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Tierra_y_Libertad

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32. Their principles blow with the "My party, right or wrong" wind.

Reply to Fumesucker (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2013, 12:40 AM

Jun 2013

As has been demonstrated here over and over again since Obama took office. Usually followed by the "not as bad" mantra.

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If tomorrow Obama changed his mind and decided the surveillance program was all wrong [View all] Fumesucker Jun 2013 OP

Those that support it, yes. rug Jun 2013 #1

I thought it was wrong under Bush, think it's wrong under Obama... BlueCheese Jun 2013 #2

...and I'll STILL make the point that Obama broke no law and was the best happy medium of a bad .... uponit7771 Jun 2013 #3

You will continue to argue for universal surveillance if Obama decides it's not wise? n/t Fumesucker Jun 2013 #6

I don't argue for "universal" (good try) surveillance NOW! I argue what Obama is doing is NOT what.. uponit7771 Jun 2013 #9

Surveilling everyone certainly could be argued as being universal surveillance Fumesucker Jun 2013 #13

I wih people would ask Congressmen what they thought of the laws that they passed Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2013 #4

The law may be screwed up. BlueCheese Jun 2013 #12

Or to put it another way BlueStreak Jun 2013 #22

Sure RobertEarl Jun 2013 #5

Of course Marrah_G Jun 2013 #7

you know they would and they would act like they were against it the whole time! nt boilerbabe Jun 2013 #8

I know exactly what they would say. woo me with science Jun 2013 #10

Of course. They'd flip around in an instant, just as the Bushies used to do. /nt Marr Jun 2013 #11

Their 'principles' conform to whatever the prez believes so whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #14

I'm not even sure what "the surveillance program" is, so I can't say Recursion Jun 2013 #15

These programs are funded by congress and under congressional oversight. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2013 #16

I'm saying if Obama just changed his opinion and said so publicly Fumesucker Jun 2013 #19

what does changing his mind mean? It doesn't change the programs. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2013 #20

Please show me where in the Patriot Act or any other legislation BlueStreak Jun 2013 #24

Why change the subject? Agnosticsherbet Jun 2013 #30

You said the Congress mandated these programs and the President had no option. BlueStreak Jun 2013 #33

Who decides it's a vioaltion? Agnosticsherbet Jun 2013 #37

"If the law was followed, it wasn't UNCONSTITUTIONAL, was it?" BlueStreak Jun 2013 #41

My question was about those of us down here in the cheap seats, what our reaction would be Fumesucker Jun 2013 #25

I don't think so. It would not change mine. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2013 #27

You would consider Obama as being ill advised if he were to discontinue the surveillance? Fumesucker Jun 2013 #29

Without proof that he discontinued them it would mean nothing. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2013 #31

I would call for ProSense Jun 2013 #17

He came to the Tea Bagger Freaks Defense usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #18

Of course. The propeller stops spinning for an afternoon and cranks up in the other direction... Poll_Blind Jun 2013 #21

The supporters would do a 180. nt LittleBlue Jun 2013 #23

The best things here are ProSense Jun 2013 #26

Would you continue to argue for the surveillance programs in question if Obama disowned them? Fumesucker Jun 2013 #28

Their principles blow with the "My party, right or wrong" wind. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #32

If the USSC were to rule that these dragnet warrants are constitutional... OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #34

Do you think SCOTUS acted ethically and properly in Bush v Gore? Fumesucker Jun 2013 #35

A curious dodge... OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #36

You never answered my original question either Fumesucker Jun 2013 #38

Remember the run up to ACA? JoeyT Jun 2013 #39

In a hot flash. Le Taz Hot Jun 2013 #40

Those who LWolf Jun 2013 #42