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Trajan

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24. Keep in mind .... Innocent until proven guilty is how a judge and jury MUST view a suspect

Sat Apr 20, 2013, 12:20 AM

Apr 2013

People, however, have a different threshold ...

You are free to choose the 'innocent until proven guilty' stance, if you wish ...

A person may, however, decide upon guilt, depending on the quantity and quality of the facts known to be true.

I feel very strongly that OJ Simpson is guilty of murder .. Yet he was found not guilty by a court of law ...

Must I change my view to adhere to the court's decision ? ... or shall I have my own opinion ?

What of the numerous whites who, after the Civil War, were charged with crimes against blacks, but were acquitted, thanks to whatever biases were present in the jury or at the bench ... are they all innocent ? .... Every single one ?

If even ONE white was wrongly acquitted of criminal acts against blacks, then I reserve the right to judge for myself, outside of the purview of a judge or jury, as to whether a person is guilty or not ...

My choice ...

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Poll: After a fair trial - Dzhokhar Tsarnaev should be... [View all] Tx4obama Apr 2013 OP

Seems you're projecting an outcome from this fair trial. flvegan Apr 2013 #1

IF I were projecting an outcome I would have placed the options in the poll in a different order. Tx4obama Apr 2013 #3

He is innocent until proven guilty... Agnosticsherbet Apr 2013 #2

Keep in mind .... Innocent until proven guilty is how a judge and jury MUST view a suspect Trajan Apr 2013 #24

45 year old version of the guy is much different alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 #4

I'm not going to hate, but your certainty annoys me. Bicoastal Apr 2013 #20

'for all but the most heinous cases' I know many poeple who'd raise their hand to vote markiv Apr 2013 #21

No hate from me ornotna Apr 2013 #22

i would include this as one of those considered "most heinous" JI7 Apr 2013 #26

Very heinous alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 #30

i think killing a child makes it irredeemable JI7 Apr 2013 #35

I agree with you. nt Live and Learn Apr 2013 #37

What's good for McVeigh is good for him. MrSlayer Apr 2013 #5

LOL, brilliant logic! n-t Logical Apr 2013 #8

Oh my alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 #9

McVeigh was better at it. MrSlayer Apr 2013 #13

Fair enough alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 #15

How sad, death penalty supporters on ths site! n-t Logical Apr 2013 #6

Life without parole, and given to psychological researchers as a guinea pig. backscatter712 Apr 2013 #7

I saw a documentary a few years back that said that no one ever 'studied' Jeffrey Dahmer Tx4obama Apr 2013 #27

+1. Edit: Its even more important here than with Jeffery Dalmer. napoleon_in_rags Apr 2013 #40

That is the only thing that makes any sense. nt hifiguy Apr 2013 #33

This will be a Federal trial. The sentence isn't really flexible. nt DevonRex Apr 2013 #10

Other: You know what's even better than justice for a murdered 8 year old? napoleon_in_rags Apr 2013 #11

I like the way you think n/t Fumesucker Apr 2013 #23

See Comment #27. Tx4obama Apr 2013 #29

Assuming he is found guilty, Blue_In_AK Apr 2013 #12

So your post implies skipping the trial? longship Apr 2013 #14

Huh? It says "After a fair trial..." in the subject line :) n/t Tx4obama Apr 2013 #32

Your poll belies your subject line. longship Apr 2013 #36

I object. And since there's no judge here to rule on the objection that's that ;) n/t Tx4obama Apr 2013 #39

Well played, sir. longship Apr 2013 #41

Assuming guilt, imprisonment until rehabilitation or death. Whichever occurs first. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #16

An example of rehabilitation 'gone wrong' on the link below Tx4obama Apr 2013 #42

You can't use that single case as evidence against the possibilities of rehabilitation. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #43

He should receive sarisataka Apr 2013 #17

wow. just.... wow. frylock Apr 2013 #18

I would like to see a trial first B2G Apr 2013 #19

The trial is not an afterthought. rug Apr 2013 #25

Even without a trial, he shot at police officers last night, 5 minutes before his capture. Travis_0004 Apr 2013 #47

Gitmo pettypace Apr 2013 #28

Sarcasm? Please tell me this is sarcasm. white_wolf Apr 2013 #54

declared guilty or innocent spanone Apr 2013 #31

A fair trial would include looking at the evidence Spider Jerusalem Apr 2013 #34

If found guilty... Chan790 Apr 2013 #38

What a bizarre question. defacto7 Apr 2013 #44

I think sending a 19 year-old boy who until recently was described by practically everyone as a Douglas Carpenter Apr 2013 #45

I'm surprised this one... StarryNite Apr 2013 #46

Bleeding hearts are like nails on a chalkboard sometimes. nt MOTRDemocrat Apr 2013 #48

Who will write the song for Dzhokhar Tsarnaev ... DreamGypsy Apr 2013 #49

He'll end up at ADX Florence duffyduff Apr 2013 #50

Tough call jessie04 Apr 2013 #51

..any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2013 #52

But then there are some people who start out small, kenny blankenship Apr 2013 #55

A jury should decide guilt or innocence and morningfog Apr 2013 #53

Tentatively found guilty and given life imprisonment treestar Apr 2013 #56

I'm surprised how many people on DU are in favor of the death penalty. TimberValley Apr 2013 #57

Mass. doesnt have the death penalty. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2013 #58

But it will be federal court, and Mass laws will not apply. El Fuego Apr 2013 #59

Will it? Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2013 #62

I think that if the crime is terrorism it has to be federal El Fuego Apr 2013 #63

But, will Mass file it's own charges? Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2013 #64

That's a good question El Fuego Apr 2013 #66

Federal public defenders have agreed to represent the suspect in the Boston Marathon bombings Tx4obama Apr 2013 #67

I think he's obviously guilty Quantess Apr 2013 #60

i hate the idea of a teen getting life but i see no alternative Liberal_in_LA Apr 2013 #61

death would be too easy marlakay Apr 2013 #65

More than likely he will end up at the Florence Supermax with the other terrorists. Tx4obama Apr 2013 #68