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In reply to the discussion: I do not need... Eurocentric feminists to dictate to me what I wear or shouldn't wear. [View all]JI7
(89,239 posts)139. how ? ifyou look at the pics some women wear no head covering
some are showing their arms.
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I do not need... Eurocentric feminists to dictate to me what I wear or shouldn't wear. [View all]
Luminous Animal
Apr 2013
OP
I think that person couldnt come up with a factual argument, so they made up ad hominem stuff about
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#178
i meant i didn't read either ofyour posts that way. i didn't read yours as being directed to cd's
HiPointDem
Apr 2013
#361
Blatant lie? Like you claiming I said the anti-FEMEN group is telling anyone how to dress?
EOTE
Apr 2013
#317
Exactly EOTE .That person and their supporters dont care if Tunisia goes to Sharia
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#412
FEMEN believes that the hijab=opressions. They march in Muslim neighborhoods
Luminous Animal
Apr 2013
#10
The choice to wear hijab is one thing. Flogged or stoned to death for showing breasts is another
Matariki
Apr 2013
#13
are Muslim Women in France, UK , Spain flogged or stoned to death for showing breasts ?
JI7
Apr 2013
#18
And western feminists marching through their neighborhoods naked is addressing
Luminous Animal
Apr 2013
#19
So their goal is to spread the message that they don't need to be controlled by men?
Squinch
Apr 2013
#55
I am curious about what others think FEMEN's message is, and what their goal is.
Squinch
Apr 2013
#59
freedom for women for what ? there are "pro women" groups in the US and their focus
JI7
Apr 2013
#144
Is freedom of total self determination possible? Does anyone on earth have that?
Squinch
Apr 2013
#352
Am I crazy in thinking this is precisely their goal in this? To evince this kind of response?
Squinch
Apr 2013
#82
well, the article said they are aware they get faux interest and think it;'s still worthwhile.
bettyellen
Apr 2013
#89
they are protesting against Muslims in the West , they are calling on those muslim women
JI7
Apr 2013
#62
so, protesters don't need to educate or empower anyone for change these days? Interesting dodge.
bettyellen
Apr 2013
#91
I do observe, however, that the women in the African protests left absolutely no doubt
Squinch
Apr 2013
#114
Whether this particular group of women are conducting their protest 'correctly'...
randome
Apr 2013
#130
Oh, but then we're right back to the idea that it's about giving women the choice to go topless.
Squinch
Apr 2013
#132
so, it;s more of an art piece then, than a protest, because actvists have actionable goals and no
bettyellen
Apr 2013
#117
But that's exactly the point. The lack of clear message makes us have to conclude: In the end, who
Squinch
Apr 2013
#129
Huh? If someone has a protest and no one knows or cares why- it;s a good thing?
bettyellen
Apr 2013
#146
that's art, not politics. and vapid performance art is exactly what most of femen reminds me of.
HiPointDem
Apr 2013
#188
You mean something like Banksy? Solders Painting Peace, One Nation under CCTV, etc.?
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#410
Well, Femen disagrees with you. They say that their boobs are billboards
Luminous Animal
Apr 2013
#374
No, that is a logic fail. It is both. Boobs are their billboards and part of the message. nt
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#414
under what authority? and where does that say 'fatwa' as opposed to his opinion?
HiPointDem
Apr 2013
#321
Islam has no central authority. As we saw with the fatwa against Salman Rushdie
riderinthestorm
Apr 2013
#333
islam has lots of 'central authorities'. rushdie's fatwa was issued by the religious and civil head
HiPointDem
Apr 2013
#362
Yeah, fine. So Amina should just head out to the local Tunisia Starbucks
riderinthestorm
Apr 2013
#366
Only YESTERDAY the Tunisia Assembly's tie was broken by Ettouir's vote
riderinthestorm
Apr 2013
#382
No, Tunisia is not on the precipice of becoming an Sharia state and nothihng in your link
Luminous Animal
Apr 2013
#384
it's not 'nothing' and i didn't say it was. it's not a 'fatwa' though, if by 'fatwa' you mean an
HiPointDem
Apr 2013
#386
That the Arab Spring revolutions have turned into an Arab Chill via Islamist
riderinthestorm
Apr 2013
#415
And some FEMEN members are Muslims themselves. Don't they have the right to their views?
pnwmom
Apr 2013
#313
I'd contend saying the words of any prophet are above criticism is an assault on common sense.
Kurska
Apr 2013
#211
I'm rather offended that you seem to associate being Christian with being American.
Kurska
Apr 2013
#225
I'm not endorsing any of these positions, but just trying to understand your logic here.
Kurska
Apr 2013
#238
I understand you fine, I however think you are holding two incredibly double standards here.
Kurska
Apr 2013
#338
Well first off, any society that wouldn't freely let someone change their religion is pretty wrong.
Kurska
Apr 2013
#393
Being able to change religions is the result of a breakdown of community and family? Are you real?
Kurska
Apr 2013
#425
I hate calling a way of thinking "anti-American", but I'd say that clearly applies in this case
ButterflyBlood
Apr 2013
#435
You don't need "x ray eyes", the precincts voting yes are pretty obvious.
ButterflyBlood
Apr 2013
#417
Its "halal". Pretty big blunder if you really do see them everywhere nt
riderinthestorm
Apr 2013
#421
I live about three blocks south of a halal market, and I'm in a white mostly hipster neighborhood
ButterflyBlood
Apr 2013
#433
Yes I know, it's a gradual shift of people from Uptown because the rent is cheaper
ButterflyBlood
Apr 2013
#441
The whole city voted against, but what does that prove? St. Paul is not all Catholic
ButterflyBlood
Apr 2013
#446
yeah, if only they have read the Quoan, they would have known that accoring to Hadith
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#246
Yeah, see, I don't think Femen's feminist detractors really stop to listen to themselves.
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#273
You (generic) have a right to beleive, but there is no right to demand respect for your belief.
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#411
You mean I should respect it and stuff? :) Of course I have greatest respect for anyone
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#424
You were told this blogger is transphobic bigot but you just repost the link anyway?
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#249
Do you think the Koran is friendly to women? You never responded to this video..
snooper2
Apr 2013
#99
I think Femen would be just as happy with a world where religions dont contribute to the harming
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#116
Then your interpretation is that FEMEN wants world religions to eradicate their bias toward women?
Squinch
Apr 2013
#118
Either that or they want them to go away altogether, yes. That would be one of Femen's goals. nt
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#120
As a result of my frequent appearance on RT, I have a lot of media friends
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#272
In what sense is ukraine a region with a 'tradition of strident anti-clericism'?
HiPointDem
Apr 2013
#399
more or less banning religious display from above isn't grassroots anti-clericism. it's an
HiPointDem
Apr 2013
#404
Good for them - respect for Islam (as opposed to for Muslims) is a bad thing.
Donald Ian Rankin
Apr 2013
#239
Do you too, then, think that FEMEN is protesting for the right to choose to go topless?
Squinch
Apr 2013
#43
Then you are thinking that FEMEN is trying to break down the outmoded cultural foundation
Squinch
Apr 2013
#67
Oh, bullshit. Don't you dare try to conflate me with neocons and military actions,
Zorra
Apr 2013
#250
a better comparison would be to say they represent all American women or all those who have
JI7
Apr 2013
#252
there were actually a few supporters here- when they raided the compound in TX
bettyellen
Apr 2013
#280
"I was hit with a belt and I turned out OK" -- Sean Hannity, defending Rutgers BB coach Mike Rice.
Manifestor_of_Light
Apr 2013
#289
that's because they go to Muslim areas in Brit and other western places and call on
JI7
Apr 2013
#16
You mean inviting others to join them equals to forcing them to go naked? Also, can you provide some
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#224
And their message is "We love the forced female dress-code of male interpreters of our religion...
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#143
Most of them are wearing headscarves. I never said they were required to wear burkas. nt
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#152
but so what ? do you think a woman who wears a headscarf is being oppressed and does so because
JI7
Apr 2013
#158
I know. I've read about them. I still regard it as Zorra suggested. Something akin to Stockholm
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#166
And that is the ignorance. What makes you think they accept the loss of freedom?
Luminous Animal
Apr 2013
#173
Because I spent 10 hours reading and communicating with many Muslim women today...
Luminous Animal
Apr 2013
#181
I've spent a lot more than 10 hours. I've actually spent long visits to Muslim countries.
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#184
And yet you seem to know nothing about Muslim feminists or the strategies and
Luminous Animal
Apr 2013
#195
Oh I've read all about them. They remind me of GOProud and Log Cabin Republicans.
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#198
Apparently, Muslim women are too brainwashed to articulate their own needs
Luminous Animal
Apr 2013
#26
what has that got to do with Muslims in the West, as the OP shows many of them are not covered up
JI7
Apr 2013
#47
Well, for the record, the debate in Tunisia is whether to go to Sharia law. That's what got Amina
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#200
France actually Does Ban full covering , so there is some dictating in that way which i have no
JI7
Apr 2013
#37
for many people religion is more like culture, they don't believe everything literally
JI7
Apr 2013
#159
Xmas trees are the best thing ever! I could not throw that baby out with the bath water either.
bettyellen
Apr 2013
#170
the Femen Protests kind of Remind me of the Anti Mosque Protests in the United States
JI7
Apr 2013
#65
They readily admit that they go topless to get the attention of the media.
Luminous Animal
Apr 2013
#136
Its simple isnt it? Yet we have folks in this thread arguing the message is confused. It isnt.
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#177
Do you think the people supporting FEMEN did not understand before the protests that women in
Squinch
Apr 2013
#354
no, because people are fucking stupid and thought Saddam had something to do with islamic
JI7
Apr 2013
#231
Americans supported Iraq war because they wanted to look at boobies and Iraq didnt allow nekkidnees?
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#233
no, because people were fucking stupid and thought Saddam had something to do with Islamic
JI7
Apr 2013
#234
It was a joke, relax. Though still not sure why you are so bothered by FEMEN and their boobies.
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#237
I find what Islam does to women and gays in the middle east far more offensive than anything
Kurska
Apr 2013
#206
Righteous indignation at the bare human body makes for strange bedfellows doesn't it? n/t
Kurska
Apr 2013
#227
and yet, the brave women of femen have yet to take on the saudis. they prefer less dangerous
HiPointDem
Apr 2013
#245
but wait, i thought they were at risk of being arrested. imprisoned & stoned? so i'm constantly
HiPointDem
Apr 2013
#295
FEMEN will have a slam dunk in this exchange when the next honor killing in Europe happens.
JVS
Apr 2013
#244
It's even more than that. This all started because Tunisia is considering going back to Sharia...
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#275
Sure, and there are women who stand outside abortion clinics with signs that read....
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
Apr 2013
#266
Way to miss the point. These women don't want to be nannied by neocolonial feminists.
Luminous Animal
Apr 2013
#301
They are working in their own communities in their own cultural context.
Luminous Animal
Apr 2013
#316
And they are failing. Sharia is a serious possibility for Tunisia. They can claim to be feminists
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#318
I never said that. I said that there are already Muslim femnists active in their communities...
Luminous Animal
Apr 2013
#327
Amina is a Muslim woman working in her own cultural context in her own country
riderinthestorm
Apr 2013
#340
Um no. They are using yesterdays action as a springboard for their own.
Luminous Animal
Apr 2013
#371
NO! Most of the pics on that site are protesting FEMEN. Amina IS FEMEN.
riderinthestorm
Apr 2013
#377
They don't want to talk about Amina or the deadly serious reason she did what she did.
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#349
Really. You do realize that the reason why they decided to go full frontal was to get the attention
Luminous Animal
Apr 2013
#323
+1. I almost didn't post on this thread at all. Same people, same scolding nt
riderinthestorm
Apr 2013
#342
How extraordinarily patronizing and without realizing it, you are emphasizing these women's point.
Luminous Animal
Apr 2013
#307
Damn, they are not buying "menz & titties"... YAY! FEMEN makes wemmenz unsafe with tiities!!!
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#409
It's always good to see women do good activism, whether I believe in the message or not.
Nika
Apr 2013
#312
Really, no one is dictating what women should wear? Because that is EXACTLY what many Islamists do.
Quantess
Apr 2013
#350
In my day they did. They wouldn't let you into church if you weren't wearing a hat
Cleita
Apr 2013
#357
I think a lot of Western feminists don't even realize how condescending they are at times.
TimberValley
Apr 2013
#360
And predictably there is crickets to your response. They are intent on ignoring Amina.
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#413