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Proud Liberal Dem

(24,406 posts)
80. I suppose you have a point
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 02:58 PM
Apr 2013

and I guess if you thought that putting something up for a vote knowing that it will fail would produce sufficient backlash for its later success it would be a good idea (like say, the gun bill that was procedurally defeated yesterday). However, filibuster reform is not something that most people are all that "plugged into" and why waste the time on a vote that is going nowhere (not saying I necessarily agree with the mindset but just saying what might have been going through their heads)? I do agree with you in principle that we should be putting more things up for votes and letting the chips fall where they may but I suspect that members of Congress aren't much interested in voting on things that they know aren't going to pass. I'm sure that, aside from embarrassing the President and Democrats, one of the chief reasons that the Republicans are busy filibustering stuff is that they know that they're going to be on the wrong side of public opinion on many up-or-down votes, so they make sure that they don't happen in the first place. I'm sure that they also take considerable pleasure in watching us chew out President Obama and the Democrats in the Senate instead of attacking them and their rampant obstructionism. I'm sure that they also don't want the House to feel any heat from the Senate to have to take action on anything the Senate passes since Boehner has adopted a "Let's wait and see what the Senate does" attitude towards taking up highly charged issues.

Harry Reed likes being the Senate Majority leader.. pipoman Apr 2013 #1
Times have changed. That was nearly two decades ago. morningfog Apr 2013 #3
The Democrats who refused to vote for this apparently disagree.. pipoman Apr 2013 #13
We need new "Democrats". morningfog Apr 2013 #18
Likely we would have republicans pipoman Apr 2013 #21
the NRA likes to say it. THIS will make the house BLUE in 2014. The reverse shall happen graham4anything Apr 2013 #8
I'm sure it makes you feel better to say these things.. pipoman Apr 2013 #12
They should designate the NRA a terror org- graham4anything Apr 2013 #14
delusion pipoman Apr 2013 #20
reinterpret the 2nd. All it takes is ONE new scotus to change. graham4anything Apr 2013 #24
More of the same.. pipoman Apr 2013 #28
The second amendment is not going to be reinterpreted to require gun regulation onenote Apr 2013 #51
Which comes first? The apple or the orange? With a new court, the NRA will then be gone graham4anything Apr 2013 #66
I gotta give you this, you're good for a hearty premium Apr 2013 #67
"Which comes first? The apple or the orange?" NCTraveler Apr 2013 #71
I'll ignore your fruit confusion and simply point out onenote Apr 2013 #75
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Not if one only elects democratic presidents. Hillary45.Michelle46. Chelsea47.Schlossberg48. graham4anything Apr 2013 #33
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I love President Obama agenda and want it forever. SCOTUS can reinterpret, no more discussion graham4anything Apr 2013 #36
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Harry Reid is a genius-had the 50 been in effect, the amendment would have passed. graham4anything Apr 2013 #38
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I flat guarantee that you won't get a straight answer out of this one, premium Apr 2013 #63
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I'll meet you halfway and agree that you personally galileoreloaded Apr 2013 #42
Or Acorn libodem Apr 2013 #74
I don't expect you to understand why that is such a terrible idea. cali Apr 2013 #46
It will happen anyhow, regardless of me. We can't all have shoulder to air missles graham4anything Apr 2013 #47
Again a reinterpretation of the Second Amendment does not equal a ban on guns onenote Apr 2013 #52
no you can't have shoulder to air missiles under the 2nd amendment. cali Apr 2013 #68
So, the 1st A goes on the same bonfire as the 2nd. Interesting. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #64
My 1st amendment is broken by the NRA. I can't freely assemble peacefully in a movie theatre now graham4anything Apr 2013 #69
The 1st A says everybody gets to talk Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #72
And yet, someone who has studied constitutional law, premium Apr 2013 #73
No one can control other people treestar Apr 2013 #2
No, this is the senate where the NRA has them by the balls. morningfog Apr 2013 #4
Due to the fact that rural red states are pro-gun. treestar Apr 2013 #5
Constituents don't even enter into the equation. morningfog Apr 2013 #17
They voted for these Senators treestar Apr 2013 #27
Unrec Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2013 #6
Whats the difference between a bad Senator who obstructs demwing Apr 2013 #9
This was not a matter of obstruction... cynatnite Apr 2013 #19
I was responding to Proud Liberal Dem's post demwing Apr 2013 #22
Yeah, I've been thinking about the fumbled filibuster reform,too deutsey Apr 2013 #26
Better to need 60. The amendment of repicricity would have overturned NY/Calif/Ill laws. graham4anything Apr 2013 #40
Yeah, the ongoing stalemate is wonderful n/t deutsey Apr 2013 #41
That is why a protest vote like in 2000 was so awful. Society needs to be 80-20 graham4anything Apr 2013 #44
Seems like you've got it all figured out deutsey Apr 2013 #49
Depends on if he had the votes to prevent it Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2013 #31
Tell me - what is the penalty for bringing a bill up for a vote demwing Apr 2013 #50
I suppose you have a point Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2013 #80
Remember something-the house would NOT have voted for it. Harry is a master tactician. graham4anything Apr 2013 #7
Only 4% of Americans list gun control as a top issue davidn3600 Apr 2013 #11
that is Rush Limbaugh soundbyte on a poll by a company that said Mitt would win graham4anything Apr 2013 #15
The gun owners will ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #55
Your right. Somebody else would have brainwashed the other Senators Recursion Apr 2013 #10
Remember when some of us were okay with him losing his last election, so... Dawgs Apr 2013 #16
I say that the Democrats in the Senate still want him as leader. onenote Apr 2013 #57
Face it: The Democrats don't want to DO anything about it duffyduff Apr 2013 #59
Sorry, but that list of "reasons" isn't going to work with me anymore. Dawgs Apr 2013 #70
Well its terrific that you are so much more adept at politics than those serving in office. onenote Apr 2013 #77
I would say there's not somebody in the wings with magical powers Recursion Apr 2013 #78
The American voters allowed this to happen justiceischeap Apr 2013 #23
He was chosen by the Senate Democratic Caucus and serves at their pleasure Freddie Stubbs Apr 2013 #25
Was that an endorsement or a criticism? demwing Apr 2013 #29
Neither. A statement of fact. Freddie Stubbs Apr 2013 #30
So you say, but facts are not always truths demwing Apr 2013 #87
remember harry had help - he didnt have the votes to pass it leftyohiolib Apr 2013 #35
But he did...it PASSED under the terms of the previous administration. Atman Apr 2013 #43
You certainly didn't want the poison pen amendment to pass did you?It got 57 graham4anything Apr 2013 #45
If you can demonstrate to me that ANY Senator gave a shit about the "poison pen," I might buy it... Atman Apr 2013 #48
They would have passed the Cronyn amendment with 50. Did you read it? I GAS about it. graham4anything Apr 2013 #54
The sad fact that you agree Senators didn't even know what was in the bill speaks volumes. Atman Apr 2013 #56
Again 80-20 is needed. And President Obama is working toward something like that. graham4anything Apr 2013 #58
You know full well that if/when the GOP re-gains control, the filibuster will be gone. Atman Apr 2013 #60
Don't elect Jeb Bush graham4anything Apr 2013 #61
I honestly can't tell which side you're on. Atman Apr 2013 #81
My name comes from 2000 and 2004 and refers to Bob Graham(gov/sen) Florida graham4anything Apr 2013 #84
I think fifty or sixty senators allowed this to happen... Orsino Apr 2013 #53
When the MAJORITY wins, yet loses... Atman Apr 2013 #76
The majority that wouldn't vote for even modest filibuster reforms? Orsino Apr 2013 #79
I guess we'll have to wait until the Repubs win the Senate? kentuck Apr 2013 #62
Bingo. Atman Apr 2013 #82
I'm curious why no one wants to talk about the House onenote Apr 2013 #83
Politics is about vision. Atman Apr 2013 #85
Politics is about accomplishing things onenote Apr 2013 #86
You're both right - politics is about dreaming big demwing Apr 2013 #88
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