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230. Really do tell how they could differenciate........
Fri Jun 7, 2013, 05:14 AM
Jun 2013

from the millions & millions of phones in the urban area who was with Occupy. Every phone is capable of being monitored, as long as it has GPS, uses 911 or e-911 or a variety of installed apps. If the government isn't data mining then your okay with the thousands of companies that do it too.

k&r Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #1
"U.S. Intelligence Mining Data from Nine U.S. Internet Companies in Broad Secret Program" Hissyspit Jun 2013 #162
Sounds like Russia in 1955 warrant46 Jun 2013 #168
The only thing they will find in my records HipChick Jun 2013 #2
That's probably because they are actively monitoring it. TalkingDog Jun 2013 #7
That's why I don't use it much...I hear way too many clicks on the line HipChick Jun 2013 #10
There is a difference in phone records of calls and actually monitoring the calls. Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #156
Is there really? The vast majority of calls are not monitored by humans, but they are retained and leveymg Jun 2013 #249
Phone call records are just what it says, a list of phone call from a calling party to a called Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #277
The NSA collects all sorts of data, from credit records to email to telephone calls. leveymg Jun 2013 #278
Are you saying when the NSA receives the call records it also gets the voice content Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #282
NSA installed signal splitter equipment at telco hubs and ISPs that allows it to tap into those leveymg Jun 2013 #284
Monitoring of calls is wire tapping, this s different from obtaining records of calls. Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #285
NSA does both and a lot more. It operates many programs. PRISM is just one of them. leveymg Jun 2013 #289
Yes NSA does more but on the phone records they are simply a record of calls and length. Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #294
If they go after Comcast treestar Jun 2013 #169
you will have to be gentle with them. I am sure they are still suffering boilerbabe Jun 2013 #3
^^this^^ Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #4
Nailed it. LOL. morningfog Jun 2013 #51
yep. nt Demo_Chris Jun 2013 #129
Speak It, Tell It!! LovingA2andMI Jun 2013 #155
Too many people think they need protecting from evil forces. So are OK with this shit! n-t Logical Jun 2013 #5
...and when the evil force is our own government we won't be able to make corrections to it. L0oniX Jun 2013 #151
+1000 n-t Logical Jun 2013 #281
K&R! n/t whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #6
I haven't seen this yet on DU, Seeking Serenity Jun 2013 #8
The lack of logic of worrying about standing up for what is right because 'it might give some sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #20
Agreed. This is a massive over-reach by the NSA and should be protested SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #28
The retention and minimization rules are by Presidential Order, not agency rules. Overreach is by leveymg Jun 2013 #81
Agreed, but agency rules also restrict the collection and holding of data to non-us entities. SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #97
My understanding is that the Retention Act is ignored and that the current Presidential Order leveymg Jun 2013 #239
Here's the problem. The IRS has rules and regulations concerning the disclosure SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #242
I agree. That's one of the inherent dangers of the NSA and other agencies collecting data. leveymg Jun 2013 #250
Wasn't everyone warned about that very thing when it came into being? Hestia Jun 2013 #193
Good points, and true. SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #196
Bingo. nt laundry_queen Jun 2013 #33
Double Bingo. nt clarice Jun 2013 #110
+1000... awoke_in_2003 Jun 2013 #104
Huh? Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #189
Hello... awoke_in_2003 Jun 2013 #198
Better to avoid being too deep.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #199
+1 leftstreet Jun 2013 #108
There is enough disappointment to go around but I am disappointed in our judicial system rhett o rick Jun 2013 #143
Thank you. nt woo me with science Jun 2013 #173
I think this is traffic analysis. Content of the calls is not collected. I don't think alfredo Jun 2013 #79
Here's how NSA works, and has worked, since at least 2006: leveymg Jun 2013 #84
Bush didn't go through the FISA court, Obama did. Of course we need to know the leanings of the alfredo Jun 2013 #102
That is correct, Bush did not go through the FISA court which was exposed if you remember and became sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #117
I would like to see Obama surrender many of the new powers granted to Bush. They were using alfredo Jun 2013 #123
THIS IS GREAT ^^^^^ LovingA2andMI Jun 2013 #157
+1000 .. thx for this! \n Phillip McCleod Jun 2013 #120
The problem with the collection and storage of this data is that it allows the NSA to develop a SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #100
We are not as fear ridden as we were under Bush, that is why there is pushback. Obama isn't alfredo Jun 2013 #111
I heard earlier today that this has been occurring for at least seven years. With the SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #113
At least Obama complies with the FISA law. Can we trust the FISA court? I hope so. Repeal alfredo Jun 2013 #116
Bingo! Maedhros Jun 2013 #144
Yes, the thought is scary, but quite plausible. SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #175
Really do tell how they could differenciate........ Historic NY Jun 2013 #230
Find sand, insert head LondonReign2 Jun 2013 #112
This guy thinks otherwise. OnyxCollie Jun 2013 #131
it only took a few hours for this to be proven utter BS nashville_brook Jun 2013 #197
Incredible OP. Thanks. GoneFishin Jun 2013 #9
IOKIYAD? Iggo Jun 2013 #11
Disgustingly, it does seem so lately. nt Mnemosyne Jun 2013 #42
+10000000 nashville_brook Jun 2013 #238
Congress is required to review all FISA requests. randome Jun 2013 #12
Congressional oversight by leadership plus chair and ranking member of the intelligence committees FarCenter Jun 2013 #16
Thanks for that bit of research! randome Jun 2013 #41
They, including Obama when he was a Senator, voted for the FISA Bill, which RETROACTIVELY sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #47
This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Jun 2013 #105
Yes, Republicans are complicit too DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #48
I think you are right. Congess would have already been briefed in the appropriate SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #114
This. WilliamPitt Jun 2013 #13
If you don't acknowledge that Congress as well as the administration is part of the problem cali Jun 2013 #14
I do acknowledge that Congress is a part of the problem DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #39
And you are including the administration in your concern? rpannier Jun 2013 #227
Um...did you happen to catch the OP? DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #253
It's funny that it was shown that the Bush administration shouldn't have needed expanded powers to brewens Jun 2013 #15
You got that right! randome Jun 2013 #21
This is a travesty.... BrainDrain Jun 2013 #17
Madly collecting our private information while prosecuting JEB Jun 2013 #18
Exactly. I guess the 'little people have nothing to worry about if they are doing nothing wrong'. sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #22
Don't forget to use these words.... JEB Jun 2013 #30
Time to write a web-bot that will randomly use these words in political forums. PrestonLocke Jun 2013 #66
wouldn't terrorists use code words arely staircase Jun 2013 #72
... leftstreet Jun 2013 #109
Very well put, JEB! Th1onein Jun 2013 #195
K&R....well expressed. zeemike Jun 2013 #19
You missed one. Robb Jun 2013 #23
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #34
"Government, on some level, at least believes it has my best interests at heart" ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #216
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #24
Welcome to DU my friend! hrmjustin Jun 2013 #35
Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #94
Pardon? hrmjustin Jun 2013 #96
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #119
Agreed. nt DLevine Jun 2013 #25
this is the sort of thing they used to scare us about the Soviets when I was a kid.... mike_c Jun 2013 #26
yep. . . . . n/t annabanana Jun 2013 #38
Yep. Thats what made communism so terrible and the USA so great. GoneFishin Jun 2013 #43
The fall of the USSR may have been one of the worst things to happen to the U.S. Xithras Jun 2013 #46
"The creatures outside looked from pig to man, Art_from_Ark Jun 2013 #212
Chilling isn't it? I was thinking the same thing recently. But should we be surprised really? Human sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #232
"Can you hear me now?" GeorgeGist Jun 2013 #27
Perfect RVN VET Jun 2013 #180
K&R. nt OnyxCollie Jun 2013 #29
righteous rant think Jun 2013 #31
I'm not OK with it Gore1FL Jun 2013 #32
I feel the same way DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #49
Everything you say is true, now WTF are you gonna do about it? tularetom Jun 2013 #36
So in your view, once I voted for Obama, I need to shut up and take my lumps? DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #67
Obama is just the tip of the iceberg tularetom Jun 2013 #83
If you think tapping and storing phone data just started under Obama you are naive and childish. Pisces Jun 2013 #37
where on earth did this come from? DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #44
I did not meant to attack you directly, my post is a generality. These things are not new. Pisces Jun 2013 #103
If you were here in 2002 Pholus Jun 2013 #57
K&R idwiyo Jun 2013 #40
Sorry, the spinning is that this technique was somehow invented by Obama. peace13 Jun 2013 #45
There may be spin that this was "invented by Obama", but it's not coming from me DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #53
+1 840high Jun 2013 #191
Oh, that was priceless. woo me with science Jun 2013 #78
The fan club feels threatened Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #88
The abilty to remember more than four years back is handy! peace13 Jun 2013 #134
how far will the redirection go? nebenaube Jun 2013 #255
THANK YOU. This post should go to the top of the Greatest Page. woo me with science Jun 2013 #50
Naive think_critically Jun 2013 #52
The outrage is not unwarranted, but I should spare you the outrage? DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #56
agreed but here's the problem think_critically Jun 2013 #61
Blame me and yourself if that's what makes you tick DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #71
Verizon is being required to hand over the data on a daily basis. BlueCheese Jun 2013 #184
If your just now getting upset you have been uninformed for a decade! jbond56 Jun 2013 #54
Do you suppose this story is actually breaking for a reason? DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #59
my point is it was proven in 2004 and confirmed again in 2007. jbond56 Jun 2013 #65
perhaps it's being broken now to render it bipartisan MisterP Jun 2013 #132
The NSA was snooping in Verizon traffic? nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #55
I just don't like our whole total loss of privacy. leftyladyfrommo Jun 2013 #58
KRB 64 Octafish Jun 2013 #60
It is wrong on both sides of the fence. However, Congress DID allow this, and it included Democrats still_one Jun 2013 #62
Maybe this will light a fire under Congress to do something about it. GoCubsGo Jun 2013 #77
Not unless we get more progressives in it won't happen I am afraid still_one Jun 2013 #122
k&r n/t RainDog Jun 2013 #63
Not okay with it Marrah_G Jun 2013 #64
Congress will only react to the people nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #68
A-FUCKIN'-MEN!!! Hell Hath No Fury Jun 2013 #69
k to the r frylock Jun 2013 #70
Can you even imagine the shitstorm if it turned out the Obama administration had STOPPED doing this? mn9driver Jun 2013 #73
So what are we going do about it? siligut Jun 2013 #74
Giving Obama pass after pass tblue Jun 2013 #75
I'm not comfortable with the NSA spying in the US. I'm not comfortable with alfredo Jun 2013 #76
I would also be more upset to find they were getting the content DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #80
You dont need a warrant for content. jbond56 Jun 2013 #85
Not all NSA geeks are sociopaths. If that is happening, it will leak out. alfredo Jun 2013 #115
You can believe they aren't intercepting content. Savannahmann Jun 2013 #86
exactly jbond56 Jun 2013 #91
A fundamental problem is our government's INTENTIONAL view that 4th amendment doesn't apply... cascadiance Jun 2013 #82
Really good material, and I agree. Thank you for the post. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #87
+ 1,000 suffragette Jun 2013 #214
Just wait until ProSense sees this hootinholler Jun 2013 #89
Snort DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #90
She's furiously getting her bolded quotes lined up LondonReign2 Jun 2013 #118
Makes me thankful for my IL... chervilant Jun 2013 #233
I really hate it michigandem58 Jun 2013 #164
Or when someone injects pure panic when facts would be better. Damn them. SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #185
Could you explain that comment? What do you mean by 'uninformed panic'? sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #220
The OP and other hair-on-fire types michigandem58 Jun 2013 #260
So we now live in a country where the Death Penalty is administered without charges, without sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #264
Test me, Michigan. I'm ready DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #266
The points are in the post you replied to! michigandem58 Jun 2013 #269
In that case, we've just established that your post is bunk DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #270
Suuuuure michigandem58 Jun 2013 #271
I'm not here to satisfy your whims. I told you I was apprised of all you mentioned DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #272
Here, in question form for you michigandem58 Jun 2013 #273
Answers DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #274
I'm sorry michigandem58 Jun 2013 #275
You're done. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #276
Next time OWS or something like it happens, Dustlawyer Jun 2013 #92
It may have already happened Maedhros Jun 2013 #145
I am sure it did. OWS fought them off guard so they have taken steps to make sure it doesn't Dustlawyer Jun 2013 #263
It was used on the Philly campus. nebenaube Jun 2013 #258
Some "liberals" are as dumb as conservatives fjlovato Jun 2013 #93
I'll let someone else waste time with you DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #95
You might want to read this nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #138
Unfortunately Maedhros Jun 2013 #146
If you think this just about 'billing' and not content, you're just kidding yourself. KG Jun 2013 #98
I don't harbor that particular delusion DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #101
my post was meant as an addendum to yours. not a statement directed at you. KG Jun 2013 #121
No apology is necessary at all DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #124
perspective? klebean Jun 2013 #99
I am definitely not OK with NSA snooping, but existentialist Jun 2013 #106
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #107
excellent post locks Jun 2013 #125
And we wonder why the 1% keep growing richer? Duer 157099 Jun 2013 #126
What's really scary is all 3 branches of government including both parties are okay with it. dkf Jun 2013 #127
How about skepticscott Jun 2013 #128
BHO is culpable blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #130
The "Father Knows Best" wing of the party thinks it's just peachy. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #133
They're "phoning in" the notion this makes even 1% safer Blue Owl Jun 2013 #135
An excellent post...! KoKo Jun 2013 #136
Attention: Democrats currently in office el scorcho Jun 2013 #137
If you think this is a revelation, you've also got a problem frazzled Jun 2013 #139
There is a reason it's making headlines. It will come to you soon. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #140
Everyone who was yelling about sheeple under Bush now have become sheeple :( pam4water Jun 2013 #141
Well... Not Everybody... But Your Point Is Well Taken... WillyT Jun 2013 #142
Keep this on top. woo me with science Jun 2013 #147
What do you mean?? We are safe now & Michelle Obama is a very snappy dresser, so STOP SAYING THAT!!! Kurovski Jun 2013 #148
Michelle Obama does way more than dress "snappy".. Ring Cha Jun 2013 #158
Tell it to CNN. Kurovski Jun 2013 #160
I don't watch fucking cnn. Cha Jun 2013 #163
I don't give a fuck what media you fucking consume, that's not the goddamned point. Kurovski Jun 2013 #171
I don't consume any fucking media and I see no pretending of anything. Cha Jun 2013 #172
Actually, in my opinon, you *should* consume media. We should watch *all* SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #176
Except you can't really do that on MSNBC. stillwaiting Jun 2013 #235
You could also include Current TV (if you get it). Bill Press in the morning is very SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #236
Fuckin A. "Natural allies" my ass. You support this you are the fucking enemy TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #149
+1000 limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #152
Yep. K&R closeupready Jun 2013 #150
The US is ripe for a dictatorship and if it should happen we won't be able to do anything about it. L0oniX Jun 2013 #153
Charles and David Koch are pretty much dictators. Initech Jun 2013 #202
OMG!!! I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE this post!!! LovingA2andMI Jun 2013 #154
Well then, I'm happy to be "Part of the Problem". :) ConservativeDemocrat Jun 2013 #159
"Conservative" Hissyspit Jun 2013 #161
Ah, of course. Mindless tribalism. ConservativeDemocrat Jun 2013 #174
"Mindless tribalism" Hissyspit Jun 2013 #183
Not that old talking point again 'the reality based community'. It was invented to slam Liberals sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #222
"Proud Member of the Reality Based Community" is a democratic slam against Karl Rove ConservativeDemocrat Jun 2013 #267
Which is why it was so reprehensible for so-called Democrats, to use it to slam Democrats with. If sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #268
The reality based community was NOT invented to slam liberals, as you stated ConservativeDemocrat Jun 2013 #280
It definitely is not effective as a slam against 'real democrats' at least you are right about that. sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #283
Back to the tribalism, I see... ConservativeDemocrat Jun 2013 #293
What's funny is that the mega corporations are suddenly OK now treestar Jun 2013 #170
Bravo Jonzey50 Jun 2013 #252
just another brick... nebenaube Jun 2013 #259
Until the Patriot Act is overturned, I can't complain. Until then, it's the law. SleeplessinSoCal Jun 2013 #165
TIA...it is real and online. Rex Jun 2013 #166
Why? treestar Jun 2013 #167
I've never considered my emails or voice communication truly private Red Mountain Jun 2013 #177
This is what is called a "limited hangout" many a good man Jun 2013 #178
What would a full hangout tell us? leveymg Jun 2013 #241
If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear! DirkGently Jun 2013 #179
Emphasis placed on *supposed to be*. (nt) SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #186
recommendation #180! quinnox Jun 2013 #181
If you pop a Pez everytime the noise machine yanks your chain ucrdem Jun 2013 #182
You mean Amy Goodman, Thom Hartmann, Glenn Greenwald, The Nation, who were the other 'pack rats' sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #219
"... you're part of a different problem...." MrMickeysMom Jun 2013 #229
K&R forestpath Jun 2013 #187
I conclude that during presidential or other campaigns, the incumbent JDPriestly Jun 2013 #188
k/r 840high Jun 2013 #190
Then ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #192
NSA has direct server access to your email, photos, file transfers, live chat, search history... nashville_brook Jun 2013 #194
That's not what the subpoena says. At all. n/t ucrdem Jun 2013 #200
you are way behind on the news. time to catch up. nashville_brook Jun 2013 #237
I'm not out-raged; but ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #287
And the NSA is not the only organization that can access this info panader0 Jun 2013 #209
That's just according to the OP.. that Cha Jun 2013 #211
The morons who say "Oh I don't have anything to hide" are clearly lying. Initech Jun 2013 #201
Not just yes, but fuck yes. 99Forever Jun 2013 #203
Really...? deathrind Jun 2013 #204
Why is this even news? Generic Brad Jun 2013 #205
Glad To See Someone Else Smelling A Rat DallasNE Jun 2013 #208
What Did Jim DeMint Recently Advise To Repubicans DallasNE Jun 2013 #206
We hand wrung then. JoeyT Jun 2013 #215
Define Who "Our Guy" Is DallasNE Jun 2013 #221
I'm good with a broadside attack against the Patriot Act. JoeyT Jun 2013 #223
Nothing New WovenGems Jun 2013 #207
Repeal the AUMF and the Patriot Act Timbuk3 Jun 2013 #210
What Do You Think the NSA Does? This is just another from the SCANDAL machine. CdnExtraNational Jun 2013 #213
I think a lot of people didn't understand what the NSA does, and simply trusted that they weren't leveymg Jun 2013 #240
The people trying to spin this really need to coordinate better. JoeyT Jun 2013 #217
I'm outraged, regardless of any political party involved. Apophis Jun 2013 #218
Keep it on top. woo me with science Jun 2013 #224
Of course.... DeSwiss Jun 2013 #225
Like your pic rpannier Jun 2013 #226
Wow. Spot-on graphic. woo me with science Jun 2013 #228
When dealing with potentially dangerous powers, trust but verify. leveymg Jun 2013 #246
Kick and Yup! Agschmid Jun 2013 #231
The bleating of the Sheeple... chervilant Jun 2013 #234
Kick Scuba Jun 2013 #243
Bingo Aerows Jun 2013 #244
can't blame Congress? You're definitely part of the problem. bigtree Jun 2013 #245
"protesting against a lame duck president" is not my point. You may swim in those circles. I don't. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #256
so, anyone who disagrees with your drivel agrees with the NSA snooping? Are you an imbecile? bigtree Jun 2013 #261
Maybe I am an imbecile, thanks for bringing up the possibility. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #265
Bingo! blackspade Jun 2013 #247
Cyberspace is a threat. Jonzey50 Jun 2013 #248
I'm not fear-driven to that extent. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #262
We must remove any trace of conservative ideology from the party Thenewire Jun 2013 #251
Welcome to DU my friend! hrmjustin Jun 2013 #257
Absolutely. nt Zorra Jun 2013 #254
What if Obama was the leaker? Zen Democrat Jun 2013 #279
Kick !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #286
If a tiny fraction of overreacting babies think you're the problem.. gulliver Jun 2013 #288
If you think NSA spying is a good thing DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #290
Great comment, nothing to add just wanted to let you know those who are willing to tolerate the sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #292
Not suprprised or upset quaker bill Jun 2013 #291
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