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Still ad hominem. Deep13 Jun 2013 #1
And it hasn't been demonstrated that Snowden *IS* telling the truth. baldguy Jun 2013 #9
who cares? Isn't the important thing the subject itself: cali Jun 2013 #17
+1 freedom fighter jh Jun 2013 #27
And I think Sieiffer recognizes timdog44 Jun 2013 #166
As Sabrina 1 stated in a very lengthy thread a couple days ago: HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #37
Who cares about the facts? baldguy Jun 2013 #39
Strawman. blackspade Jun 2013 #133
And equating Obama with Big Brother or the Stasi is....? baldguy Jun 2013 #183
And I did that where? blackspade Jun 2013 #247
No strawman. The NSA gets approval to listen in on people's emails and phone calls. bluestate10 Jun 2013 #193
So you say. blackspade Jun 2013 #249
Who cares if Snowden's information is true? WTF? KittyWampus Jun 2013 #59
It is important. kentuck Jun 2013 #79
+ infinity. Apophis Jun 2013 #81
I don't give a rip about any of the personalities involved. truebluegreen Jun 2013 #122
How about the COST? Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #152
There is no surveillance without enough proof to get approval to survey. bluestate10 Jun 2013 #186
Really? Who in government said the docs were fake? DirkGently Jun 2013 #41
A phrase was grossly misinterpreted. And if you haven't heard that but HAVE heard they were fake KittyWampus Jun 2013 #61
No. It's been alleged a phrase didn't mean what it said. DirkGently Jun 2013 #63
You mean the phrase printed verbatim on the NSA DirkGently Jun 2013 #74
The focus on the girlfriend is quite telling Chathamization Jun 2013 #72
An exercise routine with a large male audience. Eddie Haskell Jun 2013 #151
In India most of the performers are male Chathamization Jun 2013 #164
You missed the thread about the NSA's admission of listening to phone calls? WinkyDink Jun 2013 #125
Not without a warrant they didn't. baldguy Jun 2013 #253
You mean Bob Schieffer, George W. Bush's golfing buddy? Fuddnik Jun 2013 #38
Wow liberalmike27 Jun 2013 #44
That's kind of the point. Deep13 Jun 2013 #173
Drawing an accurate and relevant distinction is not an ad hominem attack. LanternWaste Jun 2013 #261
No, not an attack... Deep13 Jun 2013 #262
Einstein failed his entrance exams, ducked the draft, and fled his country. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #2
Why exactly is the guy being compared to MLK and Rosa Parks? ProSense Jun 2013 #8
Why does it bother you? I can see the connection. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #14
The OP still made no mention of Einstein. n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #18
So? Scheiffer apparently thinks it a defect that Snowden fled the country. So, did Einstein. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #28
Yes, I get your drift but Einstein fled Nazi Germany. Are you implying we're on our way there too? xtraxritical Jun 2013 #140
what utter bullshit to compare Snowden with MLK and Parks. Whisp Jun 2013 #53
When did Snowden compare himself to Parks or King? Schlieffer did the comparing. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #82
did I say Snowden did the comparing? Whisp Jun 2013 #84
Idiots like Schlieffer? How about Ellsberg? Gore? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #90
No, Idiots like Chris Hayes.. at least try to keep up. Cha Jun 2013 #132
Chris is too young to have his own program on MSNBC. Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #219
From the outset there have been DUers who compared Snowden to Rosa Parks and MLK Hekate Jun 2013 #210
Off topic, but funny, I saw Chris Hayes starring in an old movie called "Slackers" on YouTube. xtraxritical Jun 2013 #143
Most of them are actors there at MSNBC. Whisp Jun 2013 #148
But, but, but...they're a different color and therefore must be diminished... Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #220
Well to be fair, Snowden is an 'IT genius' according to his friend on Lawrence O'Donnell. randome Jun 2013 #15
I think they are trying to make the point that people without education can be brilliant treestar Jun 2013 #20
Yep. Wait Wut Jun 2013 #56
I agree totally treestar Jun 2013 #116
There has been a lot of study on education and conformity, particularly level of education. reusrename Jun 2013 #168
I HAVE seen him compared to Muhammad Ali here at DU VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #31
Exactly liberalmike27 Jun 2013 #45
This message was self-deleted by its author Apophis Jun 2013 #85
It's not that difficult to understand Bradical79 Jun 2013 #257
And Thank God Einstein did, otherwise history might have ended HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #49
Einstein was never a 'hero'. Wait Wut Jun 2013 #50
agree with your comments hopemountain Jun 2013 #145
Many people have called Einstein a hero for his accomplishments. So you don't know that. So what? AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #182
Okay, you can call Einstein a hero. Wait Wut Jun 2013 #259
Actually, I can do whatever I want. And I do. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #263
Alrighty then. Wait Wut Jun 2013 #264
How disgusting of you. Einstein fled nazism. I can't believe anyone would compare bluestate10 Jun 2013 #194
So, Snowden gave up everything to call attention to government spying and you call it Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #202
The Nazis could only DREAM of the level of government spying this is about. Leopolds Ghost Jun 2013 #216
OH yeah. Zoeisright Jun 2013 #251
Didn't keep MLK from being bugged by the government Fumesucker Jun 2013 #3
Well liberalmike27 Jun 2013 #46
I don't think King or Parks ever broke a law that could lead to life in prison CanonRay Jun 2013 #4
True that's a big difference treestar Jun 2013 #19
Snowden could get treated and tried depending on governments mood Babel_17 Jun 2013 #80
They won't charge him with Treason as he's not guilty of that treestar Jun 2013 #114
They could treat him as an enemy combatant Babel_17 Jun 2013 #130
How would he qualify as enemy combatant? treestar Jun 2013 #174
My bad, the administration did retire the term Babel_17 Jun 2013 #191
The enemy he's giving Aid and Comfort to SwankyXomb Jun 2013 #150
Huh? treestar Jun 2013 #175
The American people SwankyXomb Jun 2013 #187
That is silly treestar Jun 2013 #195
I thoroughly and profoundly disagree with Schieffer's smear tactics and despise the HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #55
MLK and Rosa Parks did a lot of things that were likely to get them killed... Hippo_Tron Jun 2013 #135
and of course in the case of MLK he did get killed JI7 Jun 2013 #190
Eventually yes he was, but the circumstances of his actual assassination... Hippo_Tron Jun 2013 #200
A black person that broke ANY law that upheld the notion of white supremacy was subject Number23 Jun 2013 #208
This ^^^^^ treestar Jun 2013 #227
I think Chris Hayes did that last week warrior1 Jun 2013 #5
MLK would have approved of what Snowden did, if MLK's anti-war HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #60
Now you speak for MLK? warrior1 Jun 2013 #98
On the contrary, the OP reports that Schieffer has HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #159
so you don't think MLK would warrior1 Jun 2013 #163
Unclear. MLK, Jr. eventually broke with LBJ over Vietnam, even though HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #165
MLK supported the poor and other people who needed his help. Are_grits_groceries Jun 2013 #172
MLK would have stood up for this country treestar Jun 2013 #228
MLK worked on the premise that only love could conquer hate (to quote a line HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #237
Apples and oranges. hobbit709 Jun 2013 #6
It seems a lot of people are trying to make this story about the leaker and not the spying. nt Incitatus Jun 2013 #7
Yep. Becoming more and more obvious to all. n/t Junkdrawer Jun 2013 #24
The story isn't about spying. Your ilk is desperately trying to make it so. bluestate10 Jun 2013 #199
"your ilk" = the non-naive Skittles Jun 2013 #245
Pay no attention to... 99Forever Jun 2013 #10
Exactly. Had he stayed here, it would be a different thing. treestar Jun 2013 #11
It sure would have been a different thing. zeemike Jun 2013 #120
This would be worse than what they did to Manning. reusrename Jun 2013 #171
Like the Julian accusations, this is baloney treestar Jun 2013 #177
What baloney treestar Jun 2013 #176
He says he's not done yet. reusrename Jun 2013 #178
Maybe, but then he should face the music treestar Jun 2013 #196
You don't have to be in the military to be sent to a federal prison. zeemike Jun 2013 #181
But your due process rights are much more extensive treestar Jun 2013 #198
Believe me they can step all over those rights zeemike Jun 2013 #206
The government needs ProSense's permission to do anything. Leopolds Ghost Jun 2013 #211
Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #12
I'm still ProSense Jun 2013 #16
sure, you're laughing. who do you think you're fooling? cali Jun 2013 #23
No, ProSense Jun 2013 #30
I agree. ForgoTheConsequence Jun 2013 #241
I also agree. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #265
Trying every trick possible to depress Democratic turnout Fumesucker Jun 2013 #21
. ProSense Jun 2013 #33
You are the one who literally is saying that facts don't matter. Unless they support your bias. KittyWampus Jun 2013 #65
For my money Josephine Baker and Paul Robeson were both heroes. Downwinder Jun 2013 #13
There is NO comparison. CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #22
The Character Assassination Continues - Focus On The Oligarchs - Not The Whistle Blowers cantbeserious Jun 2013 #25
Where is the proof that he has any evidence at all of his claims VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #34
The Proof Is Found With Greenwald - The Man To Which He Gave The Documents cantbeserious Jun 2013 #36
and who has also not produced said documents... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #62
Your Disgust - My Cheers That Greenwald Has Them - We Will Have To Agree To Disagree cantbeserious Jun 2013 #64
Then why no outcry that Greenwald present his "facts" VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #67
Greenwald Is A Journalist For Which I Have Higher Respect Than The US Government Or Obama cantbeserious Jun 2013 #70
He has to do something to get my respect....where are the documents Greenwald? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #73
My My - You Are Quite Angry - Is That Because You Now Realize That You Have Been Lied To cantbeserious Jun 2013 #83
No I don't "now realize" VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #91
If You Want Confirmation That The Story Is Probably True Then Watch Nadler - Official Story Mismatch cantbeserious Jun 2013 #94
So anyone who makes this claim is a hero...just for making a claim VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #95
Ad Hominen Attack - Against The DU TOS cantbeserious Jun 2013 #97
Oh good grief.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #99
Ad Hominen Attack - Against The DU TOS VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #102
Your Character Or Person Was Never Attacked - So Does Not Apply cantbeserious Jun 2013 #106
that's your opinion... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #108
Once Again An Assumption That I Am Not A Patriot - Patriotism Is Not A One Size Fits All Proposition cantbeserious Jun 2013 #111
No I didn't imply that did I VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #119
Greenwald is a journalist mimi85 Jun 2013 #223
Undefined Term - Firebagger? - What Are You Talking About? cantbeserious Jun 2013 #232
That's a broad brush treestar Jun 2013 #231
Yes - Politicians Are Suspect By Definition - Corporations Expect Favors For Their Contributions cantbeserious Jun 2013 #233
journalists have to get published, maybe they cater to the big publishers treestar Jun 2013 #236
Expected And Predictable Reply - Truly Terrible Commentary On Modern Society cantbeserious Jun 2013 #250
Yup. Big Media has again joined the right wing chorus. Doctor_J Jun 2013 #26
I think we all know why MNBrewer Jun 2013 #29
He also rolls through yellow lights! DirkGently Jun 2013 #43
Breaking the law is a sign of impending anarchy!!! dairydog91 Jun 2013 #47
He is rumored to be a Whig! DirkGently Jun 2013 #87
Well, since Schieffer is a Know-Nothing, it all makes sense. (Sorry, just HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #104
Wow. Nicely done! DirkGently Jun 2013 #110
Thank you. That's what has been running through my brain... Wait Wut Jun 2013 #32
As far as I can remember about the MLK and Rosa Parks days they snappyturtle Jun 2013 #127
MLK, a black man protesting in the 1960s treestar Jun 2013 #234
Hey Bob! The NSA listened to your calls and read your emails. But HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #35
Your claim doesn't fit facts. The NSA doesn't listen to random conversations. bluestate10 Jun 2013 #203
My 'sensationalism'? I was engaging in a standard rhetorical device known as hyperbole, never HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #230
WTF? Iliyah Jun 2013 #40
should read "old establishment reporters career frustrated by HS drop out w/ a $2.00 walmart thumb galileoreloaded Jun 2013 #42
Hah! I had failed to see the possibility of journalistic envy in all this. Schieffer HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #68
LOL right on bahrbearian Jun 2013 #180
Ed Schultz made the same point concerning Snowden today. bluestate10 Jun 2013 #204
Schieffer Invokes Strawman Because That's Easier Than Journalism. Orsino Jun 2013 #48
Nonsense usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #51
Agreed, the hero thing is over the top. ucrdem Jun 2013 #52
As a reporter........... raindaddy Jun 2013 #54
Wish there were a way to rec replies - nt HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #118
I quit reading after Scheifer called himself a reporter Vinnie From Indy Jun 2013 #57
Thanks. Completely agree. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #93
Very good point! Vietnameravet Jun 2013 #58
Not a right, a responsibility. Scuba Jun 2013 #71
I guess we've already forgotten about Manning's captivity Babel_17 Jun 2013 #66
Scheiffer must never have heard about what happened to MLK. Scuba Jun 2013 #69
Had it been a conspiracy,quite possible today's security could have prevented it graham4anything Jun 2013 #105
Rosa and Martin were heroes in a different way. kentuck Jun 2013 #75
What did those two leak? adric mutelovic Jun 2013 #76
Schieffer Destroys Snowden: ‘I Don’t Remember Martin Luther King Jr. Or Rosa Parks Hiding In China’ The CCC Jun 2013 #77
I don't remember them being tortured in a military prison, either. JackRiddler Jun 2013 #78
Yeah because the government was hiding disparate treatment of black people. Lol. dkf Jun 2013 #86
You're pathetic. Apophis Jun 2013 #88
and after Snowden is ripped asunder atom by atom the dragnet surveillance (or worse) pink elephant TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #89
Pink elephant? Leopolds Ghost Jun 2013 #215
I remember both of the being put in jail. rug Jun 2013 #92
so, Schieffer's a reporter? bigtree Jun 2013 #96
I do remember them jailing Rosa Parks and killing MLK The Second Stone Jun 2013 #100
President Johnson worked WITH Dr. King. Together in unison. graham4anything Jun 2013 #109
Agreed, but keep in mind King would often goad LBJ Leopolds Ghost Jun 2013 #218
Agreed. Maybe Obama will work with Snowden to stop the spying on america program Doctor_J Jun 2013 #269
Dr. King was proud of his name, proud of his cause, and fought against masks, he didn't wear one. nt graham4anything Jun 2013 #101
Oh, my head hurts now. That is one really dumb illogical argument. Zorra Jun 2013 #103
So! THIS week, anyway, Schieffer is off the shit list, LOL. MotherPetrie Jun 2013 #107
Lol. Union Scribe Jun 2013 #112
The level of discussion is going downhill fast. Quantess Jun 2013 #113
Have to call bullshit on Schieffer and the post. Very Rovian. 20score Jun 2013 #115
Argumentum ad hominum, pure and simple. caseymoz Jun 2013 #117
Sure, Snowden should have stayed in this country and... TxGrandpa Jun 2013 #121
Manning was incommunicado now? sweetloukillbot Jun 2013 #184
You probably need to look up the meaning of "incommunicado". Just sayin'...... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #238
Both posts noted.... TxGrandpa Jun 2013 #268
MLK and Rosa Parks didn't face life in prison. East Coast Pirate Jun 2013 #123
WTH CARES what Bob "My Brother Was an Ambassador For Dubya" Schieffer says???? WinkyDink Jun 2013 #124
SCHIEFFER? ROFL. forestpath Jun 2013 #126
I agree, I don't see him and the other leakers of classified information as heroes. Beacool Jun 2013 #128
Snowden probably wouldn't want to be compared to those two, anyway, Jamaal510 Jun 2013 #129
Why is this relevant to the fact that the NSA has been spying without warrants? blackspade Jun 2013 #131
Who gives a shit? Downtown Hound Jun 2013 #134
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #136
Edward Snowden is not Rosa Parks or Dr. King . . . TomClash Jun 2013 #137
What the hell is ProSense Jun 2013 #141
You are attacking the messenger TomClash Jun 2013 #156
Well, ProSense Jun 2013 #158
I don't know and don't care TomClash Jun 2013 #192
Not true. Some on DU made that comparison last week to defend Snowden. nt bluestate10 Jun 2013 #221
Reading is fundamental TomClash Jun 2013 #243
Nope. The idiot, Chris Hayes, was the first. Snowden is no MLK. nt Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #239
Maybe he is all too aware of the risks of whistle blowing. tblue37 Jun 2013 #138
at least he's not some creepy compulsive-prevaricator keyboard commando MisterP Jun 2013 #139
Bob the TV personality says... pangaia Jun 2013 #142
"Why exactly is the guy being compared to MLK and Rosa Parks?" Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #144
I don't remember Martin Luther King Jr. or Rosa Parks being at risk of being executed for treason. DRoseDARs Jun 2013 #146
No they weren't at risk of being executed for treason. They could only have been executed at bluestate10 Jun 2013 #222
And you won't be executed for treason either. You could be executed by a junkie looking for a fix! DRoseDARs Jun 2013 #240
Avoid false alternatives Eddie Haskell Jun 2013 #147
"Letter from a Hong Kong hotel suite" Cha Jun 2013 #149
Yeah they're not facing the death penalty either Fearless Jun 2013 #153
and we all know what happened to Dr. King. nt NorthCarolina Jun 2013 #154
This message was self-deleted by its author mother earth Jun 2013 #155
Snowden like MLK and Rosa Parks? Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #157
That was Schieffer's interpretation burnodo Jun 2013 #162
Several people on DU made that claim last week. Schieffer was responding to such bluestate10 Jun 2013 #224
I disagree with that burnodo Jun 2013 #226
It is a bad analogy. Daniel Ellsberg would have been an appropriate one /nt still_one Jun 2013 #160
If Snowden had stayed in the US he would be smeared by exactly the same people smearing him now. dgauss Jun 2013 #161
Coward Scheifer would be calling MLK 'Uppity', if the president didnt like MLK markiv Jun 2013 #167
This comment makes no sense. n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #169
yes, it does nt markiv Jun 2013 #170
No it doesn't. nt bluestate10 Jun 2013 #225
yes, it does nt markiv Jun 2013 #244
The anti-Dems have hopped on the short bus...... DainBramaged Jun 2013 #256
Lol G_j Jun 2013 #179
And some right here on DU have compared the loser Snowden to bluestate10 Jun 2013 #185
Vapid on an epic scale... And the word "narcissistic" again. Bonobo Jun 2013 #188
DU rec...nt SidDithers Jun 2013 #189
Why does this hack still have a job? Why hasn't he been retired? nt DearHeart Jun 2013 #197
He appeals to the elderly nobodies who watch his show expecting the 1980's to appear. MichiganVote Jun 2013 #205
if read posts on here dlwickham Jun 2013 #201
Martin Luther King and Rosa Parks were left wing. MLK was a christian communist. Your move ProSense Leopolds Ghost Jun 2013 #207
What a bizarre post. ProSense Jun 2013 #209
I assume you mean your OP? I agree. n-t Logical Jun 2013 #213
To quote Monty Python... Leopolds Ghost Jun 2013 #214
Are you insane? nt treestar Jun 2013 #229
Nonsense..... Logical Jun 2013 #212
Re: MLK -- wouldn't the Berrigan Brothers be a better analogy? Plowshares movement. Leopolds Ghost Jun 2013 #217
And how did that turn out for MLK? (nt) The Straight Story Jun 2013 #235
I think one of the differences between today's whistle blowers and those before is that today we jwirr Jun 2013 #242
I appreciate the point you are tomg Jun 2013 #254
Thank you for this answer. I have respected the COs in our past and would hope that we still have jwirr Jun 2013 #267
"They" shot MLK down in cold blood. bvar22 Jun 2013 #246
Say, how did MLK end up again? Marr Jun 2013 #248
As opposed to a narcissistic old man. The story is the not tsuki Jun 2013 #252
That's a pretty weak arguement Bradical79 Jun 2013 #255
Schieffer whoring for TPTB as usual... truebrit71 Jun 2013 #258
K & R Scurrilous Jun 2013 #260
Rosa Parks planned for months to make a media spectacle Report1212 Jun 2013 #266
This is a bullshit argument. craigmatic Jun 2013 #270
ask John Lewis Enrique Aug 2013 #271
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