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liberal_at_heart

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50. not me. I judge based on individual circumstances.
Wed May 29, 2013, 10:10 PM
May 2013

Would all of us women of DU vote for Michelle Bauchman if she won the republican nomination and ran for president? Hell no. I'm not even 100% sure I'll vote for Hillary if she runs. There are things I like and don't like about Hillary. I don't know much about the Bradley Manning case but I agree with what others are saying that just because somone is gay does not automatically mean they garner support.

Lots of us do. I do. Smarmie Doofus May 2013 #1
Many in the GLBT community do. geek tragedy May 2013 #2
His incarceration is not an LGBT issue. dballance May 2013 #3
Manning's Gayness has become an issue if you read the articles...He's a caring person KoKo May 2013 #5
"Sexual preference"? That's an odd choice of words for an GLBT supporter REP May 2013 #16
Logically defacto7 May 2013 #84
You are technically correct. However, "sexual preference" is an oft used RW meme dballance May 2013 #144
OK, I respect that... defacto7 May 2013 #146
For years, I've bristled at the use of the word 'preference'. ronnie624 May 2013 #152
I should have said "Sexual Category" in the GLBT spectrum. Sorry about that. KoKo May 2013 #226
Gotta love that "...He's a caring person" dballance May 2013 #30
I was in MI with gays and lesbians before DADT even. Talk about great DevonRex May 2013 #85
are you stereotyping the GLBT community by suggesting they all need to think alike? CreekDog May 2013 #147
I think people who have been through challenges and hardships have a commonality KoKo May 2013 #227
Correct SouthCarolina May 2013 #99
are you saying organizations that fight for gay rights should use their resources JI7 May 2013 #4
WHY NOT? That's what I'm asking. KoKo May 2013 #8
because the case has nothing to do with him being gay JI7 May 2013 #18
While I always believe we can do more than one thing at a time, LGBT organizations really hrmjustin May 2013 #78
Simply because someone is gay does not entitle them to unfettered support, does it? randome May 2013 #6
Disagree...I see posts here all the time on DU where Feminists Groups defend their own KoKo May 2013 #7
I think some think he did the wrong thing, same as on DU. randome May 2013 #12
Is one born a feminist? REP May 2013 #17
no, none of those are defended just for being from the same group JI7 May 2013 #25
And you will also note some vehement disagreements on certain feminist topics. stevenleser May 2013 #37
Defending someone right or wrong... Pelican May 2013 #40
Bingo customerserviceguy May 2013 #96
not me. I judge based on individual circumstances. liberal_at_heart May 2013 #50
Not all gay people agree on every issue. hrmjustin May 2013 #80
The idea that being gay creates an obligation to support other gay people who do bad things is daft. Donald Ian Rankin May 2013 #161
Plenty of supporters in San Francisco and around the world. Many Manning contigents in Pride parades Luminous Animal May 2013 #9
err...what? Marrah_G May 2013 #10
Which part of the GLBT community? n/t backscatter712 May 2013 #11
"Gay Pride" ...they Dumped him... KoKo May 2013 #13
Gee who gave you the right to declare that SF Pride = 'the gay community'? Bluenorthwest May 2013 #27
Excellet post and for the record, in San Francisco, the LGBTQ community has Luminous Animal May 2013 #76
Pride organizers don't represent everyone even in their own community, LadyHawkAZ May 2013 #102
Because he was a soldier who had sworn to protect the security of the US pnwmom May 2013 #14
He was a young kid given a security clearance and saw "things" he couldn't tolerate KoKo May 2013 #20
He apparently released whatever he could get his hands on, pnwmom May 2013 #23
pnwmom, Did you see Post #13..the video and link? KoKo May 2013 #26
The link and video are now up in the OP...have you had a chance to view? KoKo May 2013 #205
He couldn't tolerate Castro's favorite ice cream? jeff47 May 2013 #81
If this were true, why was the Collateral Murder video classified? Smarmie Doofus May 2013 #155
Overclassification is a big problem Recursion May 2013 #156
What IS the solution? n/t Smarmie Doofus May 2013 #160
It's slow, gradual, and frustrating, and it's been going on with setbacks and advances for 2 decades Recursion May 2013 #165
So this is just a systemic glitch. Bureaucratic logjam. The Collateral Murder ( so called) video... Smarmie Doofus May 2013 #173
What about it do you think contradicted the public reports? Recursion May 2013 #179
Interesting. You say " group of armed men." Whatever else is on that video.... Smarmie Doofus May 2013 #194
Both the pilot and Assange's narration mention the clearly visible rifles Recursion May 2013 #216
Exactly that AnalystInParadise May 2013 #193
And yet my handwritten notes of interviews were unclassified... Recursion May 2013 #217
He released thousands upon thousands of classified documents without reading them. How SlimJimmy May 2013 #178
Yes he took his oath seriously and refused to keep secret violations by his superiors of that same sabrina 1 May 2013 #38
Which war crime was that? Pelican May 2013 #42
Just as I thought. You know nothing at all about Manning's case. sabrina 1 May 2013 #48
I was just curious... Pelican May 2013 #54
Do you know why Manning did what he did in the end? sabrina 1 May 2013 #64
I've got a solid theory based on what's been presented to the public so far... Pelican May 2013 #70
My understanding is that he loathed Hillary Clinton: ucrdem May 2013 #91
Is that what you think? Wow! Have you read those internet logs sabrina 1 May 2013 #98
That's what Manning wrote in May 2010. Here's the source: ucrdem May 2013 #105
Not even close. No offense, but seriously, read more about it. n/t Smarmie Doofus May 2013 #164
Ron Paul seems to be an obsession with some posters here on DU and KoKo May 2013 #221
I am a retired Army Intelligence Analyst(retired a few years ago) AnalystInParadise May 2013 #73
Many laws have been written in the history of this country. One of them, or so we are told, forbids sabrina 1 May 2013 #79
Because Manning broke the law AnalystInParadise May 2013 #112
Handing over innocent people who were promised by the US that the horrific invasion they endured sabrina 1 May 2013 #137
"He became a whistle-blower when all else failed." (Thank's Sabrina) KoKo May 2013 #219
A whistle blower for what? AnalystInParadise May 2013 #230
He trusted... CanSocDem May 2013 #243
He Did Indeed...and TRUTH will OUT...even though it takes longer than we would wish it to. KoKo May 2013 #257
And what exactly were the crimes he exposed? AnalystInParadise Jun 2013 #283
I was a 98G/97B (now a 35L). DevonRex May 2013 #139
Retired 96B/35F AnalystInParadise May 2013 #167
The persecution of dissidents in Iraq. He went to his CO to complain and was told to STFU. Luminous Animal May 2013 #87
I remember Collateral Murder... Pelican May 2013 #90
Actually they posted the entire video prior to releasing the edited one. Luminous Animal May 2013 #114
Really... Pelican May 2013 #122
Yes. I believe he did. I could do it. I am an extra-ordinary fast reader and Luminous Animal May 2013 #133
Yet this is not a skill that Manning ever claimed to have had. jeff47 May 2013 #138
He never said he hadn't read them all. Here is the entire quote from the Lamo chat logs: Luminous Animal May 2013 #201
Wrong again, he most certainly did claim and very believably, to have read through most of them. sabrina 1 May 2013 #229
Math is your friend AnalystInParadise May 2013 #235
Huh....I guess AnalystInParadise May 2013 #253
Note your use of the word "believe" Pelican May 2013 #142
Using that logic, it would take you about two and a half years to read all the material he released. SlimJimmy May 2013 #252
A link to this admission would be most helpful: Smarmie Doofus May 2013 #162
He said it on the Colbert Report AnalystInParadise May 2013 #238
Unethical and illegal are not the same thing AnalystInParadise May 2013 #123
Collateral Damage AnalystInParadise May 2013 #92
I assume you mean this video AnalystInParadise May 2013 #97
Anyone who knows anything about the military and our rules of engagement in Iraq AnalystInParadise May 2013 #109
They do so by forgetting that war crimes happen in wars. jeff47 May 2013 #111
Ok I am an open minded person AnalystInParadise May 2013 #118
Curious about your DU Handle... KoKo Jun 2013 #266
Strange Question AnalystInParadise Jun 2013 #267
You should watch the version Wikileaks added comments to jeff47 May 2013 #100
Is this true? US told Reuters that the Collateral Murder video didn't exist? Smarmie Doofus May 2013 #232
LMAO the murder of Reuters photographers AnalystInParadise May 2013 #236
Hmmm.... You're so bitter. Are you in pain? Smarmie Doofus May 2013 #239
I am not bitter at all AnalystInParadise May 2013 #255
* Tuesday Afternoon May 2013 #256
Thanks for demonstrating the dynamic. Smarmie Doofus May 2013 #258
I did not say that. That was not me. I don't alert, either. I did alert back in Jan, 2012 when Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2013 #259
No, I realize that. I'm addressing the verbatim comments of Juror #3.... Smarmie Doofus Jun 2013 #260
yes, but, see that gets into a larger issue than what the jury duty system allows - Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2013 #261
No worries. I'm gonna take it to the Admins. Smarmie Doofus Jun 2013 #262
I think that is an excellent idea. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2013 #263
I am pretty sure the admins AnalystInParadise Jun 2013 #265
Who Pays the Salaries of "the Military Intelligence People" of which you are a Proud Member? KoKo Jun 2013 #268
The company I work for AnalystInParadise Jun 2013 #269
And WHO PAYS the Company YOU WORK FOR? THE TAXPAYERS! KoKo Jun 2013 #272
Umm Yeah AnalystInParadise Jun 2013 #274
Holy hell what are you smoking AnalystInParadise Jun 2013 #264
Well..."Mr. Defense Contractor" Could you learn to post in Paragraph Breaks so your KoKo Jun 2013 #270
No thank you AnalystInParadise Jun 2013 #271
I thought not...perhaps you are not what you assume we will respect your posts for? KoKo Jun 2013 #273
I was unaware AnalystInParadise Jun 2013 #275
You seem to know Less about Bradley Manning than you do about your own BRAVADO KoKo Jun 2013 #276
I did not realize AnalystInParadise Jun 2013 #278
I appreciate you've learned to do "paragraph breaks." KoKo Jun 2013 #279
Ok, so personal attacks continue AnalystInParadise Jun 2013 #281
Bravo though for trying to attack me on a pride angle AnalystInParadise Jun 2013 #282
Is that a black helicopter I hear? Pelican Jun 2013 #280
From Bradley Manning's statement at pretrial... Luminous Animal May 2013 #245
And he also released thousands of diplomatic cables indiscriminately, thereby putting pnwmom May 2013 #52
What, specifically, were these violations? jeff47 May 2013 #83
You know man.. Pelican May 2013 #93
I thought you knew the facts surrounding the Manning case. Are you saying you do not? sabrina 1 May 2013 #94
I do. I want to hear your interpretation. jeff47 May 2013 #95
I'd like to hear your interpretation as I have many times stated the facts about this case. I don't sabrina 1 May 2013 #101
Really? You can't even write a single sentence describing a violation? jeff47 May 2013 #104
As I thought, you have no knowledge of this case yet take a position on it. My references were to sabrina 1 May 2013 #115
No, I have plenty of knowledge. jeff47 May 2013 #127
Every question you just asked demonstrates that you know nothing about this case. sabrina 1 May 2013 #149
Manning IS NOT A WHISTLE-BLOWER. Ikonoklast May 2013 #183
Manning is the very definition of a Whistle Blower. sabrina 1 May 2013 #199
You keep repeating that treestar May 2013 #222
It's called "evasion". You probably won't get a straightforward answer, but thanks for trying. Tarheel_Dem May 2013 #116
Oh, this is about the 7th or 8th thread where she's done this. jeff47 May 2013 #130
7th or 8th? You obviously stopped counting. It's a poor tactic, but used to extremes... Tarheel_Dem May 2013 #140
It's you again. I really am puzzled by your obsession with me. sabrina 1 May 2013 #151
Perhaps you could provide one of your infamous "Links" to where I intimated such a thing? Tarheel_Dem May 2013 #188
Your referenced peace activists... Pelican May 2013 #106
The Iraq War was illegal. Everything about it should have been revealed in a court of law and sabrina 1 May 2013 #121
Got it... Pelican May 2013 #126
No, I'm surprised you think the 'world should run on emotions'. I disagree, I think it should sabrina 1 May 2013 #153
At this point... Pelican May 2013 #159
NAILED IT Number23 May 2013 #163
Well done! zappaman Jun 2013 #284
Ok. So what did that have to do with Castro's favorite cigar? jeff47 May 2013 #131
You keep saying that AnalystInParadise May 2013 #132
a lot like how corporations and the 1% get away with what they do. They pay liberal_at_heart May 2013 #135
The UN will never do anything the US does not want them to do. But other countries have sabrina 1 May 2013 #141
So you thought the war was legal... jberryhill May 2013 #154
I know it's late, but even that doesn't explain why anyone would write such a totally sabrina 1 May 2013 #158
We are so AnalystInParadise May 2013 #166
Absolutely nailed it. Bobbie Jo May 2013 #175
FYI..the poster you are conversing with thought Anwar Awlaki was a 'non-violent' cleric. msanthrope May 2013 #182
Facts? Okay, here are some facts from your (and my) hero, Daniel Elsberg on Bradley Manning: sabrina 1 May 2013 #197
So to summarize AnalystInParadise May 2013 #203
That's the most cogent and concise argument I have seen in this thread. Bravo. SlimJimmy May 2013 #251
Great post! zappaman Jun 2013 #285
Manning released material that had nothing to do with his *superiors* SlimJimmy May 2013 #181
See Daniel Elsberg on what was revealed by Manning. I will take his word over anonymous sabrina 1 May 2013 #192
If Elsberg had signed a non-disclosure agreement with the US government, SlimJimmy May 2013 #196
Elsberg was prosecuted with several felony charges. He was retired from the military sabrina 1 May 2013 #198
Okay, at least we agree that Manning couldn't have possibly read all of the material SlimJimmy May 2013 #204
We don't agree on your premise, which is false. As Gates himself said 'no harm was done' sabrina 1 May 2013 #214
Manning mindlessly released hundreds of thousands of classified documents (fact) SlimJimmy May 2013 #223
You've expressed an opinion, proving nothing. Daniel Ellsberg put it very clearly to dispel sabrina 1 May 2013 #246
You still won't answer the questions I asked. I can understand why. That wouldn't fit into the SlimJimmy May 2013 #249
i taught at the school house AnalystInParadise May 2013 #231
Thanks and +1 ...Younger DU'ers don't know what or who Daniel Ellsberg was about... KoKo May 2013 #212
Ellsberg was a true hero and patriot AnalystInParadise May 2013 #237
But,Dan Ellsberg considers Manning a Hero...Link: KoKo May 2013 #241
That's what people said about Ellsberg also. Your constant refrain that Manning exposed no sabrina 1 May 2013 #250
Ellsberg is a hero for the Pentagon Papers AnalystInParadise May 2013 #254
There is a difference between Ms. Toad May 2013 #15
Why not? If we Feminists look deeper into issues about our own..as do other support groups KoKo May 2013 #21
Being gay does not entitle someone to unquestioned support. Ms. Toad May 2013 #75
+1. pnwmom May 2013 #24
I not only support him, I admire and respect him Laughing Mirror May 2013 #19
Absolutely...but, where is the "support network" this kid really needs? KoKo May 2013 #22
The same reason some (most) African Americans don't support Clarence Thomas or Herman Cain stevenleser May 2013 #28
Are you equating Bradley Manning with Clarence Thomas or Herman Cain? KoKo May 2013 #29
Define equating. In the sense that some of their group doesn't support some of what they do? Yes stevenleser May 2013 #31
I see you do respond to some posters Bluenorthwest May 2013 #33
What a ridiculous response to a reasonable analogy (nt) Nye Bevan May 2013 #35
You're comparing Bradley Manning, a person courageous enough to report war crimes when he witnessed sabrina 1 May 2013 #44
The OP proposes a borderline discriminatory question. I gave an example of why it is discriminatory stevenleser May 2013 #62
Ain't nothing "borderline" about it. Number23 May 2013 #65
Probably true, but I'm being generous since OP seems oblivious to what they have done here. nt stevenleser May 2013 #67
Your analogy was a bad one to make that point. You would need to have compared someone sabrina 1 May 2013 #68
You cannot get to the point to discuss that if someone is being discriminatory stevenleser May 2013 #72
Of course you can. I have managed to discuss issues and even change minds, by stating facts sabrina 1 May 2013 #107
To do so is a kick in the face to the discriminated against group. I won't do it. stevenleser May 2013 #110
Oh please, that is so childish. How do you change minds if you refuse sabrina 1 May 2013 #150
That is very easy for you to say. You are not part of the group being stereotyped here. stevenleser May 2013 #169
What's puzzling? Purplehazed May 2013 #148
Please AnalystInParadise May 2013 #168
thomas and cain aren't dissidents, they're agents of state power. stupid analogy. HiPointDem May 2013 #46
And what does that have to do with their skin color? jeff47 May 2013 #86
Good analogy... SidDithers May 2013 #56
Yes, indeed. A man who supported John Kerry. A man who protested against Luminous Animal May 2013 #119
Manning supporting Kerry sounds unlikely. ucrdem May 2013 #134
He was a member of the Stonewall Democrats which supported Kerry enthusiastically. Luminous Animal May 2013 #200
Recommend...Thanks for the Photos and Links about Manning and Stonewall Dems KoKo May 2013 #202
Thanks for including the video in your OP. I was at that protest, though blocked from attending Luminous Animal May 2013 #206
Thanks...I had it posted at #13 in the thread but, no one read it even though the KoKo May 2013 #209
I don't see any evidence that Manning "supported John Kerry" ucrdem May 2013 #207
He a Democrat and a member of an organization that ENTHUSIASTICALLY supported Kerry. Luminous Animal May 2013 #208
Agree...shocking that a Dem Poster would call Manning a "Libertarian" without KoKo May 2013 #210
Manning says in a 2/32/2009 chat that he is NOT a Democrat: ucrdem May 2013 #213
I believe thinking reasonable people should stop replying to KoKo on this thread. dballance May 2013 #32
Post #13 has not had an answer. KoKo May 2013 #34
So You're Ignoring post #27 that responds to #13? dballance May 2013 #36
The perils of keeping people on your Ignore list (nt) Nye Bevan May 2013 #43
Bottom line: Your OP is borderline discriminatory as it proposes the LGBT community is monolithic stevenleser May 2013 #39
Steve...what is Your Feeling about Bradley Manning? KoKo May 2013 #41
Oh please. Stop being deliberately obtuse with the "Clarence Thomas" nonsense. Nye Bevan May 2013 #45
it's steve who brought up clarence thomas. HiPointDem May 2013 #47
Just. Stop. (nt) Nye Bevan May 2013 #49
stop what? steve brought up thomas. fact. HiPointDem May 2013 #58
What does Thomas's skin color have to do with his crappy decisions? jeff47 May 2013 #103
steven brought him up. that is my only comment beyond the comment, to steve, that it's a HiPointDem May 2013 #113
So you completely missed the analogy. jeff47 May 2013 #117
there is no analogy. HiPointDem May 2013 #125
Only because you lionize one and demonize the other jeff47 May 2013 #128
I cannot have this conversation under this OP. nt stevenleser May 2013 #66
+1 Canuckistanian May 2013 #51
You think that the LGBT movement... Pelican May 2013 #61
+1000 maddezmom May 2013 #53
I agree. liberal_at_heart May 2013 #55
+1...nt SidDithers May 2013 #57
And once again, you demostrate why you are a TRUE ally to our cause... Behind the Aegis May 2013 #60
Thank you BTA stevenleser May 2013 #176
Thank you. cordelia May 2013 #63
Or why even GLBT Yo_Mama May 2013 #82
I find it more than borderline TorchTheWitch May 2013 #157
You're right, but as I said above in #67, I don't think the OP really understands that. stevenleser May 2013 #172
Exactly. I agree totally. NYC Liberal May 2013 #215
I believe the racist penguins are behind it. LeftyMom May 2013 #59
Fun fact of the morning... Pelican May 2013 #71
Who among the LGBT community are you referring to, specifically? Anyone here? Zorra May 2013 #69
I knew you would... KoKo May 2013 #191
Oh, yeah, I get it now. Duh. Zorra May 2013 #242
Many of us do, but it is not a LGBT issue so our organiztions probably don't want to touch it. hrmjustin May 2013 #74
It is not a GLBT issue Yo_Mama May 2013 #77
How did being gay force Manning to leak classified information? (nt) jeff47 May 2013 #88
LGBTers that are Obama loyalists and/or log cabin types don't like him. the one who bad mouthed him boilerbabe May 2013 #89
also the middle east war hawks don't like him. HiPointDem May 2013 #124
"Human Rights campaign snob type gays " JI7 May 2013 #129
wasn't he also white? male? a soldier? a liberal? La Lioness Priyanka May 2013 #108
should planned parenthood, emily's list etc support Bachmann, Palin , etc ? JI7 May 2013 #120
Uh-oh. Cue "How dare you equate Manning to Palin"? (nt) Nye Bevan May 2013 #136
I'm not entirely certain if cross-species support should be encouraged. randome May 2013 #224
Thats a mighty big brush your painting with and it's not dipped in rainbow paint. William769 May 2013 #143
I think you're labouring under the misapprehension that homosexuality is a political position. sibelian May 2013 #145
For the same reason Capt. Obvious May 2013 #170
170 replies Sissyk May 2013 #171
Well said. mattclearing May 2013 #174
It's not a GLBT issue IMO. n/t RKP5637 May 2013 #177
Your OP is really offensive Marrah_G May 2013 #180
And the "follow ups" are even worse. Behind the Aegis May 2013 #234
The GLBT community, by and large, does support Bradley Manning KamaAina May 2013 #184
This message was self-deleted by its author KamaAina May 2013 #186
Thanks, KamaAina, KoKo May 2013 #189
So any GLBT person who is accused of any crime.. MicaelS May 2013 #185
Mannings "Human Rights and Dignity" have been violated. He is gay and KoKo May 2013 #190
Is he gay? I thought he had 'gender personality disorder' and wasn't even sure himself. randome May 2013 #195
I was unaware that Manning was gay until just now KamaAina May 2013 #187
He's actually transgender FreeState May 2013 #211
He's very young ...figuring out where he finds himself in GLBT Community is KoKo May 2013 #220
Why didn't the straight community support whistler162 May 2013 #218
Maybe because it has nothing to do with him being GAY? jazzimov May 2013 #225
See my post just above, #220. KoKo May 2013 #228
He should be Grand Marshall and FREE. :-/ - K&R n/t DeSwiss May 2013 #233
Not sure of the premise of OP: LGBTs don't support Bradley. Largely we do. But.... Smarmie Doofus May 2013 #240
I've known a lot of gay conservatives. LuvNewcastle May 2013 #244
No secret handshakes or coded plans to corrupt the world? Huh. How disappointing. randome May 2013 #247
Not corrupt.....just rule :) Marrah_G May 2013 #248
the GLBT community does not have to agree on every issue adric mutelovic Jun 2013 #277
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