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H2O Man

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22. Right.
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 11:38 AM
Mar 2013

James Douglass's 2012 book, "Gandhi and the Unspeakable: His Final Experiment with Truth," provides convincing evidence that the Mahatma's murder was another "shadow government" operation.

It's curious -- fear of the unknown was certainly a significant part of the creation of religion. And that carried through in acts of sacrifice. "God" demanded sacrifice, of course. Wouldn't be happy up there in heaven without ritual sacrifices.

Some cultures encouraged rituals with forms of self-sacrifice, such as fasting, the Sun Dance, etc. Others found it more convenient to sacrifice other living beings, such as goats and humans. By no coincidence, the first type overcomes fear, while the second intensifies it.

Even today, at the lowest levels of understanding, millions of Americans believe that the story of the gospels is that "God" demanded the sacrifice of a man who engaged in and encouraged the rituals of self-sacrifice, to end the need for sacrificing goats etc. Gracious. Talk about missing the point.

Both MLK and RFK were aware of the likely end of the path they were on. In a very real sense, they were willing to sacrifice their own lives, in order to channel that energy that they knew human society needed at that time. Obviously, "God" was not behind their murders; it was those who not only hated them as individuals, but feared what energy -- or, power -- they were creating among the masses.

Their deaths are one level of the "greater love has no man, than to lay down his own life for his friends." But there is another level to that, which is equally important: we can "lay down" the lives of relative comfort that we have, in order to channel that same energy force. We can use the examples of RFK and MLK, even though we know we aren't going to be as influential or powerful or famous as they were.

I suspect that by now, you can tell this is a topic -- or THE topic -- I enjoy talking about. Sorry for my rambling on and on.

Fire and Ice [View all] H2O Man Mar 2013 OP
Another excellent essay. And from experience, I say this. The fear for those or that which we love freshwest Mar 2013 #1
Very good! H2O Man Mar 2013 #18
K&R Solly Mack Mar 2013 #2
Thank you. H2O Man Mar 2013 #19
From Your Words...to the GREAT OZ... KoKo Mar 2013 #3
Thanks! H2O Man Mar 2013 #20
Kick CrazyOrangeCat Mar 2013 #4
Right. H2O Man Mar 2013 #22
I'm glad you elaborated. CrazyOrangeCat Mar 2013 #27
K/R There is not a word I can add to this. Autumn Mar 2013 #5
Thanks! H2O Man Mar 2013 #29
H I think this may be among your top 5 essays -- maybe eve #1 coeur_de_lion Mar 2013 #6
Well, thank you! H2O Man Mar 2013 #30
Far more careful? coeur_de_lion Mar 2013 #36
Well, that's easy: H2O Man Mar 2013 #37
I have no fear coeur_de_lion Mar 2013 #38
"we should not waste time blaming anyone or everyone..." scarletwoman Mar 2013 #39
Thanks! H2O Man Mar 2013 #48
Fear is NOT optional. bvar22 Mar 2013 #7
True, that ..... H2O Man Mar 2013 #31
K & R !!! WillyT Mar 2013 #8
Thanks! H2O Man Mar 2013 #32
Thank you for this post~ me b zola Mar 2013 #9
Yep...fear IS our greatest obstacle. zeemike Mar 2013 #10
This Is A Most Welcome & True Post Me. Mar 2013 #11
Ps. Me. Mar 2013 #12
Really? Phlem Mar 2013 #14
Yes indeed. 2naSalit Mar 2013 #13
I always enjoy finding an H2O Man post on DU panader0 Mar 2013 #15
Thank you, Waterman. loudsue Mar 2013 #16
An excellent truth I've pondered many times... SamReynolds Mar 2013 #17
k & r Bookmrkd snagglepuss Mar 2013 #21
Another great post H20 Man! sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #23
Great post Waterman malaise Mar 2013 #24
Fear cuts through the miasma like smelling salts. Octafish Mar 2013 #25
Remember the mantra from "Dune?" malthaussen Mar 2013 #26
very promising appeal bigtree Mar 2013 #28
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Mar 2013 #33
You have inspired me. LiberalAndProud Mar 2013 #34
Remember that book title libodem Mar 2013 #35
Thank you. K&R myrna minx Mar 2013 #40
Satyagraha, I believe, chervilant Mar 2013 #41
That's really good. Zorra Mar 2013 #42
Purge the gaslighters! Vestigial_Sister Mar 2013 #43
Inhale fear, exhale anger bhikkhu Mar 2013 #44
What Attracted a Peaceful Person Like You to a Bloody Sport Like Boxing? AndyTiedye Mar 2013 #45
Good question. H2O Man Mar 2013 #47
Peace In_The_Wind Mar 2013 #46
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