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Response to socialist_n_TN (Reply #27)

Sat May 18, 2013, 06:50 PM

28. There are varieties of feminism

Marxist feminism is one of those. That's what came out of the initial feminist movement of the 1960s counter culture. No one with any cred could claim to be a feminist without acknowledging the economic structures that enabled sexism.

But just as Reagan redefined many terms, so did some women who came along at the time with attacks on 1st amendment issues under the guise of feminism.

"Radical feminism" is a cover for misandry, and a failure to examine historical precedent. It really provides nothing worthwhile, imo, at least as it's presented here. It aligns with social conservatism and, thus, conservatism in general.

No respectable feminist today denies that Engels wrote THE most substantive history of the subjugation of women - and it still stands, even with some portions that reflect 19th c. understandings of various issues. I don't know that his predictions for changes would play out - in the same way that I don't think the state will fall away, ever, because once one group has power, they work to maintain it with the same sorts of structures - we have those examples among revolutions - and we also have the history of counter revolutions.

From my time in this world, what seems to work best for the most people is a balance of powers, across various structures and relating to various issues.

But I think that Marx and Engels have provided some of the best analyses of various structures. I suppose I'm too cynical to see these falling away - I'm not a utopian.

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