or TMG. Nt geek tragedy Feb 2013 #70
Well stated. October Feb 2013 #42
r-e-s-p-e-c-t hopemountain Feb 2013 #46
Yes! I tried to sketch the rational basis for why respect is absolutely essential to this patrice Feb 2013 #114
Some would regard me as under privileged for being DeadEyeDyck Feb 2013 #49
Matariki, I want to thank you NeeDeep Feb 2013 #51
I would have expected that OP to be uncontroversial among Democrats. Silly me. merrily Feb 2013 #56
Part of privilege means being able to pretend privilege doesn't exist. nt geek tragedy Feb 2013 #58
I would think that's part of being an asshole, not part of being a privileged Democrat. merrily Feb 2013 #59
The ability is different than the propensity. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #60
Yes, but I would expect that of most Democratic males. merrily Feb 2013 #62
People like to think of themselves as the underdog. nt geek tragedy Feb 2013 #63
But, also as winners and also as reality based, rather than delusional merrily Feb 2013 #65
Well, yeah, they're a winner for what they've done, not the advantages they have! Nt geek tragedy Feb 2013 #67
I would have thought that my post 56 was not terribly controversial, either. merrily Feb 2013 #76
Welcome to DU Number23 Feb 2013 #215
I Reject the Framing AndyTiedye Feb 2013 #72
A pretty silly and somewhat obnoxious post. MrModerate Feb 2013 #73
Agreed but also I find the OP to be rather odd. Cary Feb 2013 #138
My favorite quote ismnotwasm Feb 2013 #84
I tried to break down some of the problems in recognizing this in my post #113 above. patrice Feb 2013 #117
I see that ismnotwasm Feb 2013 #135
There is so much that is about process, how to_____ ,everything else can be affected by that. nt patrice Feb 2013 #157
It is also important for the "disinfranchised" AND progressive to remember... Behind the Aegis Feb 2013 #98
That is very important. boston bean Feb 2013 #141
"If more people would focus on the issue versus those pointing it out, we might get somewhere." redqueen Feb 2013 #165
+1 leftstreet Feb 2013 #180
trust the person making the claim sigmasix Feb 2013 #109
From my experience with this subject TM99 Feb 2013 #110
Your response to the OP FlaGranny Feb 2013 #121
As I said, TM99 Feb 2013 #162
There's a saying ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2013 #182
Oh I DO like that. MuseRider Feb 2013 #237
As is the norm ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2013 #185
That is a very good phrasing of the problem! KitSileya Feb 2013 #208
I, initially, had added ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2013 #210
I note that 90 people have Rec'd this, not 6 gollygee Feb 2013 #116
I have a good illustration.... Burma Jones Feb 2013 #122
Progressive is a DLC term formercia Feb 2013 #124
The reason I say 'progressive' DaveJ Feb 2013 #129
but do "progressives" exist? Puzzledtraveller Feb 2013 #160
liberal assumes a commitment BainsBane Feb 2013 #196
This thread has earned the Ron Obvious Award. nt valerief Feb 2013 #127
And precisely who... 99Forever Feb 2013 #128
I cannot see one instance in the OP where who is privileged and who is not is pointed out. KitSileya Feb 2013 #209
The implication is quite clear. 99Forever Feb 2013 #211
Isn't it only privileged people who call themselves "progressive"? harmonicon Feb 2013 #142
I posted in Meta about something similar Aerows Feb 2013 #148
the concept of "offending" or "offensive" have been dumbed down alc Feb 2013 #151
Yes. But it cuts both ways. Don't put up a wall and call it a door. nolabear Feb 2013 #158
Being a white male has made life so goddamn easy for me, I tell you. Comrade_McKenzie Feb 2013 #166
A good 50 or 60% of the developing world wickerwoman Feb 2013 #223
The problem with the privilege meme is that, like your post, snagglepuss Feb 2013 #232
In the context of this discussion, wickerwoman Feb 2013 #247
yes, and their lives are no doubt harder than yours as well. now what? with that revelation HiPointDem Feb 2013 #264
See the OP. wickerwoman Feb 2013 #268
kind of circular. accepting your privilege leads to respect when other people tell you they're HiPointDem Feb 2013 #273
It leads to social change in the sense that wickerwoman Feb 2013 #274
if people don't know better than to call each other racists and bitches, i doubt telling them HiPointDem Feb 2013 #275
I had no idea that "Aunt Nancy" was the LGBT equivalent of "Uncle Tom" KamaAina Feb 2013 #168
You seem to have brought the MRAs out in force intaglio Feb 2013 #179
sexism BainsBane Feb 2013 #193
MRAs? WilliamPitt Feb 2013 #236
Mens Rights Activists intaglio Feb 2013 #252
Thanks WilliamPitt Feb 2013 #269
I just wish the privileged would acknowledge it and SHUT UP FOR ONCE AngryAmish Feb 2013 #197
Notice the members of privileged groups in this very thread who took offense with your OP... YoungDemCA Feb 2013 #240
Re: the concept of privileged frazzled Feb 2013 #242
Okay, but what if you've listened to the opinion, and considered it, and thought about it. BlueCheese Feb 2013 #250
Your first point is interesting intaglio Feb 2013 #257
I guess what I see here is a lot of disagreement. BlueCheese Feb 2013 #258
You might choose not to have an opinion about it wickerwoman Feb 2013 #271
I think we agree more than we disagree. BlueCheese Feb 2013 #272
I'm nothing except me. babylonsister Feb 2013 #251
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