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OldDem2012

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14. Just my opinion based on the events of 9/11, but I bet United Flight 93 was actually...
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 10:10 PM
Mar 2013

....shot down. The threat to Washington, DC was eliminated, and the whiz-kids at the CIA were able to make heroes out of the passengers and crew.

I have no doubt that the passengers tried to take back the plane from the hijackers, but I think there's a second part to this story.

http://archive.democrats.com/view.cfm?id=7999

QUOTE:

SHANKSVILLE, Pa. - Ernie Stuhl is the mayor of this tiny farming borough that was so brutally placed on America's psychic map on the morning of Sept. 11, when United Airlines Flight 93 slammed nose-down into the edge of a barren strip-mine moonscape a couple of miles outside of town.

A 77-year-old World War II veteran and retired Dodge dealer, he's certainly no conspiracy theorist.

And, when you ask Stuhl for his theory of what caused the jetliner to crash that morning, he will give you the prevailing theory - that a cockpit battle between the hijackers and burly, heroic passengers somehow caused the Boeing 757 to spiral out of control. "There's no doubt in my mind that they did put it down before it got to Washington and caused more damage," he said.

But press the mayor for details, and he will add something surprising.

"I know of two people - I will not mention names - that heard a missile," Stuhl said. "They both live very close, within a couple of hundred yards. . .This one fellow's served in Vietnam and he says he's heard them, and he heard one that day." The mayor adds that based on what he knows about that morning, military F-16 fighter jets were "very, very close."


....and....

What is surprising is this: Go to Shanksville and the surrounding farm fields where people actually saw or heard the jetliner go down at roughly 10:06 that morning and there are a number of people - including witnesses - who also think that Flight 93 was shot down, or at least aren't ruling it out.

Laura Temyer, who lives several miles north of the crash site in Hooversville, was hanging some clothes outside that morning when she heard an airplane pass overhead. That struck her as unusual since she'd just heard on TV that all flights were grounded.

"I heard like a boom and the engine sounded funny," she told the Daily News. "I heard two more booms - and then I did not hear anything."


....and....

* THE 911 CALL. At 9:58 a.m., roughly eight minutes before impact, a 911 emergency dispatcher in neighboring Westmoreland County took a call from a frantic passenger who said he was locked in the bathroom of Flight 93 and that the plane had been hijacked. The caller said there had been an explosion aboard the plane and there was white smoke. Authorities have never explained the report, and the 911 tape itself was immediately confiscated by the FBI.

* THE DEBRIS FIELD. The reclaimed mine where the plane crashed is composed of very soft soil, and searchers say much of the wreckage was found buried 20-25 feet below the large crater. But despite that, there was also widely scattered debris in the immediate vicinity and further afield. Considerable debris washed up more than two miles away at Indian Lake, and a canceled check and brokerage statement from the plane was found in a deep valley some eight miles away that week.

* THE MYSTERY PLANE. Many people in the Shanksville area, including some interviewed by the Daily News, saw a fast-moving, unmarked small jet fly overhead a very short time after Flight 93 crashed. Several days later, authorities said they believe the plane was a Falcon 20 private jet that was headed to nearby Johnstown but was asked to descend and survey the crash site. Yet officials have never identified the pilot nor explained why he was still airborne roughly 30 minutes after the government ordered all aircraft to land at the closest airport.

* THE ENGINE. While the FBI and other authorities have said the plane was mostly obliterated by the roughly 500 mph impact, they also said an engine - or at least a 1,000-pound piece of one - was found "a considerable distance" from the crater. Stuhl, the Shanksville mayor, said it was found in the woods just west of the crash. That information is intriguing to shoot-down theory proponents, since the heat-seeking, air-to-air Sidewinder missiles aboard an F-16 would likely target one of the Boeing 757's two large engines.

* LOCATION OF F-16S. From Day 1, the government has given conflicting accounts about the exact whereabouts of three North Dakota Air National Guard F-16s, assigned to national air defense, based at Langley Air Force base in Virginia and scrambled at the height of the attacks.




Message auto-removed [View all] Mutatis Mutandis Mar 2013 OP
hundreds of thousands died warrior1 Mar 2013 #1
I knew that plane had been shot down Heather MC Mar 2013 #63
Should we be outraged? 99Forever Mar 2013 #2
Outrage is over rated. The elite oligarchs are in control. If you understand that then rhett o rick Mar 2013 #22
No need to pardon someone who will never be charged. 99Forever Mar 2013 #42
Dowd? annabanana Mar 2013 #3
And NOW he gloats about it. bvar22 Mar 2013 #4
+10,000 n/t Catherina Mar 2013 #8
I think he and the other war criminals should be pardoned to keep the peace. rhett o rick Mar 2013 #24
2 words come to mind. war. and. criminal. spanone Mar 2013 #5
and. sunova. b****. Gidney N Cloyd Mar 2013 #10
Yet he remains a free man with no chance of being arrested. BlueStater Mar 2013 #6
Nothing will be done, the nation bought the lie, over and over and over HereSince1628 Mar 2013 #7
This was also documented in the 9/11 Commission report. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #9
Cheney will nineteen50 Mar 2013 #11
To paraphrase Lewis Black, "good people die young" Tab Mar 2013 #60
If you ask Cheney he would claim the people of Iraq are glad we got rid of Saddam.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #12
It is unlikely sulphurdunn Mar 2013 #35
Cheney and Bush will never leave this country (Haiti maybe) for fear of arrest. xtraxritical Mar 2013 #41
+1000 n/t southern_belle Mar 2013 #47
Folks at the Pentagon used to call them "The Crazies"... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #53
Only person I know that nineteen50 Mar 2013 #13
Just my opinion based on the events of 9/11, but I bet United Flight 93 was actually... OldDem2012 Mar 2013 #14
Be warned that behavior like your post is grounds for exile to the CT dungeon. rhett o rick Mar 2013 #26
I think OldDem can deal with it. reteachinwi Mar 2013 #27
Thank you for your post. femmocrat Mar 2013 #34
It has always disturbed me sulphurdunn Mar 2013 #43
You might like this article.... OldDem2012 Mar 2013 #51
I've thought this 840high Mar 2013 #50
holy crap BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2013 #56
I have always believed that malaise Mar 2013 #61
It would be far simpler to list what he didn't lie about magellan Mar 2013 #15
I'll say this for the Cabal.. Volaris Mar 2013 #16
I can hear Mr. 5x chicken nineteen50 Mar 2013 #21
Wow, he makes W seem like a callow insecure mama's boy tularetom Mar 2013 #17
Cheney the definition of nineteen50 Mar 2013 #18
Cheney, Porter Goss, the Saudi Connection- green for victory Mar 2013 #19
Cheney's reply to the allegations: So. Lies don't matter. LeftInTX Mar 2013 #20
But what about BENGHAZI? chuckstevens Mar 2013 #23
And no congressional hearing sakabatou Mar 2013 #25
I just hope the heart he got reteachinwi Mar 2013 #28
He's in luck - it doesn't matter since neither Congress nor Obama will do a thing about it. forestpath Mar 2013 #29
Careful. johnnyreb Mar 2013 #30
Many many lies, cover up all the way. I still want to know about the bin Laden family Thinkingabout Mar 2013 #31
He admits he has lied to Congress and America lovuian Mar 2013 #32
WTF???Dowd is saying W has nothing to do with it, which helps Jeb...Why??? graham4anything Mar 2013 #33
In the words of Dead Eye Dick The Wizard Mar 2013 #36
Here is an example of what a domestic drone attack... Historic NY Mar 2013 #37
Waterboard the bastard! SCVDem Mar 2013 #38
Is was his presidency all along. 7wo7rees Mar 2013 #39
he can tell the "truth" because, no matter what he says, he will never face justice. niyad Mar 2013 #40
Why is that rat bass turd not in the Crowbar Hotel... RoccoR5955 Mar 2013 #44
And like all megalomaniacs, Cheney wants everyone to know how "brilliant" maddiemom Mar 2013 #45
some particles of truth dribble out-- bbgrunt Mar 2013 #46
cheney is just taunting us to attempt to prosecute him wet_to_activate Mar 2013 #48
Ever notice that a headline like this Whoopdedoo Mar 2013 #49
Like Rumsfeld, if Cheney's lips were moving, he was lying. Bush too. Hekate Mar 2013 #52
Cheney didn't have time to pretend W was in charge. Rex Mar 2013 #54
No more tinfoil needed?? midnight Mar 2013 #55
Prosecute the lowlife! burrowowl Mar 2013 #57
There are 1000s of pages of evidence that Cheney et. al. are all traitors just1voice Mar 2013 #58
"Heh, heh." - Dickie 'Five-Military-Deferments' Cheney (R to the Core) Berlum Mar 2013 #59
How well I remember that bleak silence... Live and Learn Mar 2013 #62
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