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JackHughes

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70. "Spying" versus "collating"

Fri Jun 14, 2013, 04:37 PM

Jun 2013

A couple of points worth considering:

It's not like the government is eavesdropping on everyone's private conversations. Incoming and outgoing calls are being logged to collate possible connections with terrorist organizations or foreign intelligence services. It should be noted that since the 1980s every overseas call to and from the US has been monitored by computers to flag keywords like "bomb" and "nuclear." This is nothing new.

The deprivation of 4th Amendment liberties has been much more widespread and "up close and personal" -- and with much more direct impact on people's lives and freedoms -- by local, state and federal cops in pursuit of the so-called "war on drugs."

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The Rude Pundit: Liberal NSA Apologists Can Take It All, Want More [View all] meegbear Jun 2013 OP

K&R Hell Hath No Fury Jun 2013 #1

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Whatever n2doc Jun 2013 #30

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doesn't work for me. I'm more of a socialist, so to me the current democratic policies are just liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #57

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... BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #36

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I agree, they're on both sides of the aisle ... Myrina Jun 2013 #17

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I think you'll note that LondonReign2 Jun 2013 #40

As opposed to being hooked on the "Ed" and "Glenn" stuff--even when it comes out that MADem Jun 2013 #27

Here is Glenn's response to you: Maedhros Jun 2013 #45

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They published that days before their sideways "clarification" MADem Jun 2013 #75

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He reported falsely. MADem Jun 2013 #119

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on the simplest psychological level, it's just that they made a choice and can't unmake it, no matte MisterP Jun 2013 #43

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Once was enough.... mimi85 Jun 2013 #66

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Rude Pundit Incerted ( no pun intended) a rude joke in an zeeland Jun 2013 #29

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Waiting for the feminist... one_voice Jun 2013 #41

I have to agree with you. The Rude Pundit isn't rude--he's a sexist asshole. MADem Jun 2013 #76

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That's a good question. MADem Jun 2013 #128

did you just repost the entire joke to complain about it? Doctor_J Jun 2013 #90

I guess timdog44 Jun 2013 #42

"And if we do not do surveillance and, like my examples I have given before, Romulus Quirinus Jun 2013 #50

I would agree with you on that. timdog44 Jun 2013 #51

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I think, timdog44 Jun 2013 #65

why? nt Romulus Quirinus Jun 2013 #68

It seem to me timdog44 Jun 2013 #72

True enough. Romulus Quirinus Jun 2013 #123

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That's sarcasm, yes? tkmorris Jun 2013 #53

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Well, he usually does it with homosexual imagery. Demit Jun 2013 #63

So he's a homophobe mimi85 Jun 2013 #69

No, I don't get that at all. Demit Jun 2013 #87

"Spying" versus "collating" JackHughes Jun 2013 #70

Who knows what they're doing? secondvariety Jun 2013 #77

Guessing there was a point to this. It might even have been a good one Live and Learn Jun 2013 #78

Reading naughty words must be soooo hard for you. n/t backscatter712 Jun 2013 #81

I don't consider myself a prude at all but Live and Learn Jun 2013 #83

K&R, especially since people are already acting offended! backscatter712 Jun 2013 #80

This just in---> Degrading women actually offends some of us. bunnies Jun 2013 #114

here at du all of the apologists are not the liberals. they are the Doctor_J Jun 2013 #89

Let's have the debate Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2013 #91

Say, how did he get that nick name? K&R (nt) Babel_17 Jun 2013 #92

K&R NealK Jun 2013 #93

Secrets need to have a sunset polynomial Jun 2013 #97

The Rude One knocks it out of the park again. 99Forever Jun 2013 #101

Thank you, my dear Rudeness tavalon Jun 2013 #102

Nasty sex-as-violence joke. Nine Jun 2013 #122

So sex jokes = holocaust jokes? RetroLounge Jun 2013 #126

That's not a sex joke. It's closer to a rape joke. Nine Jun 2013 #127

*you* can think what you like RetroLounge Jun 2013 #129