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168. Okay, then please clear up the issue: do you think corporations should have first amendment rights
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 06:29 PM
Mar 2013

Its a yes or no question. Answering yes doesn't mean you think that they should automatically have identical first amendment and other constitutional rights as individuals but that you do agree that the constitution applies to corporations.

A no answer means you don't think that corporations should have any constitutional rights.

Also, do you think that the expenditure of money in the form of advertising or in support of a publisher of speech should be protected under the First Amendment. A no answer means that the government could ban individuals from making contributions to DU or DU from accepting contributions. A yes answer doesn't mean that the government can't put some limits on expenditures by individuals, but that those limitations have to serve a substantial governmental interest.

It could be that we actually are in agreement.

Fox News trying to make fans of gun control look stupid? NightWatcher Feb 2013 #1
Its not hard to do ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #12
Almost as easy as making gun advocates look stupid. Orrex Feb 2013 #22
The freaks on both ends make for easy news fillers ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #26
Yeah, but when gun control freaks go on a rampage... Orrex Feb 2013 #47
I thought it was offensive to call someone "nuts" or "crazy", some hypocrisy here? snooper2 Feb 2013 #105
Ahh! Shame on me! Orrex Feb 2013 #110
These are the words of "ProgressiveProfessor" on 12/14/2012: brentspeak Feb 2013 #75
Indeed that was the case...the media was in the midst of a meltdown and we did not have a clue ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #76
Ah, yes, it was certainly a "good call" for you to claim brentspeak Feb 2013 #78
Indeed it was. There is enough discrimination against the mentally ill in the county ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #80
That's right: He might have done it to get rich brentspeak Feb 2013 #81
Or have been under the influence, or... ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #85
I have a theory that you might be employed by a gun control organization brentspeak Feb 2013 #117
There is a group for conspiracies theories... ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #120
No need to TRY, this person managed just fine on their own Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #19
by the same line of argument Trajan Feb 2013 #34
I suggest you delete that... Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #42
like I really give a rat's ass Trajan Feb 2013 #54
I was just being nice. n/t Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #61
When I was in middle school xmas74 Mar 2013 #180
Tough nuggies. Guns on a shirt in school don't belong. HERVEPA Feb 2013 #2
And who is making Marine shirts with guns on them? tridim Feb 2013 #11
Some people are such delicate flowers ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Feb 2013 #94
I wasn't part of it... ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #95
Wow, a Fox News story catapulted by the Daily Caller. Robb Feb 2013 #3
Love how people don't comment on stories but sources The Straight Story Feb 2013 #5
OK. It's also an idiotic story, and makes you look stupid for posting it. Robb Feb 2013 #7
Please edit the personal insult before someone hits alert. IdaBriggs Feb 2013 #25
Posting links to Fox News and the Daily Caller *doesn't* make people look stupid? Robb Feb 2013 #59
The link was to a Yahoo story. Straight Story is *NOT* stupid. IdaBriggs Feb 2013 #83
I would definitely vote as a Juror to "Leave it" if someone alerted on his post. madinmaryland Mar 2013 #193
Ha! You ever visit the I/P dungeon? I'd guess 50% of the comments are related to sources. Purveyor Mar 2013 #151
Have no fear, alp227 the source hunter is here! alp227 Mar 2013 #175
then re-catapulted by Yahoo Enrique Feb 2013 #97
"poisoning the well" Lizzie Poppet Feb 2013 #113
Well, just for you The Straight Story Mar 2013 #143
You truly must think DUers are idiots. Robb Mar 2013 #147
Umm, more like reddit most likely The Straight Story Mar 2013 #178
As a matter of fact.... The Straight Story Mar 2013 #146
OK then here's a story about this incident from the local paper: alp227 Mar 2013 #174
but, but...fox news and other places had it to, so it can't be real and us talk about it The Straight Story Mar 2013 #177
Is there some part of... 99Forever Feb 2013 #4
Delicate is being scared of pictures (nt) The Straight Story Feb 2013 #6
Nope. 99Forever Feb 2013 #8
The Superintendent backed the student, not the delicate flower ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #28
So what? 99Forever Feb 2013 #31
It means the teacher was wrong ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #33
Nope... 99Forever Feb 2013 #37
The one who set the policy gets to make that call ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #56
The one that made the call needs to be fired... 99Forever Feb 2013 #58
Exactly, if only the teacher was smart enough to follow clearly stated policy hughee99 Feb 2013 #30
So you are in favor of school Zero Tolerance policies? Bake Feb 2013 #69
This appears to be the act of an over-zealous (or over-cautious) teacher Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2013 #9
Picture is disgusting. I'm hoping the talk with the guidance counselor helped. HERVEPA Feb 2013 #63
I agree Macoy51 Feb 2013 #67
If you'd every met the guidance counselor, you'd be howling with laughter... Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2013 #71
This message was self-deleted by its author ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #79
Not to mention the lack of eye protection ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #77
I saw your flameout in Meta over this, did you alert as well? ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #128
OMG pintobean Mar 2013 #139
Ping my ass with a bb-gun, will you? (nt) Jeff In Milwaukee Mar 2013 #140
I had to give my bb gun to a nephew pintobean Mar 2013 #141
I'm sure the NRA will be in their corner (nt) Jeff In Milwaukee Mar 2013 #148
Ridicule effort to detect reason for concern? TXDem1975 Mar 2013 #182
I bought my sons a bunch of HappyMe Feb 2013 #10
"It’s more about the Marines instead of the rifles." randome Feb 2013 #13
What about the Marines is "non violent" ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #17
I know. They dress it up in high-sounding 'security' and 'educational' functions. randome Feb 2013 #21
I'd guess unless your military job is in communications, transportation, medicine, logistics, hughee99 Feb 2013 #35
Every Marine, regardless of specialty, is first and foremost a rifleman ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #38
Yes, and yet depending on their job, they can spend a vast majority of their time hughee99 Feb 2013 #50
Or airplane mech, or tanker. ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #52
I agree. The point I was responding to was what they spend a majority hughee99 Feb 2013 #55
I spent a tour of duty in the Air Force during the Vietnam Era ... spin Feb 2013 #93
Greetings fellow AF vet. Pararescue Feb 2013 #101
Thanks. ... spin Feb 2013 #114
Career AF here Pararescue Feb 2013 #116
We all know that marines carry guns only as a fashion statement. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2013 #82
Exactly. Do a google search for US Marines T shirt, alp227 Mar 2013 #173
My daughter has a hoodie she can no longer wear to school. sadbear Feb 2013 #14
That's a pretty design! Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #20
Here's a photo of the shirt deutsey Feb 2013 #16
Its a more modern version of the cross-rifle insignia sported by US Army Infantry Victor_c3 Feb 2013 #64
Well, it seems to me that you earned that badge deutsey Feb 2013 #111
Suspension is too lenient Capt. Obvious Feb 2013 #18
Only after they Taze him Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #23
Looks like the administration backed down and backed the kid ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #24
They didn't back down. It was never a violation to begin with. (nt) Nine Feb 2013 #27
Indeed, the teacher was wrong in their threat of suspension. ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #32
What action do you think should be taken? Nine Feb 2013 #43
Counsel the teacher and keep an eye out for retaliation ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #51
Wow. You want to send a teacher to counseling for asking a kid to turn his shirt inside out? Nine Feb 2013 #68
I said counsel...which means you sit down with the employee and discuss what happened ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #73
And why shouldn't they run to the media with it? Bake Feb 2013 #70
You have one side of the story TXDem1975 Mar 2013 #181
That's too bad Capt. Obvious Feb 2013 #40
Careful or there will be a counter reaction by the students and maybe the staff ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #46
Did you copy and paste that? Capt. Obvious Feb 2013 #49
Good. We ne to do all we can to counteract the pro gun/ pro military mindset n this country. bowens43 Feb 2013 #29
The teacher was wrong according to Superintendent of Schools ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #39
Yeah, you really can't count on administration to stand behind the teachers. sadbear Feb 2013 #84
Perhaps the teacher was wrong or took the wrong approach to it. ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #86
Or perhaps this student simply ignored previous warnings. sadbear Feb 2013 #87
I take that to mean that this was the first time any of the staff did anything about it ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #89
Or the first time they stopped warning him. sadbear Feb 2013 #90
There is some ambiguity there ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #91
Yup. sadbear Feb 2013 #92
Espcially when the teacher becomes the target... TXDem1975 Mar 2013 #183
Welcome to DU!!! sadbear Mar 2013 #194
Happened at my wife's school Taverner Feb 2013 #36
Isn't that what kids do? Dealing with it is a big part of what teachers do ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #41
I'm not arguing that it isn't an overreaction... Taverner Feb 2013 #44
Bad judgement for asking a student to turn his shirt inside out? Nine Feb 2013 #45
A phone call would have sufficed ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #53
Are you sure they didn't just fail the Fox News test? (nt) Nine Feb 2013 #57
The Washington Post test is actually media independent and this is now on multiple media sources ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #65
I know what you meant. Nine Feb 2013 #74
Poor kid...he can't find a Marines tee shirt without death sticks on it. Walk away Feb 2013 #48
I'm not a rah-rah semper fi kind of guy Bake Feb 2013 #72
Most schools these days forbid "logo" shirts of ANY kind.. SoCalDem Feb 2013 #60
Not from what I have seen ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #66
If any other shirt that madmom Feb 2013 #62
It was allowed... Whats_that Feb 2013 #96
So if another kid came in with the exact same shirt but without madmom Feb 2013 #102
It appears that the rules do not specifically mention guns ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #108
I have no problem with the shirt, but I want to know if it was madmom Feb 2013 #112
The policy is vague and that is probably intentional ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #115
FAUX "News" phony outrage rdharma Feb 2013 #88
Its on more places that Faux ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #99
my kid had to turn his shirt inside out Enrique Feb 2013 #98
My kid was threatened with suspension and it wasn't even a rule violation ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #103
Yeah, seems they left this one open to wide interpretation. sadbear Feb 2013 #106
Look, you can't have it both ways. Nine Mar 2013 #135
Take a look from a different perspective ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #136
Asking a kid to turn a t-shirt inside out is an "unnecessarily aggressive" step? Nine Mar 2013 #137
You are still thinking in binary terms ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #163
This message was self-deleted by its author ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #160
If everyone wore shirts with pictures of guns on them, nobody would be scared of shirts slackmaster Feb 2013 #100
LOL ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #104
If everyone watched FAUX, everyone would be scared .....of EVERYTHING! rdharma Feb 2013 #107
It's against state law where I teach to wear clothing with guns proud2BlibKansan Feb 2013 #109
Have that law handy? I'd expect such a law to be struck down pretty damned fast on 1st am grounds.nt X_Digger Feb 2013 #119
I assume he means students at school where the BOR is strongly curtailed. ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #122
Right, but that's a wholly different thing than 'against state law'.. X_Digger Mar 2013 #131
He cleared up his context in a reply to me. ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #132
I must be missing it, then. *shrug* X_Digger Mar 2013 #133
Try here ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #134
The Supreme Court refused to hear a case challenging school dress code in 2010. proud2BlibKansan Feb 2013 #124
Right, but you piqued my interest with 'against state law'.. X_Digger Mar 2013 #130
You mean by students? ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #121
Adults who are employees would be covered under the district dress code. proud2BlibKansan Feb 2013 #125
Students are under similar strictures? ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #129
Zero-tolerance stupidity in action! Peter cotton Feb 2013 #118
Zero Tolerance is for stupid people and cowards. Iggo Feb 2013 #123
GREAT way to throw away a teaching moment. elleng Feb 2013 #126
Good for the teacher. MotherPetrie Feb 2013 #127
That's a pretty common dress code. LWolf Mar 2013 #138
Lego guns scare some people too Proud Liberal Dem Mar 2013 #142
And... 99Forever Mar 2013 #145
If this is a dress code issue, that's one thing Proud Liberal Dem Mar 2013 #149
No sir. 99Forever Mar 2013 #150
Whoa Proud Liberal Dem Mar 2013 #153
So you wouldn't suspend.. 99Forever Mar 2013 #156
I'm not sidestepping anything Proud Liberal Dem Mar 2013 #170
Call it what you want, but its a form of speech that has greater protection than sexually explicit onenote Mar 2013 #154
And at a point in time ... 99Forever Mar 2013 #157
Do you think a court would uphold a ban on a t-shirt with this picture? onenote Mar 2013 #158
Doesn't matter what "I" think. 99Forever Mar 2013 #159
If you didn't think a court would ever give corporations constitutional rights onenote Mar 2013 #165
Way to completely miss the point. 99Forever Mar 2013 #166
Okay, then please clear up the issue: do you think corporations should have first amendment rights onenote Mar 2013 #168
Completely irrelevant to the topic of the thread. 99Forever Mar 2013 #169
I'm not the one that brought up CU onenote Mar 2013 #171
It was an example, smart guy. 99Forever Mar 2013 #172
Minors are not generally legally allowed to own sexually explicit materials in the US. ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #176
I think I'll pass on... 99Forever Mar 2013 #179
That is probably wise in many cases, but that is not what I am doing. ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #184
It is question begging. 99Forever Mar 2013 #185
Will you please teach me why it is question begging? nt ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #186
Google is your friend. Use it. 99Forever Mar 2013 #187
I did look it up again when you first made the claim, ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #188
If you choose not to get it... 99Forever Mar 2013 #189
I think you are unable to back up your claims, so you use insults instead. ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #190
I didn't make... 99Forever Mar 2013 #191
Here is your claim: ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #192
Either guns on shirts are allowed or they are not. redgreenandblue Mar 2013 #144
actually, it exactly the opposite onenote Mar 2013 #155
The dress code never addressed guns explicitly ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #161
Might have been handled better. But truth is we don't need to be promoting guns in schools. Hoyt Mar 2013 #152
I see it more as an anti-public school/anti-public school teacher/anti-teacher union thing ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #162
pictures of guns kill people... ileus Mar 2013 #164
guns kill people. look in your news. spanone Mar 2013 #167
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