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Why Hasn't The American Left Convinced More Americans To Vote For More Progressive Candidates? [View all] Yavin4 May 2013 OP

Well, between the "lone nuts" and the private plane "accidents," it seems progressives aren't villager May 2013 #1

dingdingdingdingding! n/t mattclearing May 2013 #69

THIS. HughBeaumont May 2013 #100

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl May 2013 #236

I think the assassinations of the '60s broke the left's back deutsey May 2013 #104

So, um, this "COINTELPRO" thing... Kurovski Mar 2014 #268

Because progressives have been too busy attacking insufficiently-progressive fellow-travelers Recursion May 2013 #2

Pretty much. joshcryer May 2013 #25

Nailed it in post #2 Number23 May 2013 #55

Sure seems that way. DCBob May 2013 #64

Absolutely!!!!!!!!! LeftInTX May 2013 #79

Bingo! BlueCaliDem May 2013 #66

This (nt) LostOne4Ever May 2013 #67

There it is. Bobbie Jo May 2013 #71

Actually it's because so many "Dems" have embraced Doctor_J May 2013 #75

It is the very type of disingenuous bullshit that you just posted that pushes so called progressives bluestate10 May 2013 #164

If we abuse traditional Democrats, liberals and progressives enough... AgingAmerican May 2013 #233

Bingo. MotherPetrie May 2013 #251

Exactly.... Historic NY May 2013 #78

That doesnt even make any sense. What have the centrists done but compromise with Republicans? nm rhett o rick May 2013 #84

No, it doesn't make sense. Marr May 2013 #85

What doesn't make sense about what he said? Number23 May 2013 #89

Hurt my feelings? Your giving yourselves way too much credit. Disparaging the left is a game to you. rhett o rick May 2013 #94

I wasn't even talking you. My response was to Mar Number23 May 2013 #98

" your lofty and mostly laughable ideals". Explain which ideals you think are "lofty and laughable." rhett o rick May 2013 #99

Um, looks like you need Bobbie Jo May 2013 #120

Your post is very clearly stated. rhett o rick May 2013 #134

You seem confused Bobbie Jo May 2013 #143

LoL. Whatever. rhett o rick May 2013 #147

Seriously? Bobbie Jo May 2013 #148

When you run out of decent discussion, just start ridiculing. nm rhett o rick May 2013 #149

When you can't admit Bobbie Jo May 2013 #150

Not just wrong. Clueless and wrong. And he knows it. Number23 May 2013 #154

He asked you to elaborate. AgingAmerican May 2013 #203

That poster is doing bad enough without having you as his spokesman Number23 May 2013 #207

No elaboration forthcoming AgingAmerican May 2013 #222

Post removed Post removed May 2013 #225

I don't think it's possible for you to have misread/misunderstood more than you have Number23 May 2013 #156

You will get no answer to this. woo me with science May 2013 #123

I have done this dance dozens of times* and yet to get one response to the question, rhett o rick May 2013 #135

You and the poster you're responding to are symptomatic of exactly the kind of crap Number23 May 2013 #157

It's the same fifteen sycophants every time. Marr May 2013 #234

As you know Bobbie Jo May 2013 #244

Yes, it's a big conspiracy against you and all your friends. Marr May 2013 #245

lol Bobbie Jo May 2013 #246

Now *this* is what we call projection. Marr May 2013 #248

Sorry Bobbie Jo May 2013 #249

Alright then-- I hope your alternate universe is having nice weather today. Marr May 2013 #250

How brave of you. You didn't address her until 10 minutes after she was locked out... Tarheel_Dem May 2013 #253

Oh, god-- you, too now? Marr May 2013 #254

The "trees" are full of you guys. Ask one of them. Tarheel_Dem May 2013 #255

LMAO Bobbie Jo May 2013 #258

I've noticed you BOG-sorts behave like a highschool clique. Marr May 2013 #259

Not that accuracy seems to matter Bobbie Jo May 2013 #260

... Marr May 2013 #261

... Bobbie Jo May 2013 #262

HOW CAN LIBERALS REACH AMERICANS?? Number23 May 2013 #153

Sorry im new here LostOne4Ever May 2013 #175

Right? Bobbie Jo May 2013 #177

Cept no citations AgingAmerican May 2013 #181

The truth will set you free. Or maybe not... Number23 May 2013 #183

And to those who backed & pushed FDR I say thank you. raouldukelives May 2013 #178

"Backing" is the operative word here in your "backing and pushing" phrase Number23 May 2013 #184

Absolute made up nonsense. AgingAmerican May 2013 #180

Why the hell would I make something up that is easily verified by a five second search Number23 May 2013 #182

Revisionist puff pieces AgingAmerican May 2013 #185

Denial is a deep, DEEP thing to come out of... Number23 May 2013 #186

You have offered nothing to back your claims AgingAmerican May 2013 #196

Father Coughin was a LIBERAL Number23 May 2013 #206

Father Coughlin was pro Hitler AgingAmerican May 2013 #221

Oh God. You have lost it. You don't think that there liberals that are anti-Semitic? Number23 May 2013 #223

Naziism/Fascism are the extremes of the right AgingAmerican May 2013 #240

You ask for links LostOne4Ever May 2013 #187

Inigo Montoya! Number23 May 2013 #189

Honestly LostOne4Ever May 2013 #190

You pounce on a figure of speech, but offer no evidence AgingAmerican May 2013 #197

More Confirmation Bias LostOne4Ever May 2013 #219

Nice list of 'liberals' you have there lol AgingAmerican May 2013 #224

Hey, when someone says that a journalist can't be a liberal Number23 May 2013 #226

Agreed LostOne4Ever May 2013 #227

I think that's what they call, in the real world, a hella smackdown!!!! Tarheel_Dem May 2013 #231

I'm really surprised at how many people don't know this part of FDR history. I thought it was Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #264

+1,000 freshwest Mar 2014 #267

There are probably lots of reasons. JDPriestly May 2013 #235

Well, at least one "left-wing" candidate that I know of, Art_from_Ark May 2013 #166

That sucks. Do you think that the "left wing" candidate would have won? Number23 May 2013 #168

The "left-wing" candidate, Bill Halter, forced a run-off in the primary Art_from_Ark May 2013 #170

Sorry I'm just seeing this! Number23 May 2013 #208

Note I put "left-wing" in quotes Art_from_Ark May 2013 #239

Bill Clinton supported Blanche Lincoln, too, and campaigned vigorously for her. Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #265

Exhibit "B" Bobbie Jo May 2013 #93

Exhibit "A" Bobbie Jo May 2013 #92

And since "centrism" is really just another name for a current version of Republincanism villager May 2013 #117

When the Repub Party started to go off the rails, many started to slither under our tent. rhett o rick May 2013 #136

Centrists and moderate-liberals have been responsible for 100% of the progress that has taken bluestate10 May 2013 #165

Ok, so tell me what issues the left espouses that you dont agree with. rhett o rick May 2013 #172

You know, the "lofty and laughable ideals". Marr May 2013 #201

That's a non-sequitur: cprise May 2013 #91

Brilliant!! The Left enjoyed a lot of victories in the 1960's, but when Johnson declared that Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #109

Government was 'taken away' from whites by the civil rights movement cprise May 2013 #241

Good post Fumesucker May 2013 #243

That's the answer. nt sibelian May 2013 #96

dingdingdingdingding! n/t SidDithers May 2013 #102

Exactly. HappyMe May 2013 #108

because the rightist apparatchiks control the apparatus; same reason that for the last 50 years HiPointDem May 2013 #125

It is always easier to blame "them", or use terms that every day people understand, but bluestate10 May 2013 #167

who should i blame but the guilty? and ps: *i'm* an everyday person too. HiPointDem May 2013 #179

Heh! Scurrilous May 2013 #131

Hey! It's not their fault people don't appreciate being "corrected" Warren DeMontague May 2013 #133

Yep. Losing sight of the REAL problem. CakeGrrl May 2013 #242

Rhetoric. jazzimov May 2013 #3

I agree very much with this... nenagh May 2013 #106

I sometimes wonder if we're too late. The media is now controlled by corporations. Even the local Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #111

If they had the same access to money... burnodo May 2013 #4

And the media. truebluegreen May 2013 #14

There's a reason they don't. The people who shell out the most $$ for elections winter is coming May 2013 #77

In the long path of human beings, money over the longterm has never beaten conviction and bluestate10 May 2013 #169

Who claimed that money surely wins? burnodo May 2013 #176

Like who? geckosfeet May 2013 #5

We have the DEM Party fighting against us, too. It's not just the GOP, y'know. blkmusclmachine May 2013 #6

So, The Dem party is stopping you from talking to your fellow Americans Yavin4 May 2013 #10

Reason and logic have no place in this country anymore. Brigid May 2013 #21

Yes, our access to national platforms is exactly the same as any pro-corporate politicians is! villager May 2013 #30

No, the Democratic Party is stopping him from having progressive candidates for whom to vote. Egalitarian Thug May 2013 #247

We have in CA. Starry Messenger May 2013 #7

That's One State. There are Others Yavin4 May 2013 #8

One of the largest-just saying, it's not some pipe dream. Starry Messenger May 2013 #11

Congrats on that, but it's still not enough Yavin4 May 2013 #13

Why ask then? Starry Messenger May 2013 #17

The OP is from Canada Rex May 2013 #28

I thought he lived in New York for some reason. Starry Messenger May 2013 #40

He does, that was evidently another person with the same name on DU2. Rex May 2013 #44

I think that it is the suggestion that they are lazy treestar May 2013 #50

Well, we've asked the OP what he is doing. So far, crickets. Starry Messenger May 2013 #52

None of us can prove anything here other than that we post on DU treestar May 2013 #57

Well, then this seems more like a meta OP. Starry Messenger May 2013 #60

I "slammed" people? All I did was ask a question. Yavin4 May 2013 #140

If you'd actually been interested in answers to that, we could have discussed it. Starry Messenger May 2013 #144

Those are all your own interpretations Yavin4 May 2013 #145

And that seems enough for many: You aren't a prog if I don't see posts in "______." Eleanors38 May 2013 #110

Did I use the term "lazy" in my OP? n/t Yavin4 May 2013 #139

Oregon provides you with 2 Democratic Senators, 4 out of 5 House members Bluenorthwest May 2013 #29

I'm from NY Yavin4 May 2013 #32

It's because the Democratic Party sold its soul to Wall Street decades ago. alarimer May 2013 #9

Ding Ding Ding! We have a winner. nt truebluegreen May 2013 #15

This is what I would say also...... socialist_n_TN May 2013 #65

Progressives generally don't get party backing and funding in America. leveymg May 2013 #12

Why do you need funding to convince your fellow Americans to vote for progressives? Yavin4 May 2013 #16

That was then, this is now. Rex May 2013 #24

They weren't up for voting for they were busying working to get legislation passed KoKo May 2013 #80

Because the Party doesn't support True Progressives when they have a Blue Dog KoKo May 2013 #82

that depends on the district tabbycat31 May 2013 #19

This is all the more reason to run as a Blue Dog... joshcryer May 2013 #26

that could be a possibility tabbycat31 May 2013 #38

So did your candidates win or lose? Bluenorthwest May 2013 #45

I'm batting 500 tabbycat31 May 2013 #49

Why is that a bad thing? Occulus May 2013 #63

Last week, I told the story of Representative Donna Edwards. For years she ran against a Blue Dog Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #112

So of the 4 Blue Doggy Dogs you have worked for how many have won? Bluenorthwest May 2013 #41

2 tabbycat31 May 2013 #48

they do Enrique May 2013 #18

It boils down to race, and profit matt819 May 2013 #20

AMEN!! RACE has always been the undergird of American politics. We see this today Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #113

this is so simplistic cali May 2013 #22

Because America votes for whoever the PTB decides will run for office. Rex May 2013 #23

So, Based on most of the posts on my thread, it's a lost cause Yavin4 May 2013 #27

No you are skipping over the reason and cherry picking your result. Rex May 2013 #31

I dunno. I'm not from Canada. n/t Yavin4 May 2013 #34

My apologies then, it must have been another Yavin on DU2 Rex May 2013 #37

Then where are you from, because you speak of Americans as if we were separate from precious Bluenorthwest May 2013 #43

You do. treestar May 2013 #47

It costs money to buy air time. Octafish May 2013 #33

So, there's no hope then. Yavin4 May 2013 #36

It is about money, do you understand that? Rex May 2013 #39

If enough Americans were persuaded they could donate the money treestar May 2013 #46

There are a few here trying to define it as 'there is nothing we can do' Rex May 2013 #51

They complain of being hated, but the reason is they are the ones treestar May 2013 #53

The GOP is lucky that the other party likes to hate on itself. Rex May 2013 #56

The reality is that things are getting worse consistently for the last 40 years for the 99%. rhett o rick May 2013 #161

Edit-- responded to the wrong post. Marr May 2013 #86

Honestly, we liberals need to stop bashing center-left or moderately liberal Democrats. Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #114

+1 Jamaal510 May 2013 #217

There's always hope. We can use the Internets and the public spaces of our communities. Octafish May 2013 #42

It's not that there's no hope... Hippo_Tron May 2013 #61

Because they are shut out of the American propaganda machine. LWolf May 2013 #35

There is truth in this ^^^ Eleanors38 May 2013 #116

True - how often do you see a true liberal on the Sunday morning talk shows? NewJeffCT May 2013 #132

on many social issues incredible advancements have been made. But on economic issues things have Douglas Carpenter May 2013 #54

the left havent whored themselves like the center or right Rise Rebel Resist May 2013 #58

Because we don't have a lot of money Hippo_Tron May 2013 #59

Corporations control the major media? limpyhobbler May 2013 #62

+100 did not watch the videos but corporate media plays ... slipslidingaway May 2013 #68

Six corporations control 98% of the media nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #70

Things aren't bad enough yet steve2470 May 2013 #72

We need to be a Liberal Stalwart like your brother and NEVER give up! The wingnuts never give up! Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #115

Your brother is probably right. As long as the hologram of prosperity (cheap consumer goods) Eleanors38 May 2013 #118

Co-opted by the "Not as Bad" party with the issues watered down to useless. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2013 #73

No media access Doctor_J May 2013 #74

because they are conditioned to like flash over substance Skittles May 2013 #76

'Cause the American Left Dyedinthewoolliberal May 2013 #81

"Well done is better than well said" - Ben Franklin MannyGoldstein May 2013 #83

The Progressive Caucus is the largest in Washington. HooptieWagon May 2013 #87

A great question but I think you need to take it one step at a time. hughee99 May 2013 #88

Over 18,000 posts and you don't know? Really? nt Zorra May 2013 #90

Suiciding, accidenting, overdosing, Reserve Army of Lone Gunmen, & Media Fear n' Disruption machine dogknob May 2013 #95

It sounds like you accept the notion that we have a far right party and a center right party. Marr May 2013 #97

Well, for this post anyway. Third Way messaging demands the same sort of mental contortions woo me with science May 2013 #122

Exactly-- shifting excuses. Marr May 2013 #126

That's your interpretation of what I asked Yavin4 May 2013 #142

It naturally follows from your point. /nt Marr May 2013 #202

Everyone with money and power scales centrist to batshit-insane right wing-ding. HughBeaumont May 2013 #101

It is the money, honey. djean111 May 2013 #103

+10000 YoungDemCA May 2013 #257

I agree! We have failed miserably in terms of messaging. And when we lose battles we tend to Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #105

THREAD. WINNER. Thank you for your HONESTY. Number23 May 2013 #162

But you think the goals of liberals are "lofty and laughable". Marr May 2013 #204

Oh, so you DID see my post to you! Number23 May 2013 #209

You act like you think you posted some kind of clever argument. Marr May 2013 #212

And you act as though you've posted something honest or even remotely relevant Number23 May 2013 #215

^^^^ This!!! ^^^^ Tarheel_Dem May 2013 #263

nanny-statism Puzzledtraveller May 2013 #107

AKA corporate welfare AgingAmerican May 2013 #200

Let Me Guess.....CUZ OBAMA!!!!!!! Skraxx May 2013 #119

The whiny center-right AgingAmerican May 2013 #199

What snide, disingenuous Third Way propaganda this is. woo me with science May 2013 #121

Well and truly said. Thank you. (n/t) djean111 May 2013 #124

I have a question for you. Yavin4 May 2013 #127

Could it be a little of this, a little of that? limpyhobbler May 2013 #129

Unfortunately, skilled, smooth talking, charismatic corporate sponsored politicians Zorra May 2013 #130

So, the people are "too gullible" to see through the mass media Yavin4 May 2013 #138

Yes, you have that correct. The system is controlled by wealthy private interests. Zorra May 2013 #174

AWESOME questions. AWESOME Number23 May 2013 #160

*snap* ~ Thread win. You are awesome real, woo. Zorra May 2013 #128

Bravo! Bravo! You have totally and awesomely hit the nail on the head! scarletwoman May 2013 #159

The mainstream party sabotages them, and the corporate press and media deny them publicity Lydia Leftcoast May 2013 #137

Okay. How does the Left counter that then? Yavin4 May 2013 #141

Guerrilla marketing Lydia Leftcoast May 2013 #173

Weak candidates. morningfog May 2013 #146

Gerrymandering dem in texas May 2013 #151

The silly protesters taking down LBJ gave us everything bad and in fact,made the war go on longer graham4anything May 2013 #152

The "American left" is not blameless... kentuck May 2013 #155

Too much emphasis on gun control derby378 May 2013 #158

Because...... Hotler May 2013 #163

Because it takes some intelligence to vote for progressive candidates. Zoeisright May 2013 #171

Yeah! Stupid Voters! That's a good way to appeal to 45% of the electorate! brooklynite May 2013 #192

It's time for truth. Conservatives and conservatism are bad for children. Zorra May 2013 #198

Those people who represent today's political Right are not true conservatives. Jamaal510 May 2013 #218

But who is/was a true conservative? Strom Thurmond? Ronald Reagan? Jesse Helms? Zorra May 2013 #220

It's the old Adlai Stevenson joke Nevernose May 2013 #228

there is no organized american left. there's a bunch of front groups associated with the demo- HiPointDem May 2013 #188

...because Americans aren't, by and large, progressive. brooklynite May 2013 #191

That requires a sustained effort that offers people positive choices using positive language. stevenleser May 2013 #193

IOW, We Have To Be More Likeable. If people don't like you, then they turn off to you. Yavin4 May 2013 #194

Not exactly. The message has to be a positive one, not necessarily the folks saying it. stevenleser May 2013 #195

Very nicely said, Steven. And as has been pointed out, Exhibits A-Z of exactly what Number23 May 2013 #211

Because the AMERICAN RIGHT owns the media. Atman May 2013 #205

We're too busy talking down to red states Prism May 2013 #210

all politicians want to win. All politicians are convinced their constituents are far more librechik May 2013 #213

Two reasons, I think Spike89 May 2013 #214

The responses to this thread have been illuminating. Thanks for posting it Number23 May 2013 #216

Thank you, my love. You ain't too shabby yourself!! Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #266

Most people don't believe anything unless Warpy May 2013 #229

I also agree this was a great thread. LeftInTX May 2013 #230

Because racism trumps everything. nt aaaaaa5a May 2013 #232

The average opinion of those on the right fujiyama May 2013 #237

THE PROGRESSIVE CAUCUS IS THE LARGEST DEM CAUCUS IN CONGRESS! grahamhgreen May 2013 #238

It is the Democratic party that has the most say on who runs. Agnosticsherbet May 2013 #252

A better question would be: Why has the Democratic Party attacked, bullied, mocked, and ridiculed... YoungDemCA May 2013 #256