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In reply to the discussion: New Concealed Carry poll [View all]BainsBane
(53,031 posts)11. What he thinks about concealed carry
Last edited Mon Jun 17, 2013, 10:02 PM - Edit history (1)
Here is some info from Mother Jones.
Myth #3: An armed society is a polite society.
Fact-check: Drivers who carry guns are 44% more likely than unarmed drivers to make obscene gestures at other motorists, and 77% more likely to follow them aggressively.
Among Texans convicted of serious crimes, those with concealed-handgun licenses were sentenced for threatening someone with a firearm 4.8 times more than those without.
In states with Stand Your Ground and other laws making it easier to shoot in self-defense, those policies have been linked to a 7 to 10% increase in homicides.
Myth #6: Carrying a gun for self-defense makes you safer.
Fact-check: In 2011, nearly 10 times more people were shot and killed in arguments than by civilians trying to stop a crime.
In one survey, nearly 1% of Americans reported using guns to defend themselves or their property. However, a closer look at their claims found that more than 50% involved using guns in an aggressive manner, such as escalating an argument.
A Philadelphia study found that the odds of an assault victim being shot were 4.5 times greater if he carried a gun. His odds of being killed were 4.2 times greater.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/01/pro-gun-myths-fact-check
Fact-check: Drivers who carry guns are 44% more likely than unarmed drivers to make obscene gestures at other motorists, and 77% more likely to follow them aggressively.
Among Texans convicted of serious crimes, those with concealed-handgun licenses were sentenced for threatening someone with a firearm 4.8 times more than those without.
In states with Stand Your Ground and other laws making it easier to shoot in self-defense, those policies have been linked to a 7 to 10% increase in homicides.
Myth #6: Carrying a gun for self-defense makes you safer.
Fact-check: In 2011, nearly 10 times more people were shot and killed in arguments than by civilians trying to stop a crime.
In one survey, nearly 1% of Americans reported using guns to defend themselves or their property. However, a closer look at their claims found that more than 50% involved using guns in an aggressive manner, such as escalating an argument.
A Philadelphia study found that the odds of an assault victim being shot were 4.5 times greater if he carried a gun. His odds of being killed were 4.2 times greater.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/01/pro-gun-myths-fact-check
I am sure that virtually every DUer outside of AZ is grateful that they are not subject to the bigoted insanity that characterizes government and far too much of law in your state. FL is grateful that AZ exists because then at least one place is wackier.
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Except that in Texas it's okay to use that concealed gun to shoot a purse snatcher in the back nt
geek tragedy
Jun 2013
#80
question. why ask this question at all? is there some new fear about individuals and CC?
galileoreloaded
Jun 2013
#8
In the end, there are more of us here who are against this plague of guns than for them
DainBramaged
Jun 2013
#14
The old "dodge and shoot" technique recommended in gungeon back before gun nuts started going, well,
Hoyt
Jun 2013
#36
not if they look anything like the guy in the blue shirt in response #233 by BainsBane!
CTyankee
Jun 2013
#249
You should have written it down clearer -- didn't say I "could" do that, I said I "did it"
Hoyt
Jun 2013
#81
Do you believe that someone who is willing to commit homicide will be deterred...
Pelican
Jun 2013
#63
Stand your ground has been evoked by white men who have killed people of color
BainsBane
Jun 2013
#194
Most gun control comes from the desire of the ruling white elites to not have armed black folk
ceonupe
Jun 2013
#160
"...Presumably the gunners would conceal their guns to go into neighborhoods like mine
Jenoch
Jun 2013
#152
I'm less concerned with the overtly bad than with the morally misguided who believe they are good.
Nimajneb Nilknarf
Jun 2013
#64
To call that claim hyperbolic would be such an understatement, I don't have an adjective for it.
Nimajneb Nilknarf
Jun 2013
#71
When someone threatens my life, it doesn't matter how much is in my wallet.
GreenStormCloud
Jun 2013
#99
Why does Houston (w/'shall-issue' CCW) have 1/2 the murder rate of 'no-issue' Chicago?
friendly_iconoclast
Jun 2013
#107
That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
GreenStormCloud
Jun 2013
#101
LOL, only you and your imagination could hand-wave the facts away so creatively. *snort*
X_Digger
Jun 2013
#112
So in your fevered imagination, it's CHL holders in TX crossing the MX border to kill women?!? LOL!!
X_Digger
Jun 2013
#122
I'm laughing at your fevered imagination- that CHL holders kill undocumented women in the US..
X_Digger
Jun 2013
#129
The Chicago homicide rate for 2013 is significantly down at 34% at the end of May.
tammywammy
Jun 2013
#218
Well, good for them- their murder rate is now only about 1.5x that of Houston's.
friendly_iconoclast
Jun 2013
#240
It's possible- after all, the murder rate in St. Paul fell after 'shall-issue' went into effect.
friendly_iconoclast
Jun 2013
#260
Possibly their extremely high suicide rate, i.e., they're taking it out on themselves
friendly_iconoclast
Jun 2013
#257
LOL, you people always tend to add the suicide numbers in. To be misleading I assume. n-t
Logical
Jun 2013
#147
"I have seen no evidence provided by anyone." Here you are-the FBI's Uniform Crime Reports:
friendly_iconoclast
Jun 2013
#223
I did not. I demonstrated that your assertions that "CCW increases homicide" is wrong.
friendly_iconoclast
Jun 2013
#239
'Shall-issue' passed in Minnesota, and the murder rate did not increase.
friendly_iconoclast
Jun 2013
#259
You mean you did not have evidence at hand when you made your original claim?
friendly_iconoclast
Jun 2013
#261
You needn't bother- I've already done it, and provided links to same
friendly_iconoclast
Jun 2013
#282
You can stop pretending to look for that non-existant evidence now.
friendly_iconoclast
Jun 2013
#279
It seems to me that "calling out the troops" from Castle Bansalot didn't help.
oneshooter
Jun 2013
#143
Lol, you expecting an imminent self-delete, too? Glad I wasn't the only one. n/t
X_Digger
Jun 2013
#155
In "Concealed carry" vs "No concealed carry", CC is winning, so there's that.
Decoy of Fenris
Jun 2013
#165
Sorry, didn't see a "Lesser concealed" option. Or anyone voting for it.
Decoy of Fenris
Jun 2013
#173
I'd agree to that. Our common ground is far more common than you think, Bains.
Decoy of Fenris
Jun 2013
#181
Why don't you just delete again? It'll spare you lots of heartache. :) n/t
Decoy of Fenris
Jun 2013
#175
If I can't carry my claymore openly, why should you get to hide your gun? n/t
Scootaloo
Jun 2013
#189
I really don't know why they have such a burning desire to "prove" that they are good Dems.
CTyankee
Jun 2013
#208
Ah, now we gave it: Calling in MIRT to expunge those with whom you disagree.
Eleanors38
Jun 2013
#271
The calls went out, the trolls heeded the calls, no poll to small to sway
DainBramaged
Jun 2013
#291
"...some care about training and testing and background checks as a prerequisite."
Jenoch
Jun 2013
#266
because I believe much of the divide on guns is between urban and rural/suburban
BainsBane
Jun 2013
#269
Reminds me of the Caucasian-Canadian that purported to speak for African-Americans...
friendly_iconoclast
Jun 2013
#293