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HiPointDem

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89. I think that's why he did it too. And not him, really -- Greenspan and his allies. And also to
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 12:52 AM
Mar 2013

set up the 'crisis' of the future.

Wish I could rec this more than once. CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2013 #1
Are you on Tiwtter? See #HandsOffMySocialSecurity FogerRox Mar 2013 #8
Alas, I am not on Twitter. But there are other ways to contact the people involved. CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2013 #10
We want to blow up twitter and Facebook with these graphics and #HandsOffSocialSecurity #noSScuts SS FogerRox Mar 2013 #12
I am on Facebook. CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2013 #13
Skinner said hes having Elad start a DU Social Security Medicare group FogerRox Mar 2013 #15
You want all of these pictures on Facebook? CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2013 #17
Only use the ones you like, many are to promote the SS blogathon in 13 days. FogerRox Mar 2013 #21
I'll do it later tonight... CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2013 #24
Good idea, I am on Twitter and will do all I can to help stop this scam sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #65
Skinner told me we're getting a SS/MEdicare group soon FogerRox Mar 2013 #66
Raising the income cap is a no-brainer. It's so frustrating that we can't even get this simple Flatulo Mar 2013 #67
Better idea...Tell Obama keep his fucking hands off of SS and Medicare. jerseyjack Mar 2013 #9
Amen Sir. Create some damn jobs and #noSScuts #HandsOffSocialSecurity FogerRox Mar 2013 #11
Goddamn it. Keep your dirty mitts off our Social Security! FogerRox Mar 2013 #16
Second the recommendation still_one Mar 2013 #2
Thank you. FogerRox Mar 2013 #47
Not according to our resident teflon troll. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Mar 2013 #3
I can actually suggest a few Warpy Mar 2013 #4
Please explain "remove it from the General Fund" FogerRox Mar 2013 #6
I said remove Social Security from the general fund. Warpy Mar 2013 #31
The SS Trust Fund is not part of the General fund. It never was Since it was set up Jan 1 1940 FogerRox Mar 2013 #34
I give up. Warpy Mar 2013 #39
Semi fictional, seems serious. FogerRox Mar 2013 #46
You and Warpy are both right, I think magellan Mar 2013 #59
The wing nuts Tea Baggers talk about not redeming the Treasuries FogerRox Mar 2013 #69
I don't say the trust fund is in the general fund magellan Mar 2013 #76
Warpy said it. I never said you said it, please stay with the conversation. FogerRox Mar 2013 #79
Oh, I'm staying with the conversation magellan Mar 2013 #82
No. From the beginning of Social Security, any excess SS taxes were borrowed by the federal HiPointDem Mar 2013 #85
Ah, thank you magellan Mar 2013 #86
I think that's why he did it too. And not him, really -- Greenspan and his allies. And also to HiPointDem Mar 2013 #89
It sounds like corporate long term planning magellan Mar 2013 #95
that's always been my feeling about the reagan-era changes. there was no reason to jack HiPointDem Mar 2013 #106
WTH? Cato Institute, "Leninist Strategy"? magellan Mar 2013 #136
I've posted it here before, without much interest, but I'll look for the post and try again. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #138
Huh, I just kicked your OP and it didn't show up on GD?? magellan Mar 2013 #193
i kicked it again and it didn't show up either. weird. i have another op that the same thing HiPointDem Mar 2013 #194
Just did and it's appeared magellan Mar 2013 #195
no problem. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #196
SS COmmisioner had to twist Reagans arm FogerRox Mar 2013 #175
it's you who's misunderstanding. nothing changed under johnson in the disposition of SS funds. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #84
Thank you for the facts. HomeboyHombre Mar 2013 #163
42 USC § 401 - Trust Funds JDPriestly Mar 2013 #178
"how to win an election then abandon the reasons you won - coming soon to amazon nt msongs Mar 2013 #5
Unfoitunatly that may come to pass. FogerRox Mar 2013 #7
Always on the backs of the little guy. liberal N proud Mar 2013 #14
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Mar 2013 #18
Thanks WillyT. FogerRox Mar 2013 #185
But SS does have a problem: The contribution cap rurallib Mar 2013 #19
no. that's not a problem. it's being sold to you as a problem, but it's not. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #92
Reform the funding, not the payouts Generic Brad Mar 2013 #20
then SS is no longer the wage insurance it always has been FogerRox Mar 2013 #25
I don't mean allowing the rich to milk the system Generic Brad Mar 2013 #26
Even worse capping benefits is a means test and makes SS welfare FogerRox Mar 2013 #29
The average benefit is somewhere between $1200 and $1300 per month. JDPriestly Mar 2013 #56
Currently Ave male 18k, average female 13k, max benefit 30k, I know the numbers by heart FogerRox Mar 2013 #64
Exactly correct customerserviceguy Mar 2013 #135
The payout should be progressive, but there should be no cap at all. David__77 Mar 2013 #33
The people who created the program knew what they were doing. Lifting the cap means HiPointDem Mar 2013 #93
Raise the CAP!! Lower the eligiblilty AGE to 55 or 60! ErikJ Mar 2013 #22
1937? The Trust Fund was started in 1940. 2037 is total bullshit, an unrealistic prediction FogerRox Mar 2013 #27
Bernie Sanders says 2037 ErikJ Mar 2013 #35
Sanders bill cover 3/4 the actuarial gap FogerRox Mar 2013 #42
It's really more than 3/4 TexasBushwhacker Mar 2013 #53
I'm not aware the CBO scored Sanders bill FogerRox Mar 2013 #57
The idea of the untaxed window TexasBushwhacker Mar 2013 #83
113k is about 83% -84 percentile, 90% is about 215. 97.5% is 250k FogerRox Mar 2013 #150
This message was self-deleted by its author ProSense Mar 2013 #102
It's best to study the SS Trustees' reports for oneself, instead of relying on what politicians say. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #96
The facts: JDPriestly Mar 2013 #60
Her check was not drawn from the Trust Fund FogerRox Mar 2013 #70
Where's your mea culpa? grahamhgreen Mar 2013 #104
mea culpa -- for what? HiPointDem Mar 2013 #107
Actually, it wasn't until around 1985 that the tax was raised to create a cushion JDPriestly Mar 2013 #177
She got her first check in 1940. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #97
Did you make up the 1937 date? Original Law 1935, SS ammedments wet into effect in Jan 1, 1940 FogerRox Mar 2013 #49
Since there's $3 trillion owed to SS, why do you want to raise the cap and collect even*more* money HiPointDem Mar 2013 #94
Raise income taxes on capital and let them PAY BACK THE MONEY THEY BORROWED FIRST. reteachinwi Mar 2013 #139
believe me, it has. many times. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #141
Actually, it does need to be reformed.. madinmaryland Mar 2013 #23
I like your style. rhett o rick Mar 2013 #58
The cap is raised every year. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #98
I don't know what those charts mean. I don't know who to believe. Honeycombe8 Mar 2013 #28
It is 100% solvent for more than 20 years. Not ten. GoneFishin Mar 2013 #30
create jobs and raise min wage SS is good thru 2090 according to the Trustees 2012 low cost scenario FogerRox Mar 2013 #36
A few years ago it was 10 years. I got a flyer in the mail from the Soc Sec Admin. Honeycombe8 Mar 2013 #188
The Social Security Trustees produce 4 scenarios each year FogerRox Mar 2013 #32
Thanks for the data. GoneFishin Mar 2013 #41
There are actually 2 different Social Security trust funds. PoliticAverse Mar 2013 #72
The ratio of FICA that goes into the 2 funds, (OAS & DI) has been changed in the past. FogerRox Mar 2013 #77
Ahhhh...I did not know that. That may be what Repubs are referring to... Honeycombe8 Mar 2013 #189
The SS Trustees, in their middle forecast, say it will go into the red in 21 years. That's the HiPointDem Mar 2013 #99
It makes sense that current forecasts would be depressed because of the recession. Honeycombe8 Mar 2013 #190
LA Times had a good summary few days ago. reteachinwi Mar 2013 #140
Thanks! I'm getting an education! nt Honeycombe8 Mar 2013 #191
This is a direct quote from the trustees report... dkf Mar 2013 #37
Now I understand better how to interpret this data. GoneFishin Mar 2013 #43
yes indeed. one reason why the numbers should be taken with a big grain of salt. as should HiPointDem Mar 2013 #100
SS Trustees issue 4 scenarios each year FogerRox Mar 2013 #45
Yet that is their official summary piece. dkf Mar 2013 #48
And Dean Baker and Paul Krugman, both tells us 2033 is unrealistic FogerRox Mar 2013 #50
This is what got homeowners into trouble. dkf Mar 2013 #55
Do you know GDP assumptions in the Intermediate scenario ? FogerRox Mar 2013 #52
The low estimate has unemployment at 4.5%. I highly doubt that. dkf Mar 2013 #91
I appreciate the straight response FogerRox Mar 2013 #146
Because in fact, the low-cost forecast has been the most accurate over time. And because HiPointDem Mar 2013 #101
You honestly think we will have a long term unemployment rate of 4.5%? Seriously? dkf Mar 2013 #132
I think anyone who claims to be able to guess what long-term unemployment will be from 2030 to HiPointDem Mar 2013 #134
He did it by creating a real estate bubble that almost caused a systemic collapse. dkf Mar 2013 #160
Which is why I state we need to create 20 million jobs at 36k per job FogerRox Mar 2013 #147
" The intermediate assumptions reflect the Trustees' best estimate for the future behavior " dkf Mar 2013 #51
The pessimistic projections are used by people like you to advocate for SS abolition duffyduff Mar 2013 #88
The same is true of investments in the stock market and for the same reason. JDPriestly Mar 2013 #63
Holy shit, someone who actually knows what the fuck they are talking about FogerRox Mar 2013 #71
"We have to raise the minimum wage and the cap on income subject to Social Security taxes." ProSense Mar 2013 #105
I'm actually not surprised at your attempt to blur the distinction between LABOR INCOME & HiPointDem Mar 2013 #109
Wait, ProSense Mar 2013 #112
yes. you did. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #114
The cap on income is raised every year. There's a good reason for having a cap, it's the HiPointDem Mar 2013 #108
Question: ProSense Mar 2013 #115
this year's cap is $113.7 K. Only wage income has SS taxes taken out, not capital income. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #117
So ProSense Mar 2013 #118
I believe the people who set up SS were wiser than you. The cap exists for a reason, and that HiPointDem Mar 2013 #122
Do you still ProSense Mar 2013 #125
yes, raising the cap to keep it around 90% is fine by me. I read different accounts in the media HiPointDem Mar 2013 #128
113k is about 84%, 90% would be about 215k FogerRox Mar 2013 #162
link? it's a bit unbelievable to me that $215K = 90% of covered income when $250K = top 2%. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #176
From AARP FogerRox Mar 2013 #181
i'm still skeptical. no cite for their statement. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #184
Yeah, I thought it was about 186k=90% FogerRox Mar 2013 #210
90% only in reference to 1983. In 1965 the cap was at the 72nd pecentile FogerRox Mar 2013 #166
"As of 2010, about 86 percent of covered earnings fall under the tax max." HiPointDem Mar 2013 #186
Another point: ProSense Mar 2013 #121
The question is, *why* did my hypothetical high earner receive an income tax cut, while HiPointDem Mar 2013 #123
Why ProSense Mar 2013 #126
I don't think we're following each other. At least, i have no idea what you're talking about. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #129
I agree that the Social Security tax should be imposed on all income including JDPriestly Mar 2013 #198
I would impose the Social Security tax on all income regardless of the source. JDPriestly Mar 2013 #197
Right on schedule, the misinformation about projections duffyduff Mar 2013 #87
Ahh but he's a "New Democrat" Phlem Mar 2013 #38
KNR. DirkGently Mar 2013 #40
Social Security The Wizard Mar 2013 #44
while I want the chained cpi to go bye bye DonCoquixote Mar 2013 #54
Clinton created 22 million. We used to spend 5-6% on infrastructure FogerRox Mar 2013 #61
End the trade agreements that permit cheap imports. JDPriestly Mar 2013 #199
Value added tax DonCoquixote Mar 2013 #200
When I was in Germany and Austria, food was exempt from their VAT. JDPriestly Mar 2013 #211
Every system needs reform... Melon_Lord Mar 2013 #62
IT'll be better after creating 20 million jobs, I think Sir, you bypassed that little tid bit. FogerRox Mar 2013 #74
A more accurate characteristic of conservatives is lying about brentspeak Mar 2013 #80
When did anyone other than you, and then as a strawman, say "everything is better the way it is"? AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #90
The OP... Melon_Lord Mar 2013 #142
Except having a 20 million jobs deficit FogerRox Mar 2013 #145
If people are not working, they sure as hell are not paying in, and Richie Rich knows that. Why do lonestarnot Mar 2013 #68
Well said lonestarnot FogerRox Mar 2013 #183
Why thank you RogerRox. lonestarnot Mar 2013 #209
Thank you, FogerRox, excellent OP! Mnemosyne Mar 2013 #73
Thank you. And SKinner told me DU will soon get a SS/MEdicare group. FogerRox Mar 2013 #75
kr & fuck the third wayers disguised as democrats. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #78
Amen HiPointDem, good to see you in the House. SKinner said yes to my request for FogerRox Mar 2013 #81
I'm not on facebook or twitter but if you want me to do something here i'll be happy to. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #111
Sanders, Reid, DeFazio Introduce Legislation to Strengthen Social Security ProSense Mar 2013 #103
it's stupid legislation and it doesn't strengthen anything. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #113
It's only ProSense Mar 2013 #116
Bill Gates doesn't pay social security taxes. david rockefeller doesn't pay social security taxes. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #119
There should ProSense Mar 2013 #120
You didn't address the points of my post. For obvious reasons. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #124
Yes, ProSense Mar 2013 #127
no. you didn't. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #130
Whenever there are top earners to be defended, there is HiPoint! Romulox Mar 2013 #157
Senator Sanders, or "HiPointDem". Who should I trust? Romulox Mar 2013 #155
Sanders bill leaves a donut hole between 113k and 250k FogerRox Mar 2013 #144
Yes, and ProSense Mar 2013 #148
BTW, thanks for sticking to the facts. FogerRox Mar 2013 #168
Here's a better bill: ProSense Mar 2013 #151
Beglichs bill. Now you are talking FogerRox Mar 2013 #153
I want to know what we are prepared to about it when they come out with their "compromise"? Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #110
Good post! nt ladjf Mar 2013 #131
Thank you. FogerRox Mar 2013 #173
JFK said "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country" graham4anything Mar 2013 #133
"20 and 30 year olds have NEVER sacrificed for their country. " DonCoquixote Mar 2013 #201
If you don't like Iraq, blame Ralph Nader and Ron and Rand Paul.They got the Bush's elected graham4anything Mar 2013 #202
I have no probem with napolitano DonCoquixote Mar 2013 #203
You avoided 99% of my post but I will edit to rephrase that one line. graham4anything Mar 2013 #204
ha DonCoquixote Mar 2013 #205
Well, it sounds like you and I agree on 99% of most things graham4anything Mar 2013 #206
reply DonCoquixote Mar 2013 #208
Posting to Facebook kathysart_decoration Mar 2013 #137
2 ways, you can click the facebook logo that says like, found at the bottom of the OP FogerRox Mar 2013 #143
Strengthening it would be a type of reform madville Mar 2013 #149
Rasie the cap? Hom much- just enough for a COLA, Ok sure. Increasing benefits FogerRox Mar 2013 #152
Eliminate the cap completely. There is no logical or moral justification for it. Romulox Mar 2013 #156
:~) well okay, Social Security isnt about progressive taxation, its wage insurance. FogerRox Mar 2013 #161
Nonsense. If Social Security is "welfare", then the entire government is "welfare". Romulox Mar 2013 #165
Onnce more. IF we remove the cap, and then cap benefits, we are means testing SS, yes or no? FogerRox Mar 2013 #167
Of course. It's your framing of "welfare" I reject, not the mathematics of the thing. Romulox Mar 2013 #172
And adopting the Chained CPI would be a type of BENEFIT CUT Doctor_J Mar 2013 #159
Note to DU's "centrists": PROGRESSIVE TAXATION IS NOT WELFARE. Romulox Mar 2013 #154
I appreciate you making shit up, its indicative of your character. Pleasant dreams. FogerRox Mar 2013 #169
LOL. Your arguments bottom out quickly, then it's out with the claws! Romulox Mar 2013 #171
For some, being a Dem means agreeing with everything Obama says Doctor_J Mar 2013 #158
So your prediction is that Obama will make a deal that cuts SS prior to JoePhilly Mar 2013 #170
The Dems know that whatever they propose it is DOA in the house. alfredo Mar 2013 #164
But Social Security DOES need reform!!! Martin Eden Mar 2013 #174
it's raised every year. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #187
Of course it needs reform guardian Mar 2013 #179
Real COLA increases for seniors. FogerRox Mar 2013 #182
The only Social Security reform we should be demanding rocktivity Mar 2013 #180
Amen! Fire Walk With Me Mar 2013 #192
Just lift the f-cking cap. leveymg Mar 2013 #207
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