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SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
24. I heard a story some years ago
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 05:26 PM
Mar 2013

that when Golda Meier was heading up Israel, there was a problem about women being raped. She established a curfew. It applied to men only. When asked why not apply it to women, she said, "It's the men who are doing the raping."

I have no idea if it's true, but it ought to be.

While I get incredibly frustrated that young women will go out and drink and put themselves in a vulnerable position, NOTHING justifies rape.

I am tired of living in a patriarchy, period. love_katz Mar 2013 #1
Broad brush much or what? Mopar151 Mar 2013 #29
You're offended on behalf of the patriarchy? redqueen Mar 2013 #40
Boosterisim, which is what happened here, is more like an absence of partiarchy Mopar151 Mar 2013 #78
?????????? DonCoquixote Mar 2013 #126
Paterno may have played at being a patriarch Mopar151 Mar 2013 #130
Another candidate for dumbest thing ever written here. Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #47
+1 n/t eggplant Mar 2013 #55
Thanks for that. smirkymonkey Mar 2013 #145
Patriarchy is a social construct chervilant Mar 2013 #128
Me too. It's completely out of balance with our better instincts. gtar100 Mar 2013 #114
Thank you for the reply. love_katz Mar 2013 #132
You shouldn't feel terrible. EOTE Mar 2013 #2
Most assuredly you shouldn't feel terrible! calimary Mar 2013 #97
Remember that you have limits, and that today she violated them. You are HUMAN. CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2013 #3
Devils advocate, to a point, nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #4
I can understand how it would be really hard to remain calm and level headed when... love_katz Mar 2013 #5
Hey... I think you've got something there... ReRe Mar 2013 #49
Actually, I believe the reports on Steubenville indicated that Jane Doe vomited. spooky3 Mar 2013 #87
Oh really? I didn't hear that report. ReRe Mar 2013 #90
The motivation for the RAPISTS was to humiliate RVN VET Mar 2013 #111
Huh? Hello? You are answering someone else's question? ReRe Mar 2013 #135
She sure didn't express herself well. Maybe she thinks that people of all genders didn't southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #6
The adults who permitted, condoned, and encouraged the drinking are criminals. lapislzi Mar 2013 #15
Your right. I just don't get where were the parents that owned the homes this was going on? southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #19
"There was enough blame to go around" <-- Yep, that girl should never ever be alone with a guy!! bettyellen Mar 2013 #36
Hey Betty, I think I have a right to my opinion just like you have your right to yours. southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #58
"If she had been sober she could have punch the guy and left had he tried something."<--Rape Culture bettyellen Mar 2013 #59
Well Betty Guess whatever you say is fine. Rape culture. Ok whatever. One thing southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #62
Stop blaming the victim MoclipsHumptulips Mar 2013 #63
Sorry, I stand by my opinion. You stand by yours. I am not blaming her for being raped. southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #65
Disgusting MoclipsHumptulips Mar 2013 #67
You kidding? Grow Up. Last time I checked this forum is a DISCUSSION forum. It doesn't southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #83
You got one thing right Caretha Mar 2013 #79
Yep, you are "sorry" too. KMA southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #81
She got drunk cause that’s what many do at her age. Just because you didn’t drink, don’t start busterbrown Mar 2013 #95
Exactly! lapislzi Mar 2013 #100
Well now you see what happens when a person isn't in control because they were drinking. southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #102
You live in your very own bubble which covers you from reality. busterbrown Mar 2013 #113
I am living in reality sweetie pie. So you think it is ok for teens to go out and drink and act southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #121
No I don’t think its o.k...... I just know it happens and there is not a thing you can... busterbrown Mar 2013 #131
You live in your reality of kids doing things that are illegal and I will live in mine. I am no southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #136
“Kids shouldn’t” God ...in a perfect world maybe..... busterbrown Mar 2013 #137
Well I dunno. I am not saying am perfect. Not at all. But I will tell you this much if southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #139
I hope everything remains well with your family... busterbrown Mar 2013 #142
Yes, I'm kind of tired too. We all had some say and we can leave it at that. Thanks for southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #144
So rape prevention is blaming the victim? davidn3600 Mar 2013 #112
Thank YOU! smirkymonkey Mar 2013 #147
I am not entirely sure that the girl willingly drank. lapislzi Mar 2013 #72
I think they deserve to sit in jail for raping the girl. To me all am trying to say that southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #80
With all due respect, don't be naive. lapislzi Mar 2013 #101
On the contrary I think the parents should be in jail for allowing them to have booze at the house. southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #103
Evidently nothing. southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #124
Let me get this straight, a girl goes to a couple of parties with who she thinks are friends... Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #86
She’s gone....Thank God..... busterbrown Mar 2013 #96
I have no idea about this whole case what really went down. Neither do you. So say all southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #125
I have no idea about this whole case what really went down. mercuryblues Mar 2013 #138
So you think you know everything? I doubt it. No one really knows what happened. southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #140
The mercuryblues Mar 2013 #141
I AM NOT BLAMING THE GIRL FOR BEING RAPED. PERIOD, END OF THE FUCKING STORY. I SO southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #143
Really mercuryblues Mar 2013 #149
Well lets face the facts if NONE OF THEM had been drinking this wouldn't have happened. southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #150
still ignoring mercuryblues Mar 2013 #151
Have a good day mercuryblues. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind. It's southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #152
sure mercuryblues Mar 2013 #153
Let it go mercuryblue. I agree if she was slipped something she didn't know it is a southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #154
now mercuryblues Mar 2013 #155
Sisterhood homegirl Mar 2013 #118
Well I sure see your point and as far as am concerned the girls are just as guilty as the southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #123
I'm sorry you feel terrible... redqueen Mar 2013 #7
There's probably nothing wrong with continuing the conversation on a different level. randome Mar 2013 #8
remember the old phrase azureblue Mar 2013 #70
Apologize for losing it, and take the opportunity to open a dialogue gateley Mar 2013 #9
you really shouldn't feel bad, not every case has to be polite"teachable moments" JI7 Mar 2013 #10
You did just fine. She got defensive, which is not unusual. MineralMan Mar 2013 #11
If you want people to understand you, it is helpful to understand them, because they react as patrice Mar 2013 #12
I do hear you. I think if we start from a place of common ground we might make some headway. lapislzi Mar 2013 #18
Exactly! And one thing that, to me, always breaks what appears to be a dead-heat between two points patrice Mar 2013 #31
we haven't broken those cognitive links here at DU, even on this thread there's plenty of blame for bettyellen Mar 2013 #37
+ 1,000,000,000,000 love_katz Mar 2013 #88
The Problem Begins With The Usual Quip "She asked for it" grilled onions Mar 2013 #13
+ 1,000,000,000,000 love_katz Mar 2013 #89
You were right to call her out . . . markpkessinger Mar 2013 #14
hopefully she is doing some serious thinking too. Whisp Mar 2013 #16
I would like to say one thing in response to her remarks... ljm2002 Mar 2013 #17
^^^^THIS^^^^^ BillyJack Mar 2013 #75
Don't feel bad--she deserved it Arkana Mar 2013 #20
Update: VINDICATION! lapislzi Mar 2013 #21
Yay for vindication! CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2013 #22
Thanks for letting us know. SunSeeker Mar 2013 #25
sometimes it take tough love to sink through the bs noiretextatique Mar 2013 #27
Sometimes you have to snap at people. Blanks Mar 2013 #30
could it be because it's something that happened to you and she knows you JI7 Mar 2013 #33
One mind at a time is good. sheshe2 Mar 2013 #34
Great..such a relief. .. I feel so sorry the girl...just wanted to check was she nenagh Mar 2013 #41
Sounds like a young lady who knows which side her bread is buttered on alcibiades_mystery Mar 2013 #43
Well that's OK. lapislzi Mar 2013 #73
"She is not especially well-liked, is known for being a whiner and not a team player" alcibiades_mystery Mar 2013 #84
Hey, I have done my part with this woman lapislzi Mar 2013 #106
It sounds to me as if you actively dislike this person alcibiades_mystery Mar 2013 #115
As you wish. lapislzi Mar 2013 #133
You must be an absolute saint! Your response was perfect. Cassidy Mar 2013 #120
Are honesty and compassion mutually exclusive? Cassidy Mar 2013 #122
I have to say that I think you're right. delrem Mar 2013 #77
Can you explain further, and I will do my best to clarify. lapislzi Mar 2013 #107
Aw, that's so good to hear. redqueen Mar 2013 #44
A great thread of optimism to start the weekend! Thanks! randome Mar 2013 #45
Friendly advice: Take a page from Confucius, watch your back LittleBlue Mar 2013 #52
Her googling to get a new job would actually be a good thing for her. lapislzi Mar 2013 #74
Excellent... ljm2002 Mar 2013 #93
I posted my reply at the bottom before I read this. Congrats to you and your coworker! McCamy Taylor Mar 2013 #99
Accept the apology, but watch your back. nt. OldDem2012 Mar 2013 #110
My parents had an elderly neighbor that was raped Blue Gardener Mar 2013 #23
I was raped when I was 8 years old Vanje Mar 2013 #129
I heard a story some years ago SheilaT Mar 2013 #24
omg. I love that story true or not. It's the principle of the thought. Little Star Mar 2013 #39
Tired of hearing about rape culture? Guess what. I'm tired of living in it. So very tired. seabeyond Mar 2013 #26
Actually... RudynJack Mar 2013 #28
+1 I thought we had done away with the Scarlet Lettering of people long ago. Live and Learn Mar 2013 #94
I was telling a conservative relative about rape in the military. Rozlee Mar 2013 #32
I served on a jury a couple of summers ago Control-Z Mar 2013 #35
If she looks up to you... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2013 #38
Don't feel bad Smilo Mar 2013 #42
Glad to hear it all worked out in the end. Rex Mar 2013 #46
This is why places like DU are vital. Keep on fighting the good fight. SleeplessinSoCal Mar 2013 #48
OK, I'm a "child of the sixties," which doesn't mean things were wild and promiscuous in most of the maddiemom Mar 2013 #50
Forget about it... ReRe Mar 2013 #51
I simply would have answered rocktivity Mar 2013 #53
There are all kinds of ways you could have talked to her about this. Sadly, you would probably have Iris Mar 2013 #54
Any appology for these criminals defacto7 Mar 2013 #56
You're human, you get to react. Warpy Mar 2013 #57
What the hell is wrong with people? Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #60
It is understandable to see you upset. PM Martin Mar 2013 #61
Internalized misogyny. redqueen Mar 2013 #71
Not enough people are verbally dope-slapped. Good on you for doing it. nt valerief Mar 2013 #64
Hmmm...I'm normally against heated political debates at work, ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #66
She expressed "dismay that rapists would be classified as sex offenders." tclambert Mar 2013 #68
Rape culture shaming is okay. bluedigger Mar 2013 #69
I'm so sorry for Cha Mar 2013 #76
Survivors need to quit the fuck apologizing for denouncing rape-in any form. MichiganVote Mar 2013 #82
People who have never been raped TxDemChem Mar 2013 #85
Don't feel bad I do it all the time. Pakid Mar 2013 #91
I appreciate you feel you might have handled it differently BUT..... Swede Atlanta Mar 2013 #92
You feel terrible, because you were raped. And because society says "Get over it" McCamy Taylor Mar 2013 #98
I would not feel terrible in the least ... sometimes what you did is what it takes, and in RKP5637 Mar 2013 #104
No need to apologize for an honest reaction marions ghost Mar 2013 #105
? grschaef Mar 2013 #108
The victims clothing is as meaningful to the conversation as their eye color RedstDem Mar 2013 #109
They have the same reaction to any civil rights and discrimination - victim's fault always lunasun Mar 2013 #116
When I was much younger I said something like your co-worker did and lunatica Mar 2013 #117
You are so right, and thank you for sharing. lapislzi Mar 2013 #134
This message was self-deleted by its author santamargarita Mar 2013 #119
You have nothing to feel bad about. nicky187 Mar 2013 #127
always be carefull about workplace relationships markiv Mar 2013 #146
K&R, Good for you! smirkymonkey Mar 2013 #148
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