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malthaussen

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14. Harder to answer than one might think.
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 05:32 PM
Mar 2013

Since I know neither man personally, it is difficult to assess them in terms of personal honor. Obviously, as politicians they both would lie, cheat, and steal to advance their agendas, so the only question there would be to whom, and how often. Given the fallout of Mr Cheney's lying, cheating, and stealing as contrasted with the fallout of Mr Chavez's, if we wish to equate "honor" with some Millsean estimate of "the greatest good for the greatest number," then Mr Chavez wins that one hands down.

Ultimately, that is how I would have to call it, under a very specific notion of political "honor" which seeks to evaluate the question "who benefits?" Mr Chavez robbed from the rich to give to the poor, and Mr Cheney robbed from the poor to give to the rich, and waged wars to do so even more. As I am of the poor and not the rich, naturally Mr Chavez seems the more honorable man.

Certainly Mr Chavez had problems typical of many rulers of Latin American countries: poverty, colonialism, militarism, ethnic inequality... the list goes on. And certainly he ruled a country in a region where coups and instability are the rule rather than the exception, and thus resorted to quite a lot of repression here and there in order to keep the boat afloat. In the context of a vision of ideal democracy, that sucks. In the context of regional history, more-or-less par for the course. Whereas Mr Cheney was privileged to rule in a political climate of stability and traditional freedom, and betrayed many of the principles of the constitution he swore to protect and defend to further his agenda. In that respect, I think he may be evaluated as rather more dishonorable than otherwise. And in light of the fact that he used every trick in the book to avoid serving his own country in time of war, and then 40 years later sent the rising generation into an endless bloodletting, I think his honor is tarnished even more.

In sum, while it is difficult to find in those actions of Mr Chavez of which I am aware any particular taint of unusual dishonor for his position, in the case of Mr Cheney, such taints are prominent. Now answer me one: why do you ask?

-- Mal

Two Questions [View all] H2O Man Mar 2013 OP
For all his faults, Chavez worked to improve the lot for the poorest among his people.... hlthe2b Mar 2013 #1
mr chavez cared for the poor, mr cheney nurtured the war spanone Mar 2013 #8
My dear H20 Man... CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2013 #2
Chaves without a doubt. And of course Cheney hated Chavez, which is not surprising! sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #3
No brainer, Hugo Chavez by a long shot. Cleita Mar 2013 #4
Hugo Chavez el_bryanto Mar 2013 #5
Are you kidding? Rex Mar 2013 #6
I was thinking of Christian saints the other day rurallib Mar 2013 #7
Cheney likes to kill animals, so I doubt he has a dog he liked. Cleita Mar 2013 #9
Hugo Chavez, of course. RebelOne Mar 2013 #10
Who gave free and comprehensive healthcare to everyone? jsr Mar 2013 #11
Interesting answers H2O Man Mar 2013 #12
Well all I know is that Cheney mmonk Mar 2013 #13
Harder to answer than one might think. malthaussen Mar 2013 #14
For the fun of it. H2O Man Mar 2013 #18
To quote Linus van Pelt: malthaussen Mar 2013 #19
Two Answers W_HAMILTON Mar 2013 #15
Chavez. davidthegnome Mar 2013 #16
Easy JonLP24 Mar 2013 #17
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