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Jim Lane

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142. Your charge ignores the context.

Wed Jun 12, 2013, 01:38 PM

Jun 2013

The clear implication is that the poll relates to the NSA issue.

An analogy: Suppose in 2002 someone had posted a similar poll about the Iraq War Resolution. John Kerry voted for it but Ron Paul voted against it. So how do you feel about IWR, you must stand with Paul or with Kerry, only two choices here, so anyone who opposes Bush's war of aggression is a Paulite who doesn't belong on DU?

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Do you Stand with Rand or with President Obama. Only two choices here. [View all] graham4anything Jun 2013 OP

Define on what? newmember Jun 2013 #1

There is no other issue. This is the issue. Cirque du So-What Jun 2013 #11

You should state what Paul and Obama argue adric mutelovic Jun 2013 #179

Were you a member of the debate club in high school. NCTraveler Jun 2013 #2

I stand with myself. Possibly because I just eat a raw onion. One of those red ones. el_bryanto Jun 2013 #3

DUzy!!!! calimary Jun 2013 #151

Is that what's giving me gas? flamingdem Jun 2013 #153

Oh for heaven's sake. Demit Jun 2013 #4

I'm on the side of the US Constitution DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #5

And I'm with you on that. Th1onein Jun 2013 #178

Two problems. Savannahmann Jun 2013 #6

how about this is the stupidest poll I've ever seen on DU? cali Jun 2013 #7

You must hate America and the ballet newmember Jun 2013 #12

actually, we can ALL see who voted which way,,,, KarenS Jun 2013 #18

+1 pinboy3niner Jun 2013 #19

If not the stupidest, it's certainly up there. lob1 Jun 2013 #152

well it's certainly beat the farces i've attempted NuttyFluffers Jun 2013 #202

define on what again..... newmember Jun 2013 #8

It is an a abstract issue treestar Jun 2013 #9

in 2000 there were 2 choices. Vote for Gore or against Gore. Vote for ALito/Roberts or Against graham4anything Jun 2013 #20

"there are only two choices for everything". Absolute horse shit. cali Jun 2013 #28

Lol, you made me laugh, which was not easy after seeing this ridiculous poll, We should all have sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #204

Nah, that's not so treestar Jun 2013 #141

If there were only two choices, why did so many vote for Buchanan on the butterfly ballot? n/t hughee99 Jun 2013 #144

Florida didn't matter if NH 4 electoral votes went for Gore. Gore had 270 without Florida w NH graham4anything Jun 2013 #146

I thought there were only two choices? That's what I was responding to. hughee99 Jun 2013 #147

You're against loyalty oaths and purity tests. Except when they're YOURS. Disgusting. cali Jun 2013 #10

Agreed Savannahmann Jun 2013 #14

LMAO Solly Mack Jun 2013 #13

This is not a confidential poll. There's no such thing on DU Renew Deal Jun 2013 #15

Do you like ripping the heads off of puppies or strawberry cheesecake? JW2020 Jun 2013 #16

Perhaps a tough call for the lactose intolerant. hughee99 Jun 2013 #145

If you make me choose, I will always stand with the Constitution Yo_Mama Jun 2013 #17

Amen to this,,, n/t KarenS Jun 2013 #23

Excellent post, thank you! sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #207

What a bland salad pintobean Jun 2013 #21

Mea culpa JW2020 Jun 2013 #22

Ralph Nader! Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #24

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #25

+1 pintobean Jun 2013 #26

+10000. nt. premium Jun 2013 #30

Why stop there - why not get rid of anybody who says things you don't like? nt el_bryanto Jun 2013 #32

The irony is amazing. Just in the last few days graham4anything Jun 2013 #45

Good grief! HappyMe Jun 2013 #49

You're on the MIRT pintobean Jun 2013 #64

MIRT is about getting rid of spammers, HappyMe Jun 2013 #72

Thanks for that. ucrdem Jun 2013 #75

Agreed. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #61

No but we are supposed to pretend that the OP is being honest bobduca Jun 2013 #116

I suspect the OP is still awaiting beer and travel money, and many experiences Electric Monk Jun 2013 #162

Over half of the respondents to this poll sibelian Jun 2013 #27

and voters in 2000 who stayed home because of Ralph Nader were not counted in the totals graham4anything Jun 2013 #33

Your own "data" disproves your point. JW2020 Jun 2013 #52

This is not a confidential poll. premium Jun 2013 #29

The less than loyal members identified by the "confidential" poll so far. Savannahmann Jun 2013 #31

Add me to the list of less than loyal. nt. premium Jun 2013 #35

I did say it was so far. Savannahmann Jun 2013 #41

Polls are meaningless, like the gallop poll or the rasmussen one yesterday graham4anything Jun 2013 #36

If polls are meaningless, premium Jun 2013 #43

So your confidential poll was merely a loyalty test Savannahmann Jun 2013 #44

No, it is meaningless. Because anyone can push either button and not mean it. graham4anything Jun 2013 #51

so why the fuck did you ask (more like accuse) me if my op was a loyalty test cali Jun 2013 #84

because a loyalty test is NOT a poll. graham4anything Jun 2013 #89

grab a clue. any clue anywhere. My thread asking people to check in was sure as shit not a cali Jun 2013 #93

no longer responding to you. I value your and everybody words,but I don't have to respond to them. graham4anything Jun 2013 #95

good. that means that you'll keep your silliness out of my threads. cali Jun 2013 #105

I will respond to political view points I disagree with. But I never cross the 3rd wall. graham4anything Jun 2013 #108

Of one thing I'm certain: I don't stand with the likes of YOU. cali Jun 2013 #34

I defend your right to your 1st amendment and vigourously defend your right to your viewpoint. graham4anything Jun 2013 #39

hmmm... I think not. At least not from what I've seen. Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #133

If Skinner and Earlg have this place on auto pilot Puglover Jun 2013 #118

silly H2O Man Jun 2013 #37

trollish cali Jun 2013 #38

But revealing. ucrdem Jun 2013 #42

Even if one were H2O Man Jun 2013 #71

You are too kind by half. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #97

Zombie-ish -- Hell Hath No Fury Jun 2013 #138

Yeah, back in 2006 Autumn Jun 2013 #165

you Better Believe It Heddi Jun 2013 #169

Nope. Hell Hath No Fury Jun 2013 #171

two sides of the same coin Heddi Jun 2013 #172

Our rights are not a fucking political football magellan Jun 2013 #40

Ignore politics at your peril. ucrdem Jun 2013 #46

There are always 2 choices when 270 counts. graham4anything Jun 2013 #56

I have no idea magellan Jun 2013 #65

If Obama goes down, Jebster rises. ucrdem Jun 2013 #73

Oh, pardon me magellan Jun 2013 #77

That's generally how low information swing voters vote ucrdem Jun 2013 #82

My personal feelings about Obama don't come into it magellan Jun 2013 #94

Okay. I don't mean you personally. ucrdem Jun 2013 #100

Yes they are good at that magellan Jun 2013 #110

Unfortunately, a lot of the time, it IS show biz for ugly people. calimary Jun 2013 #180

Maybe if more Americans grew the fuck up we'd actually start electing people who give a shit about premium Jun 2013 #48

+1 magellan Jun 2013 #53

I do not "stand" with either one. ananda Jun 2013 #47

It's been pointed out to you repeatedly that contrary to your false fucking claim cali Jun 2013 #50

Because he's identifying those of us who are disloyal Savannahmann Jun 2013 #55

It's an internet poll. ucrdem Jun 2013 #59

The question is not about the President anymore than DU polls are confidential Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #74

You shouldn't be surprised. When the President and the Constitution part ways, DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #79

Agreed. HappyMe Jun 2013 #80

You'll need to post step by step video explaining to G4A why DU pols are not confidential. idwiyo Jun 2013 #63

Neither are phone numbers and never were. Phone books, party lines, $4.95 on google looks everything graham4anything Jun 2013 #68

Thank you for submitting a proof to my point. The sad part is you'll think I actually agree with you idwiyo Jun 2013 #76

I thought it was obvious that it was a satorical statement.That is why there is now a sarcasm smilie graham4anything Jun 2013 #78

How do you know they're not? premium Jun 2013 #88

and Ralph Nader's SCOTUS shall decide. Isn't it ironic? graham4anything Jun 2013 #90

Not surprised you didn't answer my question. premium Jun 2013 #96

Yes, I did reply. They already know and it's all much ado about nothing graham4anything Jun 2013 #99

Are you loyal to politicians or to principles? There are only two choices here. arcane1 Jun 2013 #54

As someone who works for a prominent ne0-c0n think tank, I agree with your framing! Heck, grahamhgreen Jun 2013 #57

Why is this troll allowed to remain here? TacoD Jun 2013 #58

He is due beer and travel money. n/t QC Jun 2013 #81

B-I-N-G-O. Hell Hath No Fury Jun 2013 #140

I wish I knew. disgusting shit that he posts. cali Jun 2013 #86

Why are other trolls Bobbie Jo Jun 2013 #194

Fuck Rand Paul. HappyMe Jun 2013 #60

thanks for making this place entertaining G_j Jun 2013 #62

Tenacity is a virtue, graham. sibelian Jun 2013 #66

Only two choices? I think not. William769 Jun 2013 #67

omg a dilemma! Enrique Jun 2013 #69

I like cheese. :) Decoy of Fenris Jun 2013 #70

I note that so far, most DU'er's prefer "Pass" to both of the other options combined. snot Jun 2013 #83

I suspect the majority of us can recognize a transparent "excluded middle" fallacy easily enough. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2013 #85

More than 50% of voters don't vote in most elections. graham4anything Jun 2013 #87

the point would be that your poll is obnoxious and stupid. cali Jun 2013 #92

Indeed, and logically it makes perfect sense for a person not to stand with either choice. Nimajneb Nilknarf Jun 2013 #119

hee hee, I see what you did here. :) Whisp Jun 2013 #91

I wondered the same thing. Andy823 Jun 2013 #102

They are like tribbles lately! n/t Whisp Jun 2013 #109

While the OP claims there are 'only two choices' I see the poll itself has 3 choices Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #98

Keep it between the lines. I made TWO choices in my poll. I did not add a third. graham4anything Jun 2013 #101

And yet the Third choice is leading in your own poll, the vote rejects your binary Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #111

in almost all elections in USA, the majority of people don't vote. In L.A.-70% did not vote. graham4anything Jun 2013 #113

When you're known for word salad posts, logic is not included. hobbit709 Jun 2013 #103

Agreed, but counting to 3 is not exactly the realm of logic Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #112

In some primitive cultures, counting was one, two, many. hobbit709 Jun 2013 #114

My monkey hindbrain has difficulty dealing with these esoteric concepts. reusrename Jun 2013 #161

2 Answers... Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #104

"Be careful Admiral, it's a trap." (nt) SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #106

Admiral Ackbar says... Dr. Strange Jun 2013 #155

ROFLMFAO! reusrename Jun 2013 #157

Too funny ... SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #159

Funny stuff (nt) Captain Stern Jun 2013 #183

false dichotomy. I understand it"s a poll. but it does not conform to reality. geckosfeet Jun 2013 #107

fuck this place is chock full of stupid today. bobduca Jun 2013 #115

Darwin Awards will soon replace Nobel Prizes in our blossoming authoritarian idiocracy. Zorra Jun 2013 #121

graham4anything, your dry wit makes me laugh almost daily Nimajneb Nilknarf Jun 2013 #117

the other is put on every single poll I have been told. I only made 2 choices in my poll. graham4anything Jun 2013 #122

Wonderful deadpan reply. Nimajneb Nilknarf Jun 2013 #125

I just put an edit note in the original to add that the 3rd was added without my knowledge graham4anything Jun 2013 #127

If you proved anything Graham, it was the opposite of what you hoped. nt Demo_Chris Jun 2013 #120

FWIW: I find encouragement in Obama's statement in regards to having a healthy discussion think Jun 2013 #123

bunk kpete Jun 2013 #124

So, at least 7 people on a DEMOCRATIC site support Rand F'ing Paul over Obama, SMH. eom tarheelsunc Jun 2013 #126

This place is crawling with Bobbie Jo Jun 2013 #129

Your charge ignores the context. Jim Lane Jun 2013 #142

No. There are always additional choices beyond those our own minds may perceive. LanternWaste Jun 2013 #128

Another update on the disloyal. Savannahmann Jun 2013 #130

LOL! HappyMe Jun 2013 #132

So what "regime" to you bow down to? Andy823 Jun 2013 #168

So because I disapprove of unconstitutional actions. Savannahmann Jun 2013 #170

So let me see now Andy823 Jun 2013 #173

I was ticked off because you came late to the party, and then jumped in Savannahmann Jun 2013 #175

No I did not come late Andy823 Jun 2013 #182

Soon he will have enough names to forward to the White House. nt Union Scribe Jun 2013 #187

Lol! sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #206

Of all the idiotic posts you've ever posted, this is the most idiotic. Apophis Jun 2013 #131

I stand with the 4th Amendment, and against Big Brother (R) or (D). Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #134

DUzy ...for the most moronic poll to ever hit the html of DU. L0oniX Jun 2013 #135

Pass, this isn't a personality cult. Or it shouldn't be. Bradical79 Jun 2013 #136

You can stand w the Constitution, or you can stand w the conspiracy to turn it into a dead letter kenny blankenship Jun 2013 #137

My feelings... MattSh Jun 2013 #139

Such a huge "Pass" vote shows that the poll is absurd. Jim Lane Jun 2013 #143

When it comes to: bvar22 Jun 2013 #148

My answer: Lady Freedom Returns Jun 2013 #149

You've exceeded my lowest expectations with this post. bvar22 Jun 2013 #150

So what are the Rand people doing here? pnwmom Jun 2013 #154

Trolling Andy823 Jun 2013 #166

DUing a poll. n/t cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #174

And the winner is...... PASS! Electric Monk Jun 2013 #156

I don't think it's about that apples and oranges Jun 2013 #158

the "you are either with us or against us" oath is just a dumb as if GWarBush had proclaimed it. Agony Jun 2013 #160

Exactly !! lunasun Jun 2013 #181

If Rand Paul were to tell me that it's suppertime, I'm not going to go hungry to prove him wrong. nt lumberjack_jeff Jun 2013 #163

In what regard? Typically neither seems to be standing with me TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #164

Other: neither. LWolf Jun 2013 #167

LOL Skittles Jun 2013 #176

Only 2 real choices, unless you pass Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #177

Nonsensical Push poll usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #184

I stand with the American People. Not Obama, Rand or any individual. donheld Jun 2013 #185

I vote for that. avaistheone1 Jun 2013 #186

Except that there are never only two choices LeftishBrit Jun 2013 #188

This is a painfully stupid characterisation of the issue Spider Jerusalem Jun 2013 #189

no, that would be your poll, feel free to start your own. That is not my poll. nt. graham4anything Jun 2013 #190

Your poll is stupid. Spider Jerusalem Jun 2013 #191

No, my question is specific. Feel free to start your own poll. I voted in mine. nt. graham4anything Jun 2013 #192

Your question is specific in relation to the particular issue of NSA access to data. Spider Jerusalem Jun 2013 #193

no, my question is not specific to that smear. It is specific to the question that was asked. graham4anything Jun 2013 #196

"for comparison sake" pintobean Jun 2013 #197

No, the third choice is automatic. I only made two choices, and the third choice is on any poll. graham4anything Jun 2013 #198

I have been told pintobean Jun 2013 #199

I stand with whoever stands up against unreadierLizard Jun 2013 #195

OK, admin said, indeed the third choice was added by the computer itself, not me. graham4anything Jun 2013 #200

"I got straight a's in every single writing course." Bonobo Jun 2013 #201

This may help pintobean Jun 2013 #203

I stand with the 4th Amendment and the citizens it protects. liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #205