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Divernan

(15,480 posts)
146. Amazing that you presume to grant civil liberties to corporations/banks!
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 12:18 AM
Jun 2013

Last edited Sun Jun 16, 2013, 01:17 AM - Edit history (1)

You just love the Citizens United decision, right? Because you conflate prosecuting Big Banking with giving only lip service to civil liberties. Some might find your position amazing - but then they are not familiar with your long-standing, knee-jerk defense of any scintilla of criticism of Obama or his administration. Here's the deal and it's a very big deal, so try to keep up:

THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION AND LAWS GRANT CIVIL LIBERTIES TO INDIVIDUALS, NOT CORPORATIONS.

Liberties of the United States are certain inalienable rights retained by (as opposed to privileges granted to) citizens of the United States under the Constitution of the United States, as interpreted and clarified by the Supreme Court of the United States and lower federal courts.

Civil liberties are simply defined as individual legal and constitutional protections from entities more powerful than an individual, for example, parts of the government, other individuals, or corporations. The liberties explicitly defined, make up the Bill of Rights, including freedom of speech, the right to bear arms, and the right to privacy. There are also many liberties of people not defined in the Constitution, as stated in the Ninth Amendment: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_liberties_in_the_United_States

And give an example where prosecution by the "U.S. government", i.e, Obama's Justice Department has or has not been a "slam dunk". I can think of problems the Justice Dept. has had with prosecuting medical marijuana growers, distributors and purchasers. Those pesky juries, state legislators and judges just won't get with Holder/Obama's program, will they? But let's talk about "too big to fail" interests - ya know - the ones with the lobbyists regularly bribing politicians with the big fat campaign contributions. What Holder was really thinking when he said "too big to fail" was "too big a contributor to the guy who appointed me to be prosecuted".

Of course, neither Holder nor Obama nor you can quote any section of any state or federal l law which excludes perpetrators on the grounds that they are "too big to fail" or recognizes a defense of "too big to fail".

Given the evidence detailed in the OP, and speaking as a retired government attorney and law professor, I say yes, prosecuting the Bank of America is a slam dunk.
People Seriously Need To See the Inside Of a Jail Cell Over This Stuff, Ma'am The Magistrate Jun 2013 #1
If anyone does, it'll just be low-level minions. The real crooks hobnob with Holder and Obama. MotherPetrie Jun 2013 #3
You Will Get No Argument From Me On That, Ma'am The Magistrate Jun 2013 #9
I would be happy if enough "little people" simply stop using the big banks. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2013 #12
I have a relative who works for a competitor and she's never seen anything like this. pnwmom Jun 2013 #19
The last time that a Democratic governor ordered Illinois govt agencies to stop doing business with AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #38
I switched to a local credit union bhikkhu Jun 2013 #59
I just ditched HSBC for a credit union, and it's MORE convenient. lindysalsagal Jun 2013 #61
Today, I went into BECU tavalon Jun 2013 #69
Thank you for that tid bit of news. SO glad banks are still losing customers. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2013 #82
I never mind waiting at my community bank.. and they recognize my voice when I call them SoCalDem Jun 2013 #133
We need another Bank Transfer Day, where folks switch from banks to credit unions. Zorra Jun 2013 #85
Please see my update to this post, here: dixiegrrrrl Jun 2013 #86
Awesome. Zorra Jun 2013 #94
What we need is a fucking uprising by tens of thousands of people.... Hotler Jun 2013 #98
Sign me up. I'll be there, no excuses. nt Zorra Jun 2013 #102
That will only happen if we all leave these banks. Find your local credit union. lindysalsagal Jun 2013 #118
I've been with a credit union for years. Hotler Jun 2013 #154
+1,000 Sir malaise Jun 2013 #26
How about The Wizard Jun 2013 #29
Nope not funny enough Half-Century Man Jun 2013 #37
Google Peterloo and you may change your mind. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #40
Sorry. Our government will decide that a fine of $3.30 will sufficiently penalize BofA. Kablooie Jun 2013 #49
It is the only way anything will change. russspeakeasy Jun 2013 #52
The way it can change (although not likely til things hit bottom) is to demand, Dustlawyer Jun 2013 #88
You should be a Magistrate. Enthusiast Jun 2013 #73
That would take leadership and we all know 4dsc Jun 2013 #95
So should have CIA torturers. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #130
True, Ma'am The Magistrate Jun 2013 #131
"Sir" Hissyspit Jun 2013 #137
I love you. Thanks for this! n/t Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #2
We KNEW it, didn't we? All along we kept saying this is what they were doing. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2013 #4
This is truly a bombshell. But how much do you want to bet it sinks into oblivion and no one is Squinch Jun 2013 #5
Millions of victims have a chance at suing the bank now. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2013 #8
I know. I'll do my part. I'm a little demoralized about the banks though. Squinch Jun 2013 #10
See this for how to do your part: dixiegrrrrl Jun 2013 #89
I'm getting a "broken link" screen on that. Would you re-link? Squinch Jun 2013 #96
Done. thanks for letting me know. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2013 #99
Glad you fixed that. Great post. Squinch Jun 2013 #101
Do they? Will this open things up again? I hope so. n/t pnwmom Jun 2013 #20
Dozens of lawsuits are going on across the country, at State level. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2013 #36
This is OUTRAGEOUS! Auntie Bush Jun 2013 #21
Friday news dump? Email Rachel Maddow and a few others Hekate Jun 2013 #50
The link in the OP is to a lawyer's page, not a news page. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2013 #83
Relax. Here's Eric Holder's plan to deal with this: MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #6
I'm confident that Holder will deal with the Wall Street/Banking Criminals bvar22 Jun 2013 #13
He'll do it just as soon as he puts Bush/Chaney/Rice/Rummy on trial as a war criminals. Auntie Bush Jun 2013 #27
After Pot as been eradicated, he will get out his special tape measure to Dragonfli Jun 2013 #66
k&r n/t RainDog Jun 2013 #7
So where is donnasgirl Jun 2013 #11
Because Holder publicly stated the banks were too big to jail. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2013 #14
this is a good area for the CPA to step in bigtree Jun 2013 #23
Holder could act today if he gave a flying fuck at a rolling doughnut about anything Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #80
funny bigtree Jun 2013 #123
Amazing that you presume to grant civil liberties to corporations/banks! Divernan Jun 2013 #146
funny how you represent the individuals accused or culpable as corporations bigtree Jun 2013 #150
Employees are AGENTS of a corporation; the law prosecutes the corporations Divernan Jun 2013 #151
but, we're talking about CEOs bigtree Jun 2013 #153
Liquidate the fuckers. SwankyXomb Jun 2013 #15
Nah, just nationalize them under workers' control...... socialist_n_TN Jun 2013 #22
Maybe Daryl Issa will hold hearings and call for a complete investigation. Mr.Bill Jun 2013 #16
Huge story bigtree Jun 2013 #17
Many of our DU friends lost their homes over the past few years. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2013 #31
"You must miss payments to qualify for loan adjustments." This was said across the country. Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #44
There is no due process of law until people retrieve their homes or malaise Jun 2013 #132
Typical - you put the burden on individual homeowners, not Obama's Justice Department. Divernan Jun 2013 #147
Meetings with 60 or so employees who were told to commit crimes Progressive dog Jun 2013 #18
***MORE CASE DOCUMENTS HERE*** pnwmom Jun 2013 #24
Anyone who has lost home to BOA because of HAMP, should check out your link. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2013 #32
That's why I made the all caps. pnwmom Jun 2013 #33
Corrupt from the top to the bottom. reformist2 Jun 2013 #25
BofA needs to be put out of business and Ilsa Jun 2013 #28
Seize thaer assets (NT) The Wizard Jun 2013 #30
another perfect reason to let them nineteen50 Jun 2013 #34
Wells Fargo practiced Control-Z Jun 2013 #35
So did Chase. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2013 #41
I don't believe the president Control-Z Jun 2013 #57
We bail them out. They fuck us in the ass. Skeeter Barnes Jun 2013 #39
Somebody's going to need a little emergy retroactive legislation! Marr Jun 2013 #42
I sense a firm slap on the wrist coming. marmar Jun 2013 #43
This deserves more than a slap on the wrist... dixiegrrrrl Jun 2013 #56
A stern glare may be too much. How about a dirty look? mbperrin Jun 2013 #63
A strongly-worded letter to someone's mother, perhaps? lindysalsagal Jun 2013 #117
Has anyone looked back to see if BofA did a purge? Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #45
It's Bankghazi! Full media outrage starting in 3, 2, 1... hay rick Jun 2013 #46
Kick for exposure. glinda Jun 2013 #47
Does anyone else notice that the "Obama Club" doesnt show up for these types of threads? nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #48
You might refer to me Control-Z Jun 2013 #58
Probably trying to find the facts first treestar Jun 2013 #92
Oh plez. This post isnt about outrage and isnt critical of the president. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #93
You were the one who brought up members of the Obama club treestar Jun 2013 #109
I wasnt implying anything. Just an observation. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #111
I noticed. I think they only go into action when the polls show that an issue might hurt him. ;) reformist2 Jun 2013 #100
Or to deflect & distract from criticisms of his BFF Holder. Divernan Jun 2013 #152
Ahhh, this makes me extremely angry. ellie Jun 2013 #51
K&R ReRe Jun 2013 #53
I'm sure Senator Warren is pissed too. Left Coast2020 Jun 2013 #54
It just never ends. I'd like to see thousands LuckyLib Jun 2013 #55
that's just it... Volaris Jun 2013 #62
I don't believe consumer deposits are that critical to them at this point. TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #143
My friend was one of the people lied to about her loan modification request, not by BOA, by Wells sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #60
"Now when will the prosecutions begin?" CrispyQ Jun 2013 #122
This was all exposed by many, including ProPublica ZRT2209 Jun 2013 #64
fucking bastard banks ZRT2209 Jun 2013 #65
the affidavit, however, moves the bank's behavior dixiegrrrrl Jun 2013 #91
Outright fraud suffragette Jun 2013 #115
K&R. nt OnyxCollie Jun 2013 #67
I'm speechless ... defacto7 Jun 2013 #68
K&R Sherman A1 Jun 2013 #70
Savvy. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #71
I'm sure this doesn't constitute actual law breaking. Enthusiast Jun 2013 #72
what a surprise. nt tomp Jun 2013 #74
J A I L !!!!! liberalla Jun 2013 #75
Quick! Look over there! KansDem Jun 2013 #76
This is exactly what CitiMortgage did to me PatSeg Jun 2013 #77
They must have been on the same page. mzmolly Jun 2013 #105
Its obvious now PatSeg Jun 2013 #106
It's criminal. I posted some HAMP advice in Oct of 2010 on DU. mzmolly Jun 2013 #156
Interesting PatSeg Jun 2013 #157
I'm so very sorry. mzmolly Jun 2013 #159
I was fortunate PatSeg Jun 2013 #160
Banks SamKnause Jun 2013 #78
Indeed. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2013 #135
Banks 2 SamKnause Jun 2013 #79
This is par for the course; we are in year THREE of battling with Wells Fargo. VPStoltz Jun 2013 #81
Fits with a lot of what I saw and heard. n/t DirkGently Jun 2013 #84
Kick Rec Teamster Jeff Jun 2013 #87
These rat bastards need to pay! lonestarnot Jun 2013 #90
Eating the little people alive. toby jo Jun 2013 #97
Too big to prosecute mick063 Jun 2013 #103
That's exactly what happened to us with US Bank. They kept losing our docs. mzmolly Jun 2013 #104
I'll bet you a million dollars they didn't lose s#@t. They threw them away. They don't okaawhatever Jun 2013 #112
I agree. I worked in banking for years. mzmolly Jun 2013 #155
We seem to live in a lawless society - it's more of a plantation closeupready Jun 2013 #107
And another thing.... Z_California Jun 2013 #108
A fun moment wtmusic Jun 2013 #110
I bet that felt GOOD!!!! dixiegrrrrl Jun 2013 #120
This is my favorite Dead Horse. GiveMeFreedom Jun 2013 #113
I am SO sorry. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2013 #121
This message was self-deleted by its author GiveMeFreedom Jun 2013 #148
Very very bad. dkf Jun 2013 #114
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #116
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #119
"We" didn't bail them out. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2013 #125
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #126
Whaddup, Shock Doc? Blue Owl Jun 2013 #124
And Where Is Obama And His Justice Department Over This Continuing Scandal? cantbeserious Jun 2013 #127
Take big-donor money out of campaigns to keep the corporate-sponsored candidates out of office. pacalo Jun 2013 #128
Hey Pacalo... dixiegrrrrl Jun 2013 #134
Sherrod Brown is working on it -- pacalo Jun 2013 #136
Like my name says... Corruption Inc Jun 2013 #129
Very interesting. What is Mr. Holder doing today? Jack Rabbit Jun 2013 #138
They did this to a friend of mine... Phentex Jun 2013 #139
However, the Obama/Holder/Geithner Administration let us know some time ago truedelphi Jun 2013 #140
Hi, Eric Holder here...need me for anything? No?...ok.... Safetykitten Jun 2013 #141
Many of us think Holder should go.....but mick063 Jun 2013 #149
Ths would be a good one to share on facebook. Quantess Jun 2013 #142
PBS Frontline documentary lhooq Jun 2013 #144
I sure had mixed feelings when I decided to post this. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2013 #145
Bank of America Paid Bonuses to Foreclose PatSeg Jun 2013 #158
Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #161
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