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tomp

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109. I disagree. but that's exactly what they want you to think.

Sat Jun 15, 2013, 07:26 AM

Jun 2013

the two work hand in hand to produce the ultimate outcome, and this is pervasive across all levels of govt including elections, and with complicit corporate media. the fundamental role of the democratic party is to LOOK LIKE the good guys. once you understand that, you know everything you need to know about american politics.

I strongly recommend chris hedges "death of the liberal class" for an eye opening historical perspective.

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Thanks to naivete I made an error in judgement in my early twenties [View all] Fumesucker Jun 2013 OP

I wouldn't dream of disregarding that advice Cirque du So-What Jun 2013 #1

When you have the spectacle of Chris Christie getting big money from 'democratic' fundraisers n2doc Jun 2013 #2

And Florida Democrats dissing real Democratic candidates csziggy Jun 2013 #102

all the moral sense of a rabid badger on meth. Mopar151 Jun 2013 #3

all the moral sense of a rabid badger on meth. 90-percent Jun 2013 #23

K&R. nt awoke_in_2003 Jun 2013 #4

k&r n/t RainDog Jun 2013 #5

K&R! Phlem Jun 2013 #6

Same age here---and I thought men would always see the attractiveness of long hair! The WinkyDink Jun 2013 #7

It works for some men Fumesucker Jun 2013 #47

He looks like he just swallowed a turd n/t Aerows Jun 2013 #71

I think the most important thing the, "Nothing to see here!" crowd is missing MsPithy Jun 2013 #8

Add to that Gitmo, kill lists and drones tblue Jun 2013 #22

The way everyone seems to be piling on Obama EC Jun 2013 #9

That was the goal of the media.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #13

Because both sides DO do it! tblue Jun 2013 #19

Here's the thing,...While Obama isn't that Liberal... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #36

Reminder of another factor: Supreme Court Appointments We People Jun 2013 #63

That's generational change you can believe in. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #65

is that not the case? frylock Jun 2013 #30

Hello? McCain/Palin or Romney/Ryan? Seriously? Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #34

This message was self-deleted by its author mother earth Jun 2013 #51

What people need to remember is it wasn't just BUSH... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #52

He could do something about that. tblue Jun 2013 #17

How is this about him? EC Jun 2013 #21

If you were POTUS, what would you do? tblue Jun 2013 #24

If I were POTUS EC Jun 2013 #28

We won't hfojvt Jun 2013 #35

What is DLC? xtraxritical Jun 2013 #54

Democratic Leadership Council (DINO's) AAO Jun 2013 #64

Thanks, I'll bing it up. xtraxritical Jun 2013 #100

Enough with the DLC shit. They folded their tent years ago. MADem Jun 2013 #79

DNC, would that be Democratic National Committee? xtraxritical Jun 2013 #101

Exactly. MADem Jun 2013 #105

Same people. Just because you don't receive their newsletter is irrelevant. AAO Jun 2013 #103

Who are you? And why do you think spreading misinformation is funny? MADem Jun 2013 #104

It's because I am informed that I say the things I do. AAO Jun 2013 #106

Nuff said, indeed--more than enough. MADem Jun 2013 #107

That's crazy talk. AAO Jun 2013 #108

+1 DCBob Jun 2013 #76

Now you know what the GOP was planning during their retreats Politicub Jun 2013 #85

And a generation is more than EC Jun 2013 #93

Well maybe if Obama would stop appointing Republicans and caving to them, then maybe we could have a RC Jun 2013 #86

Have you heard Thom Hartmann's proposition that Eisenhower was the Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #10

I'll have to google that. Oh wait. tblue Jun 2013 #20

Don't worry, I'm sure we're all in several databases already. Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #49

as po'd as I get at elected Democrats (including our current POTUS) this is why I control my outrage KittyWampus Jun 2013 #11

Back during Vietnam we thought America would never get sucked into another war... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #12

True that! marions ghost Jun 2013 #14

Mind bender WovenGems Jun 2013 #18

Hillary-Christie marions ghost Jun 2013 #37

Why would we want an anti-labor, anti-worker - pro-corporation ticket? Enthusiast Jun 2013 #75

Well said! riqster Jun 2013 #15

We're all screwed Gus Lammas Jun 2013 #16

*We know.* meti57b Jun 2013 #25

Don't like Bush, simple, don't elect Jeb/Rand and elect Hillary/Booker in 2016. graham4anything Jun 2013 #26

Does that mean you love Chris Christie, who is your governor, elected by you? Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #43

Memories are short. Public opinion goes as the wind blows. Propaganda works very well indeed. Nimajneb Nilknarf Jun 2013 #27

maybe by pouting and staying home in November, we will send a message corkhead Jun 2013 #29

did you stay home in 2010? frylock Jun 2013 #32

no, but frankly I feel different at this juncture. corkhead Jun 2013 #38

i feel the same as you do frylock Jun 2013 #42

I think there are many on both sides feeling that way. -nt CrispyQ Jun 2013 #56

Yep n/t Aerows Jun 2013 #70

I suspect some don't care because they believe there is no difference. Of course that is their still_one Jun 2013 #31

very nicely written hfojvt Jun 2013 #33

You're right Renew Deal Jun 2013 #39

Alright, then let's say Obama would somehow manage to scrap that sh*t. Amonester Jun 2013 #40

If you do not object when a Democrat does it you have no legitimacy when a Republican does it Fumesucker Jun 2013 #45

Well, that's a good point. Amonester Jun 2013 #46

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2013 #41

There was a photo of LBJ from the 60's in a book I was reading octoberlib Jun 2013 #44

The only way the Republican Party will truely end quakerboy Jun 2013 #48

I agree. The flip side of that, however, is that even if we succeeded now pnwmom Jun 2013 #50

+1 DCBob Jun 2013 #87

Refreshing to know someone else considers Republicans (and all right-wingers) to be as loathsome, indepat Jun 2013 #53

Truer words were never spoken. woofless Jun 2013 #55

2010 ErikJ Jun 2013 #57

My understanding is that it was the squishy middle that didn't turn out Fumesucker Jun 2013 #58

I also made that same mistake, Curmudgeoness Jun 2013 #59

I figured that would get people clicking on my OP Fumesucker Jun 2013 #60

................. Curmudgeoness Jun 2013 #61

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #62

K&R woo me with science Jun 2013 #66

Yeah, those bastards are like Freddie Krueger, Jason and Michael Myers. Rozlee Jun 2013 #67

Conclusion: We need to pressure Congress to change the laws, because merely changing struggle4progress Jun 2013 #68

Bravo! Vinnie From Indy Jun 2013 #69

You make me smile. MissMarple Jun 2013 #72

I don't think they are actively thinking. They are just in the cult of personally blindly following pam4water Jun 2013 #73

You dont have to participate here if you hate us...eom Kolesar Jun 2013 #81

And you should not if you can't think. pam4water Jun 2013 #98

obviously, bad actions from the govt.... tomp Jun 2013 #74

You are correct, however Republicans guarantee worse actions from the government Fumesucker Jun 2013 #78

I disagree. but that's exactly what they want you to think. tomp Jun 2013 #109

Im more worried about Democrats self-imploding over this issue.. DCBob Jun 2013 #77

You are projecting others' thoughts and are way off the mark Kolesar Jun 2013 #80

FISA courts are a limit quaker bill Jun 2013 #82

Rec. But is anyone here really that dum....errhh...*naive*. I hope not. n/t Smarmie Doofus Jun 2013 #83

Did you really think that? mgardener Jun 2013 #84

You are still naive if you think any future Republican administration.. DCBob Jun 2013 #88

I think you mistake my point Fumesucker Jun 2013 #94

Perhaps.. but my point is it wont really matter. DCBob Jun 2013 #96

The problem is deutsey Jun 2013 #89

That's why they are trying to dis Hillary any way they can. thecrow Jun 2013 #90

We must not get distracted by thinking the Democratic Party as good and the Republican Party rhett o rick Jun 2013 #91

My thinking isn't quite that linear Fumesucker Jun 2013 #95

Strongly agree... jimlup Jun 2013 #92

all the moral sense of a rabid badger on meth existentialist Jun 2013 #97

This statement is so freaking obvious.... Sheepshank Jun 2013 #99